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Public school lawyers say parents have no say if public schools teach homosexuality
World Net Daily ^ | Feb. 14, 2007

Posted on 02/14/2007 10:26:32 PM PST by SeasideSparrow

Lawyers representing a Massachusetts school district named as a defendant in a parent's civil rights complaint have said teachers at Estabrook Elementary School have a "legitimate state interest" in teaching the homosexual lifestyle, and parents have no input into those decisions....

...."The state must fight 'discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation' in ways that 'do not perpetuate stereotypes,'" the lawyers for the school district argued. They also explained to the judge that, in their opinion, parents have no right to control what ideas the school presents to elementary schoolchildren, and if parents disagree with that dictate, they can take their children elsewhere.

"Once I have elected to send my child to public school, my fundamental right does not allow me to direct what my child is exposed to in the public school," said the school's lawyer....


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1 posted on 02/14/2007 10:26:35 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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Sorry, forgot to hit excerpt. Full story here:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54241


2 posted on 02/14/2007 10:28:08 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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To: SeasideSparrow

two words......

home school


3 posted on 02/14/2007 10:29:26 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: SeasideSparrow
"Once I have elected to send my child to public school, my fundamental right does not allow me to direct what my child is exposed to in the public school," said the school's lawyer....

Excuse me?! What about a government by the people, of the people and for the people? If the schools use OUR money, we have a right to speak out about how OUR schools are run.

What a putz.

4 posted on 02/14/2007 10:30:53 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Note to Hillary, Boxer and Fonda: The peas called, they want their pod back!)
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To: SeasideSparrow

They have no say except to pull their kids from the school, protest, and repeatedly sue over the curriculum; which involves issues of religion and basic decency. What is it with people who think they have to make their homosexual lifestyle mainstream...because it will never be.


5 posted on 02/14/2007 10:32:28 PM PST by xuberalles (Anti-Liberal Novelties, Titillating Tees! http://www.cafepress.com/titillatingtees)
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To: SeasideSparrow

INTREP


6 posted on 02/14/2007 10:35:14 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: SeasideSparrow
"Once I have elected to send my child to public school, my fundamental right does not allow me to direct what my child is exposed to in the public school," said the school's lawyer.

Elected? Last I heard it was compulsory. If you can't home school or send your kids to private school, you are forced to send them to public schools.

7 posted on 02/14/2007 10:48:33 PM PST by Razz Barry
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To: Calpernia; nmh

ping


8 posted on 02/14/2007 10:48:57 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: LiteKeeper; All

Think about this:

Right now, how many public school parents do you know who make any fuss at all about their kid being taught how to put a condom on while learning homosexuality is a valid lifestyle?

The socialists have become emboldened by the apathy of most parents.

They couldn't do this if parents said "enough's enough" and pulled their kids from the indoctrination daycare centers in droves.

Things are only going to get worse if large numbers of parents don't begin standing up for what's right.

Socialists train and recruit kids in public schools so that one day our Republic will be no more.

It's not far off, unless more parents wake up fast.


9 posted on 02/14/2007 10:51:38 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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To: SeasideSparrow

mega-dittoes


10 posted on 02/14/2007 11:06:43 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: SeasideSparrow
"Once I have elected to send my child to public school, my fundamental right does not allow me to direct what my child is exposed to in the public school," said the school's lawyer....

So, you have a "fundamental right", which I interpret to mean inherent and inalienable, which is not really absolute...? Excuse me, but what the ---?? Leave it to a lefty lawyer to come up with that contradiction.

11 posted on 02/14/2007 11:14:21 PM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: SeasideSparrow
I seem to recall hearing some time ago that Kalifornia started to harass the parents of homeschool kids by Demanding that the parents have a TEACHING DEGREE in order to 'qualify' to be able to teach their own kids!!
12 posted on 02/14/2007 11:16:03 PM PST by prophetic
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To: SeasideSparrow
If Government Schools were overseen by an elected Board of Indoctrination, and it was watched over by a State Indoctrination Board, and All were under the Federal Department of Indoctrination; We'd have "truth in Government".

If "Teachers & Educators" had to run for those Seats, voters might ask better questions of the candidates.
13 posted on 02/14/2007 11:16:51 PM PST by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: randog; All
That's why we conservative or rather, Constitutional Traditionalists, ought to begin calling liberals Secular Fundamentalists. Please spread the word.
14 posted on 02/14/2007 11:17:19 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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To: SeasideSparrow
It's not far off, unless more parents wake up fast.

"So what did you learn in class today, Junior?"

"I learned how to suck ----."

"That's nice--now go take your medicine and be good for mommy..."

15 posted on 02/14/2007 11:17:43 PM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: SeasideSparrow

They prohibit prayer (despite a consitutional guarantee of free exercise of religion) but they force the students to submit to indoctrination in homosexuality.


16 posted on 02/14/2007 11:20:22 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: prophetic

....where did you hear that?.....Calif does not require any such thing....


17 posted on 02/14/2007 11:26:32 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: JCEccles; All
They prohibit prayer (despite a constitutional guarantee of free exercise of religion) but they force the students to submit to indoctrination in homosexuality. Yep. So why do so many Christian parents continue putting their kids in these indoctrination camps? Curious minds want to know. Are they stupid? Can someone explain to me why most of them do it?
18 posted on 02/14/2007 11:27:05 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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To: SeasideSparrow

Thanks for posting this. Unbelievable. We have been discussing inexpensive ways to fast track kids through high school to avoid the nonsense:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315730/posts?page=84#84




19 posted on 02/14/2007 11:31:14 PM PST by Kevmo (The first labor of Huntercles: Defeating the 3-headed RINO)
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To: prophetic
One of the reasons I have not started to home school is that I don't know just how NJ or my town will react. The second reason and (its not meant to sound lame) is that all last summer I tried to teach my daughter and she just doesn't seem to respond to me as well as she does to anyone else. I am very upset over this Garden State Equality Group and its director Steven Goldstein. I am tired of the gays pushing their agenda, their propaganda etc on our children. I liked it better when they minded their own business. If they want to be gay and live their lifestyle fine. But why do they feel the rest of us have no rights? Or that they have the right to teach our children about being gay? I don't feel my child needs to be taught about diverse lifestyles or about being gay in the lower grades. I feel its up to me, as the parent to teach my child about gays and in the time when I feel its right. These people need to stop pushing their BS on the rest of us.
20 posted on 02/14/2007 11:45:27 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: SeasideSparrow

Hopefully, President Barbour, Gingrich or another conservative will convince Congress to pass a school voucher law that will enable parents to avoid the public schools that pollute their children's minds.


21 posted on 02/14/2007 11:48:21 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Haley Barbour/John Bolton 2008)
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To: pandoraou812

I homeschooled one of my children here in NJ for a year and a half - I told the school I was withdrawing him and did it. Never heard from the state. When it was time for him to go back, I contacted the school and they ran some tests on him to confirm he was at grade level.

I had the hardest time getting him to write but we did fairly well with the rest of it.

Mrs VS


22 posted on 02/14/2007 11:50:47 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Thanks for the info. I think I will teach her all summer and if it goes well I will take her out. She seems to really like her school but I have a problem with what these groups want to teach my child. She is the youngest of 6 and was born when I was 41 so I have had my fill of dealing with the school system. I guess I am more afraid I won't be a good teacher but my daughter in law to be is going to be a teacher and she is very interested in helping. Thanks again ....~P~


23 posted on 02/15/2007 12:10:30 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: pandoraou812
Lawyers representing a Massachusetts school district ... have said teachers at Estabrook Elementary School have a "legitimate state interest"...

That is the bottom line in a public government school. They are working for a state interest. Public school has been a nationalized socialist institution for a long time even though most people probably don't think of it that way.

This is exactly what will happen to all of healthcare if it is socialized. The government will run it and its main purpose for existing will be to serve the state interest not the patients.

24 posted on 02/15/2007 12:19:05 AM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: SeasideSparrow

I don't get it, they want teach our children how to be homosexuals and there's nothing we can do about it?


25 posted on 02/15/2007 12:24:50 AM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: TigersEye
I know ...I think its all gone crazy. If they socialize healthcare I think we will all be in big trouble. Shaking my head here again...I will try to teach Lela this summer if it works then to the hell with the school. Or I may look into a Lutheran school where my neighbor teaches, quite a few children go there now. However there recently was a problem with a Rev and sex abuse from years ago so I don't know if thats a good idea. ~P~
26 posted on 02/15/2007 12:33:29 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: volunbeer

Why!
Your still paying for it.

When was the last time you went to a school board meeting?


27 posted on 02/15/2007 12:44:14 AM PST by quietolong
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To: garylmoore
It sure seems like it and with our tax dollars too. I have an idea.....Why don't the gay parents who want their children taught all about diverse families and all the other bs just start their own schools for their own children and leave the rest of us who don't care to have this bs pushed on children alone.....It will never happen because they want to push their gay agenda on our children & they think they can & will get away with it. Parents have to get more involved in their child's school and join the PTO or PTA. I was shocked to find out that the PTA is behind that movie "Thats a Family". I guess having morals is a thing of the past and they feel anything goes. Its just disgusting IMO. ~P~
28 posted on 02/15/2007 12:47:18 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: SeasideSparrow
The state's lawyers make the case for home-schooling. This is actually good news that will help to accelerate the coming collapse of the publik skrool monopoly.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

29 posted on 02/15/2007 1:02:42 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeasideSparrow
Most parents don't know they can home school. And many are too lazy to send their kids to good private schools. Let's face it, America's publik skrools are little more than leftist indoctrination camps. Spare your child the ghastly fate of being "edukated" there.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

30 posted on 02/15/2007 1:05:39 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: volunbeer

sometimes one word. :D


31 posted on 02/15/2007 1:12:22 AM PST by Shimmer128 (Celebrate southerness y'all!)
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To: Razz Barry

"Once I have elected to send my child to public school, my fundamental right does not allow me to direct what my child is exposed to in the public school,"



This statement does not make sense. If he has a fundamental right, then it would allow him to direct what his child is exposed to. If he does not have a fundamental right...then who is actually the parent here????


32 posted on 02/15/2007 1:14:00 AM PST by Shimmer128 (Celebrate southerness y'all!)
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To: Shimmer128

It's no wonder so many people abuse drugs/alcohol or need antidepressants. These people make me want to bang my head against the wall. No one can this dumb.


33 posted on 02/15/2007 1:55:49 AM PST by Razz Barry
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To: Razz Barry

No one can this dumb.

You are right, so I attribute it to wickedness.


34 posted on 02/15/2007 1:57:34 AM PST by Shimmer128 (Celebrate southerness y'all!)
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To: Shimmer128
The state is in charge of your child, not you. Its values take precedence over yours. The state is the New Family.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 02/15/2007 2:02:42 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeasideSparrow

This is a disgrace. The irony is that a lot of this arose after No Child Left Behind even though it has noting to do with it. Instead, having lost a lot of control over curriculum and classroom teaching methods on basic subjects to the federal gov't, local scool boards are apparently pulling these stunts to assert their "control" where it does not belong. Any tolerance for diversity is best taught at home and not in a classroom full of 25 pre-teen or teen kids. See, e.g., Fast Times at Ridgmont High. The state and local school boads should go home now and apologize to those they serve.


36 posted on 02/15/2007 2:08:58 AM PST by achingtobe
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To: pandoraou812
Home school parents should search the internet for help and
look for home school associations in their area.
Many cities have such associations which get kids together for social activities, even sports.

Also, don't overlook Montessori training and schools.
They can be much less expensive then traditional private schools, and kids can start as young as 3 years old.

My daughter started in Montessori, then to private until
10th grade, then self educated herself from age 15.
37 posted on 02/15/2007 2:16:52 AM PST by AlexW
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To: goldstategop

I'm sorry, were you talking to me? I don't think you were talking to me, because i am in charge of my kids.
And i did not relinquish my children to the Nanny State Skool.


38 posted on 02/15/2007 2:18:02 AM PST by Shimmer128 (Celebrate southerness y'all!)
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To: Shimmer128
Yes, they not only want us to accept every vile form of perversion known, they want to force our children to deal with it and stick us with the mental/monetary cost when it all goes wrong.

Please pardon the absent "be". It's been a long night and I'm a product of public school.

39 posted on 02/15/2007 2:35:05 AM PST by Razz Barry
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To: SeasideSparrow
Another triumph of the growing muddle class.

Revoke the 19th amendment and this will fix itself within two generations paternalism will reassert its natural role.


BUMP

40 posted on 02/15/2007 2:38:52 AM PST by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: Tamar1973
Even more to the point, public school is not an elected choice, it's compulsory, unless the child attends another school approved by the state.
41 posted on 02/15/2007 2:40:51 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: pandoraou812

I agree totally... and sorry to be slightly off-topic... but it also irritates me that they call those of us who don't agree with homosexuality "homophobic".

A phobia is to be scared of something.... I am NOT a homophobic, I am in no way scared of them (ask the Sgt. above me when I was in the Air Force when he put his arm around me and said, "so, I hear you're gay" (dunno where he got that misinformation from.... and ask about the tooth he lost over it...

I just don't like them....


42 posted on 02/15/2007 2:53:53 AM PST by MrJapan
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The Rot thickens.


43 posted on 02/15/2007 3:12:07 AM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: randog

i believe it is the authority of "In Loco Parentis"


44 posted on 02/15/2007 3:28:59 AM PST by momincombatboots (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: garylmoore

I don't get it, they want teach our children how to be homosexuals and there's nothing we can do about it?

It's called socialism - a system where collective "needs" supercede an individual's rights. It encourages tyrannical misuse of power over individuals because they mean nothing to the state. Two choices, get used to it or fight it.


45 posted on 02/15/2007 3:33:03 AM PST by generalhammond (Can you lie with a straight face - auditions held now for the Rat president of the USA)
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To: Shimmer128
If he has a fundamental right, then it would allow him to direct what his child is exposed to. If he does not have a fundamental right...then who is actually the parent here??

He has a fundamental right to educate his kid the way he chooses. He does not, however, have a fundamental right to have the government teach his kid the way he chooses. When it comes to government schools, what gets taught is decided democratically. Although the parent can vote and put in his 2 cents regarding particular curriculum decisions, he doesn't have a Constitutional right to have those decisions go *his* way.

46 posted on 02/15/2007 4:44:52 AM PST by Sandy
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To: SeasideSparrow

Yea, all of you tax payers that are forced to support the school system with the money we steal from you have no say so just STFU while we raise your taxes.


47 posted on 02/15/2007 4:50:24 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: SeasideSparrow

"Once I have elected to send my child to public school, my fundamental right does not allow me to direct what my child is exposed to in the public school," said the school's lawyer.... (from the article)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6

"Elect"???. "Elect"? For many, if they don't "elect" to use the government school, police will soon be at the door.

Government school taxes are definitely not a choice that citizens can "elect" to pay or not.

OK...so...What about parents who "elect" to homeschool or privately school? What they are really doing is paying RANSOM.

What the government is doing is FORCING private school and homeschool parents to pay a freedom of conscience ( or freedom of religion) tax to RANSOM their children from the clutches of the government school.


48 posted on 02/15/2007 5:01:12 AM PST by wintertime
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To: tcostell

Even more to the point, public school is not an elected choice, it's compulsory, unless the child attends another school approved by the state.

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Private school and homeschool parents are paying RANSOM just to get their kids out of the government clutches.

And,,,you make a good point. Even private and home schools need approval by the government school gestapo.


49 posted on 02/15/2007 5:04:32 AM PST by wintertime
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To: pandoraou812

However there recently was a problem with a Rev and sex abuse from years ago so I don't know if thats a good idea. ~P~


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There is plenty of sex abuse going on in the government schools.

Teachers abuse. School workers abuse. Students abuse. And,,,teaching homosexuality is child abuse.


50 posted on 02/15/2007 5:17:46 AM PST by wintertime
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