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New York Post Front Page headline: TREASON
New York Post ^ | 2/17/07

Posted on 02/17/2007 9:18:51 AM PST by Doctor Raoul

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To: Doctor Raoul

bttt


41 posted on 02/17/2007 9:46:59 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: billbears

Actually the framers of our Constitution wanted Congress out of the business of waging war, and in doing so installed the powers as CIC to the president as absolute authority.

Nice try though.


42 posted on 02/17/2007 9:49:59 AM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: Doctor Raoul
To the NY Post, I say - Thank You. Your headline sums it up quite nicely. It IS treason, and it IS aiding the enemy.

The dims should be profoundly ashamed of themselves for this act of treachery.
43 posted on 02/17/2007 9:50:07 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Every time a jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
There is evil in this congress..

Maybe Ann Coulter and Rush can fit in a skit called " The Wall Of Shame " in the new Fox program . The list of names could start with members of this congress that have betrayed the troops . To the troops and there families please keep the faith .
44 posted on 02/17/2007 9:50:16 AM PST by heavy9
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To: kitkat; CyberAnt
Well you asked

The treason clause is a product of the awareness of the Framers of the ''numerous and dangerous excrescences'' which had disfigured the English law of treason and was therefore intended to put it beyond the power of Congress to ''extend the crime and punishment of treason.'' The debate in the Convention, remarks in the ratifying conventions, and contemporaneous public comment make clear that a restrictive concept of the crime was imposed and that ordinary partisan divisions within political society were not to be escalated by the stronger into capital charges of treason, as so often had happened in England

Here

While you may disagree with the resolution (I myself think it was spineless and Congress should take upon itself what it is supposed to do), the fact is that this falls under partisan division within political society.

Of course I suppose you want half of Congress arrested immediately and brought up on charges of 'treason' which SCOTUS would throw out after they stopped laughing.

This simply is not 'aid and comfort' (as also outlined at the link). Of course do please carry on with the regular bomb-throwing of charges that has become so rampant among 'conservatives'....

45 posted on 02/17/2007 9:53:56 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Damn straight!


46 posted on 02/17/2007 9:54:14 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: kitkat; billbears
By deliberate choice, the text of the Constitution severely limits the legal definition of "treason." It can be proved only by a "confession in open court" or from the "evidence of two witnesses."

It was the absence of both of those elements which required the acquittal of Aaron Burr in his treason trial before Judge John Marshall, even though the evidence showed that burr participated in a plot to separate the Louisiana Territory from the rest of the US by force. The Framers wanted to prevent the old English practice of convicting and executing anyone who spoke against the policies of the government for "treason."

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47 posted on 02/17/2007 9:55:27 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Please get involved: www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Dominic Harr
Can you even imagine if someone had proposed such a resolution during WWII???

Under Truman, full wartime censorship went into effect after six months of the Korean War

Correspondents could not criticize the Allies' conduct of the Korean War and could not send demoralizing dispatches. The correspondents were placed under jurisdiction of the Army and were subject to courtmartial. They could not quote officers or publish casualties without authorization.

There were many more rules, which are listed at the link.

The Dems and DBM are laughably stupid when they pretend that George W Bush squashes opposition to the Iraq War.

Democrats are the ones who attempt to silence their opponents.

48 posted on 02/17/2007 9:55:27 AM PST by syriacus (Are MURTHA and OBAMA rabid ANTI-SHI'ITES? They preferred keeping Saddam and his Sunnis in charge.)
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To: mewzilla

That's exactly right!


49 posted on 02/17/2007 9:55:27 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Doctor Raoul

WHAT HAVE WE BECOME!

I cry for my once proud nation....

50 posted on 02/17/2007 9:56:50 AM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Doctor Raoul

The Post is a rag, but a halfway sensible rag.


51 posted on 02/17/2007 9:56:56 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Doctor Raoul

You gotta love our Terrorist Congress.


52 posted on 02/17/2007 9:57:29 AM PST by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: Lovebloggers

The President's constitutional power to defend the United States and the lives of its people must be understood in light of the Founders' express intention to create a federal government "cloathed with all the powers requisite to [the] complete execution of its trust." The Federalist No. 23, at 122 (Alexander Hamilton) (Charles R. Kesler ed., 1999). Foremost among the objectives committed to that trust by the Constitution is the security of the Nation. (1) As Hamilton explained in arguing for the Constitution's adoption, because "the circumstances which may affect the public safety are [not] reducible within certain determinate limits, . . . it must be admitted, as a necessary consequence that there can be no limitation of that authority which is to provide for the defense and protection of the community in any matter essential to its efficiency." Id. (2)

"It is 'obvious and unarguable' that no governmental interest is more compelling than the security of the Nation." Haig v. Agee, 453 U.S. 280, 307 (1981) (citation omitted). Within the limits that the Constitution itself imposes, the scope and distribution of the powers to protect national security must be construed to authorize the most efficacious defense of the Nation and its interests in accordance "with the realistic purposes of the entire instrument." Lichter v. United States, 334 U.S. 742, 782 (1948). Nor is the authority to protect national security limited to actions necessary for "victories in the field." Application of Yamashita, 327 U.S. 1, 12 (1946). The authority over national security "carries with it the inherent power to guard against the immediate renewal of the conflict." Id.

We now turn to the more precise question of the President's inherent constitutional powers to use military force.

Constitutional Text. The text, structure and history of the Constitution establish that the Founders entrusted the President with the primary responsibility, and therefore the power, to use military force in situations of emergency. Article II, Section 2 states that the "President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States." U.S. Const. art. II, § 2, cl. 1. He is further vested with all of "the executive Power" and the duty to execute the laws. U.S. Const. art. II, § 1. These powers give the President broad constitutional authority to use military force in response to threats to the national security and foreign policy of the United States. (3) During the period leading up to the Constitution's ratification, the power to initiate hostilities and to control the escalation of conflict had been long understood to rest in the hands of the executive branch. (4)

By their terms, these provisions vest full control of the military forces of the United States in the President. The power of the President is at its zenith under the Constitution when the President is directing military operations of the armed forces, because the power of Commander in Chief is assigned solely to the President. It has long been the view of this Office that the Commander-in-Chief Clause is a substantive grant of authority to the President and that the scope of the President's authority to commit the armed forces to combat is very broad. See, e.g., Memorandum for Honorable Charles W. Colson, Special Counsel to the President, from William H. Rehnquist, Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel, Re: The President and the War Power: South Vietnam and the Cambodian Sanctuaries (May 22, 1970) (the "Rehnquist Memo"). The President's complete discretion in exercising the Commander-in-Chief power has also been recognized by the courts. In the Prize Cases, 67 U.S. (2 Black) 635, 670 (1862), for example, the Court explained that, whether the President "in fulfilling his duties as Commander in Chief" had met with a situation justifying treating the southern States as belligerents and instituting a blockade, was a question "to be decided by him" and which the Court could not question, but must leave to "the political department of the Government to which this power was entrusted." (5)

Some commentators have read the constitutional text differently. They argue that the vesting of the power to declare war gives Congress the sole authority to decide whether to make war. (6) This view misreads the constitutional text and misunderstands the nature of a declaration of war. Declaring war is not tantamount to making war - indeed, the Constitutional Convention specifically amended the working draft of the Constitution that had given Congress the power to make war. An earlier draft of the Constitution had given to Congress the power to "make" war. When it took up this clause on August 17, 1787, the Convention voted to change the clause from "make" to "declare." 2 The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, at 318-19 (Max Farrand ed., rev. ed. 1966) (1911). A supporter of the change argued that it would "leav[e] to the Executive the power to repel sudden attacks." Id. at 318. Further, other elements of the Constitution describe "engaging" in war, which demonstrates that the Framers understood making and engaging in war to be broader than simply "declaring" war. See U.S. Const. art. I, § 10, cl. 3 ("No State shall, without the Consent of Congress . . . engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."). A State constitution at the time of the ratification included provisions that prohibited the governor from "making" war without legislative approval, S.C. Const. art. XXVI (1776), reprinted in 6 The Federal and State Constitutions 3247 (Francis Newton Thorpe ed., 1909). (7) If the Framers had wanted to require congressional consent before the initiation of military hostilities, they knew how to write such provisions.

Finally, the Framing generation well understood that declarations of war were obsolete. Not all forms of hostilities rose to the level of a declared war: during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, Great Britain and colonial America waged numerous conflicts against other states without an official declaration of war. (8) As Alexander Hamilton observed during the ratification, "the ceremony of a formal denunciation of war has of late fallen into disuse." The Federalist No. 25, at 133 (Alexander Hamilton). Instead of serving as an authorization to begin hostilities, a declaration of war was only necessary to "perfect" a conflict under international law. A declaration served to fully transform the international legal relationship between two states from one of peace to one of war. See 1 William Blackstone, Commentaries *249-50. Given this context, it is clear that Congress's power to declare war does not constrain the President's independent and plenary constitutional authority over the use of military force.

Constitutional Structure. Our reading of the text is reinforced by analysis of the constitutional structure. First, it is clear that the Constitution secures all federal executive power in the President to ensure a unity in purpose and energy in action. "Decision, activity, secrecy, and dispatch will generally characterize the proceedings of one man in a much more eminent degree than the proceedings of any greater number." The Federalist No. 70, at 392 (Alexander Hamilton). The centralization of authority in the President alone is particularly crucial in matters of national defense, war, and foreign policy, where a unitary executive can evaluate threats, consider policy choices, and mobilize national resources with a speed and energy that is far superior to any other branch. As Hamilton noted, "Energy in the executive is a leading character in the definition of good government. It is essential to the protection of the community against foreign attacks." Id. at 391. This is no less true in war. "Of all the cares or concerns of government, the direction of war most peculiarly demands those qualities which distinguish the exercise of power by a single hand." Id. No. 74, at 415 (Alexander Hamilton). (9)

Second, the Constitution makes clear that the process used for conducting military hostilities is different from other government decisionmaking. In the area of domestic legislation, the Constitution creates a detailed, finely wrought procedure in which Congress plays the central role. In foreign affairs, however, the Constitution does not establish a mandatory, detailed, Congress-driven procedure for taking action. Rather, the Constitution vests the two branches with different powers - the President as Commander in Chief, Congress with control over funding and declaring war - without requiring that they follow a specific process in making war. By establishing this framework, the Framers expected that the process for warmaking would be far more flexible, and capable of quicker, more decisive action, than the legislative process. Thus, the President may use his Commander-in-Chief and executive powers to use military force to protect the Nation, subject to congressional appropriations and control over domestic legislation.

Third, the constitutional structure requires that any ambiguities in the allocation of a power that is executive in nature - such as the power to conduct military hostilities - must be resolved in favor of the executive branch. Article II, section 1 provides that "[t]he executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States." U.S. Const. art. II, § 1. By contrast, Article I's Vesting Clause gives Congress only the powers "herein granted." Id. art. I, § 1. This difference in language indicates that Congress's legislative powers are limited to the list enumerated in Article I, section 8, while the President's powers include inherent executive powers that are unenumerated in the Constitution. To be sure, Article II lists specifically enumerated powers in addition to the Vesting Clause, and some have argued that this limits the "executive Power" granted in the Vesting Clause to the powers on that list. But the purpose of the enumeration of executive powers in Article II was not to define and cabin the grant in the Vesting Clause. Rather, the Framers unbundled some plenary powers that had traditionally been regarded as "executive," assigning elements of those powers to Congress in Article I, while expressly reserving other elements as enumerated executive powers in Article II. So, for example, the King's traditional power to declare war was given to Congress under Article I, while the Commander-in-Chief authority was expressly reserved to the President in Article II. Further, the Framers altered other plenary powers of the King, such as treaties and appointments, assigning the Senate a share in them in Article II itself. (10) Thus, the enumeration in Article II marks the points at which several traditional executive powers were diluted or reallocated. Any other, unenumerated executive powers, however, were conveyed to the President by the Vesting Clause.

There can be little doubt that the decision to deploy military force is "executive" in nature, and was traditionally so regarded. It calls for action and energy in execution, rather than the deliberate formulation of rules to govern the conduct of private individuals. Moreover, the Framers understood it to be an attribute of the executive. "The direction of war implies the direction of the common strength," wrote Alexander Hamilton, "and the power of directing and employing the common strength forms a usual and essential part in the definition of the executive authority." The Federalist No. 74, at 415 (Alexander Hamilton). As a result, to the extent that the constitutional text does not explicitly allocate the power to initiate military hostilities to a particular branch, the Vesting Clause provides that it remain among the President's unenumerated powers.

Fourth, depriving the President of the power to decide when to use military force would disrupt the basic constitutional framework of foreign relations. From the very beginnings of the Republic, the vesting of the executive, Commander-in-Chief, and treaty powers in the executive branch has been understood to grant the President plenary control over the conduct of foreign relations. As Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson observed during the first Washington Administration: "the constitution has divided the powers of government into three branches [and] has declared that the executive powers shall be vested in the president, submitting only special articles of it to a negative by the senate." Due to this structure, Jefferson continued, "the transaction of business with foreign nations is executive altogether; it belongs, then, to the head of that department, except as to such portions of it as are specially submitted to the senate. Exceptions are to be construed strictly." Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on the Powers of the Senate (1790), reprinted in 5 The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, at 161 (Paul L. Ford ed., 1895). In defending President Washington's authority to issue the Neutrality Proclamation, Alexander Hamilton came to the same interpretation of the President's foreign affairs powers. According to Hamilton, Article II "ought . . . to be considered as intended . . . to specify and regulate the principal articles implied in the definition of Executive Power; leaving the rest to flow from the general grant of that power." Alexander Hamilton, Pacificus No. 1 (1793), reprinted in 15 The Papers of Alexander Hamilton, at 33, 39 (Harold C. Syrett et al. eds., 1969). As future Chief Justice John Marshall famously declared a few years later, "The President is the sole organ of the nation in its external relations, and its sole representative with foreign nations. . . . The [executive] department . . . is entrusted with the whole foreign intercourse of the nation . . . ." 10 Annals of Cong. 613-14 (1800). Given the agreement of Jefferson, Hamilton, and Marshall, it has not been difficult for the executive branch consistently to assert the President's plenary authority in foreign affairs ever since.

In the relatively few occasions where it has addressed foreign affairs, the Supreme Court has agreed with the executive branch's consistent interpretation. Conducting foreign affairs and protecting the national security are, as the Supreme Court has observed, "'central' Presidential domains." Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 800, 812 n.19 (1982). The President's constitutional primacy flows from both his unique position in the constitutional structure, and from the specific grants of authority in Article II that make the President both the Chief Executive of the Nation and the Commander in Chief. See Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731, 749-50 (1982). Due to the President's constitutionally superior position, the Supreme Court has consistently "recognized 'the generally accepted view that foreign policy [is] the province and responsibility of the Executive.'" Department of the Navy v. Egan, 484 U.S. 518, 529 (1988) (quoting Haig v. Agee, 453 U.S. at 293-94). "The Founders in their wisdom made [the President] not only the Commander-in-Chief but also the guiding organ in the conduct of our foreign affairs," possessing "vast powers in relation to the outside world." Ludecke v. Watkins, 335 U.S. 160, 173 (1948). This foreign affairs power is exclusive: it is "the very delicate, plenary and exclusive power of the President as sole organ of the federal government in the field of international relations - a power which does not require as a basis for its exercise an act of Congress." United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp., 299 U.S. 304, 320 (1936).

Conducting military hostilities is a central tool for the exercise of the President's plenary control over the conduct of foreign policy. There can be no doubt that the use of force protects the Nation's security and helps it achieve its foreign policy goals. Construing the Constitution to grant such power to another branch could prevent the President from exercising his core constitutional responsibilities in foreign affairs. Even in the cases in which the Supreme Court has limited executive authority, it has also emphasized that we should not construe legislative prerogatives to prevent the executive branch "from accomplishing its constitutionally assigned functions." Nixon v. Administrator of General Servs., 433 U.S. 425, 443 (1977).

http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/warpowers925.htm


53 posted on 02/17/2007 9:58:20 AM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: Lancey Howard

What's a Wawa?


54 posted on 02/17/2007 9:59:26 AM PST by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Are Murtha and Obama anti-Shi'ites? Why do Murtha and Obama prefer keeping Shi'ites under the jackbooted heel of Sunnis like Saddam and his sons?
55 posted on 02/17/2007 9:59:46 AM PST by syriacus (Are MURTHA and OBAMA rabid ANTI-SHI'ITES? They preferred keeping Saddam and his Sunnis in charge.)
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To: billbears
By legal definition, what the House of Representatives did yesterday doesn't even begin to approach the definition of treason.

Really?

US Constitution
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Fortunately for the Rats, we live in a post-treason era.

56 posted on 02/17/2007 10:00:17 AM PST by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: billbears

Interesting .. you are NOT USING THE STATEMENT IN THE CONSTITUTION to support your claim that you're right.

That's very interesting.

As for "giving aid and comfort" - we have our enemies' words which support what the dems have done with the "resolution". If that's not "aid and comfort" .. I can only imagine your definition.


57 posted on 02/17/2007 10:00:51 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Very pleased to learn that, Ronnie.


58 posted on 02/17/2007 10:01:13 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: Lovebloggers
Actually the framers of our Constitution wanted Congress out of the business of waging war, and in doing so installed the powers as CIC to the president as absolute authority. Nice try though.

That is a particularly interesting POV when one reads the notes from the Constitutional Convention of Aug 17 and June 18. Also when you realize that the final Constitution gave Congress the right to declare war and the right to fund the war, they had quite a bit of power. Guess that bit slipped by the Framers.....

59 posted on 02/17/2007 10:02:17 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: CyberAnt

Why don't you look to the decisions by SCOTUS I provided? Seeing as they are in place to determine the intent (after 1803) I assume they would know what is defined by 'aid and comfort' better than you or the NY Post


60 posted on 02/17/2007 10:04:24 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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