[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

I agree!

We had a popular Conservative as POTUSA.
Next was a one term moderate.
Next was a two term traitor, who some people think was conservative.
Next was a two term moderate that squeaked by because the democrats nominees were very bad.
Now some people want a far left winger as the Republican nominee that most real democrats can beat because they can run to the right of IT.

[geopyg]

"What say you?"


Jim Robinson for President!!!



Seriously, thank you for a very reasoned and major-item list.

[ASA Vet]

How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash?

According to your recent poll only 14.1% of members support Rino Rudy.

Thank you for once again reminding FReepers that your site is intended to be conservative.

[Mobile Vulgus]

Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser.

EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

Make anti-immigration a major part of your platform and you are doomed.

I am not saying avoid the issue and agree with your goals of strengthening the border, but I am telling you if you make it in ANY way a major focus you lose.

[OwenKellogg]

I'm with you, Jim. No compromise!

[Mobile Vulgus]

... oh and I forgot to say, you'll lose EVERY big state with many of the things on that platform. Without big states you lose.

Smaller govt is fine and so are lower taxes. Win the war is good. But all the anti-immigrant talk will sink you. It has already been proven. America is not quite mad enough to make anti-immigration a populist issue.

And conservatives alone CANNOT win an election.

[garylmoore]

Loved 1 through 12, sent this post to everybody on my address list. Keep up the good work Jim.

[AZRepublican]

Regarding #10: Expand the economy using foreign labor? More NAFTA like treaties?

[Lurker]

I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton

They're out in force, that's for sure.

If we have no faith in our own conservative principles and values why do we call ourselves conservatives?

A fair question that. Why don't you pose it to a few of Madame Gulianis supporters?

How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash?

Far too many. Some of them are becoming more than just a bit tiresome.

That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.

Rudy isn't just 'socially liberal'. And he isn't the only one who can beat Hillary. She's essentially unelectable Jim. Nearly 40% of the people who were asked in a recent poll said they wouldn't vote for her under any circumstances.

We cannot advance conservatism by running a social liberal for the office of chief executive.

But but but Jim...he can win! And winning is the mostest importantest thing of all dontchaknow. Those silly principles thingies are like so last year.

I'd like to build a winning conservative platform with a dozen or so hard hitting no nonsense points that we can all agree on that would help us focus on our best potential primary nominee and one that can defeat Hillary, et al, in the general.

I like it but I think we can get it down to less than 10.

1.Win the war!

Nuff said here.

2.Secure the nation!
3.Secure the borders!
4.Stop the illegal aliens!

I think you can roll all this into "Secure The Borders".

5.Rebuild the military!

Yep.

6.Deal with growing threats! Iran, Syria, North Korea, China, (and an increasingly Muslim Russia and Europe?)!

Yep.

7.Cut government!
8.Cut spending!
9.Cut taxes!

Amen, Amen, Amen.

10.Allow the free economy to expand!

There's virtually no chance of any of these four if Rudy is elected. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

11.Return control of states issues to the states!

The 9th and 10th Amendments are dead, Jim. But it's nice to see that someone actually remembers to put flowers on their graves.

12.Defend life, liberty, property and individual rights!

How about 'support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic'. Maybe they could swear an oath or something when they take office.

L

[familyop]

"I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton. That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.

How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash?"

...next to none. The Giuliani campaign is virtually through, unless, maybe, he switches to Democrat registration really soon. Almost everyone will know about his political positions.

Calling Giuliani on his many lies
World Net Daily ^ | 19 February 2007 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 02/19/2007 12:01:25 AM PST by Spiff

[Just A Nobody]

Good post! I was just telling someone tonight that yours is a "conservative" site.
Thank you for pointing this out once again!

I say we catch them at the borders and deport them.

I say we do not allow them to cross the border in the first place!!!

P.S. DUNCAN HUNTER

[Halgr]

The war will be our downfall....I don't think we can "Win" it....Islam and the Arabs can't or won't embrace what it takes to have a stable country.

[jobim]

Excellent post, Jim!

I agree with every point you make. I would, for the sake of brevity, boil them down for soundbite status thusly:

1)strength against Islamic terrorism: win the Iraq war, and clear statement of defense against this menace everywhere
2)impregnable borders: close them, and then deal with illegal immigration, including the US employees
3)oppose abortion, homosexual marriage, stem cell research, assisted suicide: stand firmly with Christian principles - PRO-FAMILY
4)shrink the federal government: especially in education and the myriad other programs

Is there not a Republican candidate who can run successfully on these issues?

[bad company]

That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican

I am not a republican, I am a conservative. I would vote for Zell Miller as a democrat before I'd vote for any of the current media appointed republican front runners.

[familyop]

I agree with your points, BTW.

[Lurker]

And you forgot to post this in "Breaking News".

L

[endthematrix]

Get out of the UN and other entangling foreign involvements.

If that "Allow the free economy to expand" platform would allow the United States to unilaterally enter agreements outside of the globalist frameworks we are now in, I'm for it. The "level playing field" mantra is just globalist crap.

[CutePuppy]

What say you?

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I'd say that liberals / socialists are much better at realizing the value and playing political psy-ops than conservatives... When libs are really in trouble and desperate and need a Hail Mary play they really go out full tilt and crank up psy-ops using their Weapons of Mass Distractions [al-Media], and don't stop unless particular method or story stops working, then move on to something new until they develop story into full-blown "crisis" that demands immediate new taxes and giving up some control to government.

One way they do it is by turning us against each other with phony stories, quaotes, headlines or interpretations of motives or ideas.

Until we can counteract their psy-ops we are not going to win anything at home or in foreign policy. We need people at the top who can go over the heads and noise of the al-Media and explain the ideas and politics to populace in a way that they can understand and get excited about.

[HarmlessLovableFuzzball]

..it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton..

Hogwash. Conservatism always wins when it is tried. It's a given. (Conservative) candidates lose only when they compromise their principles in a futile attempt to appease liberals, or when they are 'out conservatived' by the other side in an attempt to fool the American people.

I am not surprised you heard that from a supporter of Giuliani. After all, his camp like a few others, is trying to redefine conservatism to fit his position on the issues. Limbaugh already discussed that last week, amidst the hacking and coughing.

[rogue yam]

Hi Jim. Thanks for this thread.

I've been saying all along that the 2008 race represents the best opportunity since 1980 for conservatism. This is because Hillary! has the 'Rat nomination sewn up and yet she is profoundly beatable.

The MSM is in full spin mode: Hillary is moderate, Obama is dreamy, the GOP race is a choice between various RINOs, etc. This is all lies.

Running for President (and being President) is very difficult, and it is easy for the MSM to dismiss Rep. Hunter, Sen Brownback, or whoever, saying that they don't have the "stature" to win. Yet in the MSM's mind this stature is something entirely in their hands to bestow however they wish! Why does Obama suddenly have more stature than Sen. Brownback or Rep. Hunter? He doesn't!

The MSM is attempting to stampede us into settling for one of the three MSM-appointed RINOs (McCain, Rudy, Mitt). And sure, there are important differences among them and at least one or two might not be disastrous. But the idea that these are the only three people who stand a chance against Hillary! is 'Rat propaganda designed to get us to abandon at the get-go any attempt to nominate a true conservative. I say we should not let the leftists psyche us out, but rather we should support a good, solid rock-ribbed conservative now, and if he gets beat when the votes start coming in in the first primaries a year from now , well we can compromise then as necessary.

Our biggest mistake would be to take our true conservatives off the table now and spend the next year choosing from among RINOs. This amounts to negotiating with ourselves and giving the left unforced concessions. Let's not do it!

We don't need to know who our nominee is for another 14-17 months. Let's not get suckered into a quick, poor choice. Instead, let's let Rep. Hunter, Sen. Brownback, Newt Gingrich, and whoever else go around the country presenting themselves and their ideas while we calmly choose from among our candidates on the basis of our true core values.