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To: Jim Robinson

Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser.

EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

Make anti-immigration a major part of your platform and you are doomed.

I am not saying avoid the issue and agree with your goals of strengthening the border, but I am telling you if you make it in ANY way a major focus you lose.


5 posted on 02/19/2007 1:23:05 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser.

rhet·o·ric –noun
1. (in writing or speech) the undue use of exaggeration or display; bombast.


Speaking of rhetoric: The phrase "anti-immigrant"--They are the ones illegally invading OUR country!

11 posted on 02/19/2007 1:30:18 AM PST by joseph20
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To: Mobile Vulgus
EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

Wrong.

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24 posted on 02/19/2007 1:37:36 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

Factualy incorrect! Tom Tancredo

25 posted on 02/19/2007 1:38:05 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser.

Please be clear. Securing the border is not anti-immigrant. You could say it's anti-illegal-alien. This is not a minor distinction.

I think most Americans are pro-immigrant like me, and most want our borders secure as I do.

71 posted on 02/19/2007 3:21:22 AM PST by FreePoster
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To: Mobile Vulgus
**** Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser. EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced. Make anti-immigration a major part of your platform and you are doomed. ****

Hogwash. A nice canard from the Open Border Lobby - but utter hogwash.

The Great Illegal Immigration Myth of '06

I forgot, did I say -- HOGWASH.

106 posted on 02/19/2007 5:21:10 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a 'Right Wing Extremist'.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Make anti-immigration a major part of your platform and you are doomed.

Anti-immigration?? I hate it when the open borders bunch fraudulently call it "anti-immigration" A secure border has nothing to do with anti-immigration. The LEGAL immigration of persons who wish to assimilate and become citizens of the United States works just fine with a secure border. It just makes things more difficult for smugglers, identity thieves, terrorists, racist invaders and other criminals to get in.

115 posted on 02/19/2007 6:05:12 AM PST by Colorado Doug
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To: Mobile Vulgus; Jim Robinson
Make anti-immigration a major part of your platform and you are doomed.

exactly right.

Roe versus Wade must be overturned, Abortion decided state by state. McCain even now realizes that. The 10 points should have it prominate on the list.

IMO it's not Muslim Russia and Europe, it's Muslim Europe and Russia. Part of a new ME policy should be rapprochement with Christian Russia. Our present policy in the Balkans and on Chechnya, should be reversed. It has forced Russia to make bad choices that can be reversed.

High on the list should be straight talk on this being a religious war. Islamists Mullahs, for 1400 years have preached a mission statement , now embedded in their textbooks, that is now The major problem

134 posted on 02/19/2007 6:33:09 AM PST by duckln
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To: Mobile Vulgus
EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

That's amusing. In Santorum's campaign here in PA in 2006, Casey ran commercials blasting Rick for being "soft" on illegal immigration. Now, why would he do that if the issue had no potency?
166 posted on 02/19/2007 7:52:49 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope" -Duncan Hunter)
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To: Mobile Vulgus; Jim Robinson
Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser.

ROCHESTER, N.Y., Feb. 12 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --
A recent Harris Poll asked a cross-section of U.S. adults to say how likely they think it is that various possible events would be "a major threat to the United States in the next five years."

* 55 percent of all adults think it is extremely or very likely that a large number of illegal immigrants coming into this country would be a threat!

TABLE 1

LIKELIHOOD THAT 15 POSSIBLE EVENTS WILL BE MAJOR THREAT TO U.S. IN NEXT FIVE YEARS

"There are a number of possible threats that the U.S. might face. How likely do you think the following will be a major threat to the U.S. in the next 5 years?"

Base: All Adults

 

Extremely/Very Likely (NET)

Extremely Likely

Very Likely

Likely

Somewhat Likely

Not at All Likely

Not at All Familiar with This

%

%

%

%

%

%

%

A large number of illegal immigrants come into the country

55

37

18

20

14

7

4

A significant loss of jobs to foreign countries

52

28

23

20

18

8

2

A significant natural disaster destroys large areas of a major city

43

21

22

23

24

8

3

Energy needs significantly exceed energy supplies

40

17

23

23

22

11

5

Significant trade imbalances lead to foreign ownership of the country's debts and property

35

15

20

21

24

12

9

Terrorists launch a number of attacks against airplanes

26

10

16

21

35

15

3

The national government becomes unable to borrow money due to a huge debt load

26

10

16

17

25

26

5

The country is attacked with biological weapons

24

8

16

20

38

15

3

A significant rise in the level of the oceans

23

8

16

21

25

22

8

Major riots by groups within this country

20

8

12

23

33

22

3

A major world war occurs involving most industrialized nations

15

7

7

22

30

29

4

The banking system experiences a major financial collapse

14

6

8

15

24

42

5

A city within the country is attacked with a nuclear weapon

14

3

11

12

35

35

3

A large scale avian flu epidemic

11

3

9

21

34

28

5

A major stock market crash occurs

11

4

6

23

35

24

7

Note: Totals may not add to 100% because of rounding.

TABLE 2

POSSIBLE THREATS SEEN AS EXTREMELY OR VERY LIKELY ― BY PARTY

"There are a number of possible threats that the U.S. might face. How likely do you think the following will be a major threat to the U.S. in the next 5 years?"

Base: All Adults

 

Total

Party

Republican

Democrat

Independent

%

%

%

%

A large number of illegal immigrants come into the country

55

73

43

57

A significant loss of jobs to foreign countries

52

42

57

54

A significant natural disaster destroys large areas of a major city

43

39

46

45

Energy needs significantly exceed energy supplies

40

32

41

42

Significant trade imbalances lead to foreign ownership of the

country's debts and property

35

32

32

44

Terrorists launch a number of attacks against airplanes

26

21

27

31

The national government becomes unable to borrow money

due to a huge debt load

26

12

35

25

The country is attacked with biological weapons

24

17

29

24

A significant rise in the level of the oceans

23

11

31

23

Major riots by groups within this country

20

16

23

20

A major world war occurs involving most industrialized nations

15

17

16

12

The banking system experiences a major financial collapse

14

9

14

13

A city within the country is attacked with a nuclear weapon

14

14

14

15

A large scale avian flu epidemic

11

8

15

11

A major stock market crash occurs

11

5

10

17

Methodology:
This Harris Poll (HarrisInteractive) was conducted online within the United States between January 5 and 12, 2007, among 1,508 adults (aged 18 and over).
212 posted on 02/19/2007 10:48:52 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: Mobile Vulgus
EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

As far as I know, Tom Tancredo is still in the house, and he's all over that issue 24-7.

224 posted on 02/19/2007 11:31:21 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Republican primary field SUCKS!!!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser. EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

How about this for a policy--tell me who would disagree with it: People who attempt to obey the law should be treated better than those who flout it.

Frankly, I don't care whether immigration is easy or difficult, provided that it's made easier for those who try to do things legally than for those who break in.

IMHO, if a candidate would put things in those terms, I think they should get a lot of support.

272 posted on 02/19/2007 4:56:33 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced. >>>

immigration had nothing to do with it. the people sent bush, the repbulicant's and congress a message,they were dissatisfied with the drawn-out war and by "staying the course"
276 posted on 02/19/2007 6:12:41 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

That's a myth the pro-illegal alien lobby started and people swallowed without checking into the truth. The facts are:
• 11.5% of all Republican seats in Congress were lost as Democrats took back control of Congress
• But only 6.7% of the Members of Tancredo's Immigration Reform Caucus lost their seats.

Loss of Election by Republicans Based on Their Immigration-Reduction Grade of That Congress
• 9.6% with an A grade lost
• 25.0% with an F grade lost
• 9.2% with a B grade lost
• 6.4% with a C grade lost
• 9.5% with a D grade lost

322 posted on 02/19/2007 10:01:42 PM PST by SUSSA
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Bookmark for later.
508 posted on 05/21/2007 3:37:57 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Maybe. Maybe it has never been argued or explained correctly. Maybe if the purpose of immigration is explained in the sense that it is not meant solely to keep certain people out of the country but certain things out of the country. Like disease, plants, insects, animals, etc. Also, explain border security as a means to protect the nation. As long as Repubs/conservatives are forced into the trap of trying to explain away they are not racist, than I agree - immigration will be a loser platform.


515 posted on 05/21/2007 5:08:29 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Make anti-immigration a major part of your platform and you are doomed.

I so totally disagree. In fact in the privacy of the voting booth it's the SINGLE issue that is almost guaranteed to gather a lot of votes from grassroots working man democrats. I'm not speaking of the "activist" sort of radicals, but the farmers and the factory workers and carpenters that are seeing their wages decreased. Even wealthy upper class RATs are terrified of the surge in crime brought about by the illegals. They may have to stay quiet on the stage of their party but in the privacy of the voting booth it's another matter. Kind of like the Reagan landslide in 1980. On this single issue alone (Sean Hannity said this) Tom Tancredo could become President.

516 posted on 05/21/2007 5:12:03 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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Not so, only 1 candidate who run with anti-illegals as their major point LOST from what I can remember. (J.D. Hayworth)


577 posted on 05/21/2007 10:05:23 AM PDT by infidel29 (...but Al, if my child had a fever I wouldn't go to a bureaucrat for the diagnosis.)
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Not true. The Dems who won were also against illegal immigration IIRC. It is a lie that the RNC, the MSM and the WH either believe or perpetuate.


591 posted on 05/21/2007 11:06:37 AM PDT by PghBaldy (It's not a "DREAM." It's a NIGHTMARE. It's amnesty by another name.)
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>> Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser. EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced. <<

Oh really? Reality would beg to differ. Last November, I worked on the campaign of a state Senator who ran a campaign around "anti (ILLEGAL) immigrat rhetoric", the Democrats threw everything they could at him and recruited the "perfect" candidate (female, minority, disabled, Iraq war vet) and he pulled through and is on Capitol Hill today. Here's a small sample of freshmen members of Congress who WON in 2006 while making "get tough on illegal aliens and secure the borders" a centerpiece of their campaign:


Senator Bob Corker (R-TN)


Congressman Brian Bilbray (R-CA)


Congressman Peter Roskam (R-IL)


Congressman Bill Sali (R-ID)


Congressman Vern Buchanan (R-FL)


Congressman Doug Lamborn (R-CO)


Congressman Heath Shuler (D-NC)


Congressman Tim Walberg (R-MI)

Mobile Vulgus, this FACT has been brought up on FR over and over again. Don't you open borders RINOs get tired of repeating the same LIES?

629 posted on 05/21/2007 7:15:29 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Don't blame Illinois for Pelosi, we elected ROSKAM)
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"Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser. EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

Same with anti-abortion.

632 posted on 05/21/2007 9:13:43 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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