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Two Chicago men arrested on charges of planning, recruiting for "violent jihad"
OHIO.COM ^ | Feb. 21, 2007 | MIKE ROBINSON

Posted on 02/21/2007 7:59:05 PM PST by do the dhue

CHICAGO - Two Chicago-area cousins were arrested Wednesday on federal charges out of Cleveland accusing them of conspiring to wage holy war against Americans overseas, including U.S. military forces in Iraq.

Zubair A. Ahmed, 27, of suburban North Chicago, and Khaleel Ahmed, 26, of Chicago, were accused along with three other men from the Toledo, Ohio, area who already had been under indictment on charges of plotting acts of terrorism against Americans overseas.

The fresh indictment returned by a grand jury in Cleveland added the two Chicago-area men to the roster of defendants and brought additional charges against the three men from Ohio.

The cousins, both American citizens, appeared briefly in Chicago before U.S. Magistrate Judge Geraldine Soat Brown, who ordered them sent to Ohio for arraignment. Prosecutors asked her to order them held in custody and sent to Ohio as federal prisoners. Defense attorneys asked for bond.

A hearing on whether to permit bond was set for 2:30 p.m. Monday.

Defense attorneys Gerald Collins and Brian Sieve said they had just met the two defendants, knew little about them and had no comment on the case.

The indictment claims that, between June 2004 and February 2006, the cousins and the other three men - Mohammad Zaki Amawi, 27, and Marwan Othman El-Hindi, 42, both formerly of Toledo, Ohio, and Wassim I. Mazloum, 22, formerly of Sylvania, Ohio - conspired to "kill or maim persons in locations outside of the United States, to including U.S. armed forces personnel serving in Iraq."

The conspiracy allegedly included finding fresh recruits to commit terrorist acts and seeking out sites for training in firearms, hand-to-hand combat and the use of explosives. The men also allegedly agreed to raise funds for "jihad training" and download Internet information on improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

A shadowy figure was described in the indictment only as the trainer, a U.S. citizen with a military background. The indictment said the two cousins met with the trainer in July 2004 and discussed sniper tactics, counter-surveillance techniques and the use of heavy machine guns.

The three Ohio men, currently in federal custody, were charged in the original indictment with conspiring to provide material support to terrorists. Amawi was also charged with verbally threatening the president of the United States and unlawful distribution of a video concerning suicide bomber vests.

Wednesday's indictment charged Amawi with distributing information about explosive chemicals downloaded from the Internet and charged El-Hindi with distributing information about explosives and making false statements to officials.

The five men face a maximum penalty of life in prison if convicted of conspiring to kill Americans overseas, according to federal prosecutors.

Meanwhile, prosecutors in Cleveland said a separate indictment was returned charging Bilal Mazloum, 22, of Sylvania, Ohio, brother of Wassim I. Mazloum, with making a false statement to federal agents.

In addition, El-Hindi and Ashraf Zaim, 39, of Ottawa Hills, Ohio, are charged in a separate, seven-count indictment with conspiring to commit theft of public funds, making false statements and wire fraud in connection with a $40,000 federal grant they obtained to operate clinics for low-income taxpayers.

The government contends that no clinics were ever operated.


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American citizens? On paper maybe, but not in their heart.
1 posted on 02/21/2007 7:59:09 PM PST by do the dhue
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To: do the dhue

It is really, really time for immigration reform. Honestly, the election of Sarkozy could be a very good thing for the US.


2 posted on 02/21/2007 8:00:52 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress

3 posted on 02/21/2007 8:05:13 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: do the dhue

Citizenship is given far too freely in this country, and so, predictably, is esteemed far too lightly. I think it's one of the Founding Fathers' biggest oversights, that the Constitution contains no provision for the forfeiture of citizenship.


4 posted on 02/21/2007 8:05:30 PM PST by The Pack Knight (If the election was held today, I'd be very surprised.)
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To: do the dhue

reverse jihad is the only solution

iranian exploding buses and collapsing mosques are the only wake-up calls that communicate we're serious


5 posted on 02/21/2007 8:06:17 PM PST by Enduring Freedom (what does al qaeda and bush have in common? caves)
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To: do the dhue

Look...these people are so insane that these mothers could theoretically come here, about to give birth, in order to give birth here making their children automatic U.S. citizens. We need to amend the Constitution so that just being born here in the U.S. does not make you a citizen. You should have to be born here to parents who are citizens. This would also stop the pregnant mothers illegally crossing the border just to give birth, so their children can bring them over. Time to act. This war is against people who have the patience to wait the 20 years until these kids are old enough to blow themselves up. Couple that with the Left's (and ACLU's) insistence that we outlaw racial profiling....in my eyes we are asking to be attacked again.


6 posted on 02/21/2007 8:08:03 PM PST by calinative31 (Elect Duncan Hunter!!)
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To: CheyennePress

It's a bit late for immigration reform. The damage has been done and the bad guys are already here.


7 posted on 02/21/2007 8:08:31 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: calinative31

"We need to amend the Constitution so that just being born here in the U.S. does not make you a citizen."

I agree with you on this, and so would many others. But don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.


8 posted on 02/21/2007 8:16:16 PM PST by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Mr. Mojo

That map of the Islamic Terrorist Network in America is not a mirror image of the Blue State Red State pattern but it's awfully darn close!!

People who hate the U.S., from different angles, for different reasons.


9 posted on 02/21/2007 8:16:20 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: do the dhue

Bears fans, no doubt...


10 posted on 02/21/2007 8:17:09 PM PST by Redbob
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To: calinative31
We need to amend the Constitution so that just being born here in the U.S. does not make you a citizen.

Hear hear.

....and repeal the Immigration Act of 1965.

11 posted on 02/21/2007 8:19:15 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Redbob

You suck


12 posted on 02/21/2007 8:20:20 PM PST by ChiTownBearFan ("To see the world is to love America all the more"-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: do the dhue

Damn. Was hoping that one of them was a Daley.


13 posted on 02/21/2007 8:20:42 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Rembrandt

Looks to me like there are way more in the Red States


14 posted on 02/21/2007 8:22:46 PM PST by ChiTownBearFan ("To see the world is to love America all the more"-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Bogtrotter52

I know that there is a fat chance of it passing, but, I would love to see Congress on the record about an issue like this. Who (besides the usual suspects) could be against it? It's not racist.....it is simply a method of survival. Why should you be able to be here on vacation, have a child, and that child has automatic dual citizenship? Anyone here illegally should have no rights whatsoever, much less the right to perpetuate themselves in this country just by having children. It's not a fence, it is applied across the board, so the issue of race would be a non-issue. America needs to start standing up for its own rights and sovereignty.


15 posted on 02/21/2007 8:23:58 PM PST by calinative31 (Elect Duncan Hunter!!)
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To: do the dhue

Barack HUSSEIN Obama?


16 posted on 02/21/2007 8:28:57 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: ChiTownBearFan
Looks to me like there are way more in the Red States

That's because the blue states were conquered without firing a shot.
17 posted on 02/21/2007 8:36:17 PM PST by Arcy
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To: The Pack Knight
This is treason. We need serious penalties for treason. I would say death, but I don't like the way we put people to death today. I put my dog to sleep, not criminals.

Since, they probably won't let us fry them like a bug in a big bug zapper, then let them rot in a cell filled with fresh pig shiite. Pig shiite made fresh from the pigs who live in the traitors cell.
18 posted on 02/21/2007 8:36:45 PM PST by do the dhue (DEM ARE RATS!!!!!)
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To: calinative31
We need to amend the Constitution so that just being born here in the U.S. does not make you a citizen. You should have to be born here to parents who are citizens.

Isn't that what the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" part of the 14th Amendment means?
19 posted on 02/21/2007 8:38:48 PM PST by Borges
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To: do the dhue

Note the 'violent' part. I think they're buying into Islamist claims that Jihad CAN be peaceful, an inner struggle, which is pure nonsense.


20 posted on 02/21/2007 8:42:19 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt
an inner struggle, which is pure nonsense.

I concur. I think it is more of a struggle against the West.
21 posted on 02/21/2007 8:46:45 PM PST by do the dhue (DEM ARE RATS!!!!!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Nice pic, thanks.


22 posted on 02/21/2007 8:49:03 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Okay the map is really making me fearful. I live right in the Silcon Valley area People wake up


23 posted on 02/21/2007 8:53:05 PM PST by proudCArepublican
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To: do the dhue
Just a few blocks from where I live.

Dimmocrat voters, no doubt.

Get me outta this city!

24 posted on 02/21/2007 8:53:11 PM PST by RushCrush (Trust in God but tie your camel well.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Interesting OK City. Hum


25 posted on 02/21/2007 8:54:17 PM PST by proudCArepublican
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To: do the dhue

I bet you they are from Bridgeview.


26 posted on 02/21/2007 8:55:41 PM PST by Dengar01 (Go Bears!)
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To: Redbob
Bears fans, no doubt...

Drop dead moron.

27 posted on 02/21/2007 8:57:32 PM PST by Dengar01 (Go Bears!)
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To: Dengar01
I was born in Baltimore and raised in Indiana. I've been a Colt fan all my life. I needed this Super Bowl. You have no idea. Anyway, I am sure they are not Bears fan. I am sure they had posters of Bin Laden and not Brian Urlacher. I am sure that Redbob was trying to pass humor.

In any case, these people are traitors and I want to see them rot or fry.
28 posted on 02/21/2007 9:04:03 PM PST by do the dhue (DEM ARE RATS!!!!!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
It's a bit late for immigration reform. The damage has been done and the bad guys are already here.

Bush likes to tout there hasn't been an attack on our soil in yada yada yada. We'll that's because they're busy preparing. The INS knows they're here, but they're more interested in electing a democrat than rounding up the thousands of "Mohammed's" and "Akbar's" roaming the country.

The terrorists, I believe, are working on a device right here under our noses. I can picture them bringing in additional components to be used in its construction. They walk across the border with whatever it is they need. Small parts that by themselves look useless. But when assembled with other seemingly useless parts, together, they go 'bang'.

Bush likes to remind us that he sent 6,000 Nat'l Guard troops to the border. He purposely forgets to tell you that he won't let them defend it. Bush's regard for securing the border is less than serious. In fact, it's tantamount to welcoming an attack.

He's fond of saying "you're either with us, or against us". We'll, GW, I wish you were with us. Do what we elected you to do. Protect this country. Quit the mealy mouth and get with it. FIX the border problem NOW! If this country gets HIT, I will ever forget that it occurred on YOUR watch.
29 posted on 02/21/2007 9:04:19 PM PST by Arcy
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To: do the dhue

Reports like that are coming in almost daily now, and our nation still doesn't have the will to fight. Iran further builds its military forces and military alliances as we do nothing about it.


30 posted on 02/21/2007 9:06:44 PM PST by familyop
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To: calinative31
We need to amend the Constitution ...

The 'Anchor Baby' is not constitutional now -- it was vreated out of the "penumbra's" of a warped lawyer's brain.Here's what is needed -- fat chance of getting it passed:

WHEREAS: The Fourteenth Amendment was proposed and ratified immediately following the Civil War, and

WHEREAS: It was specifically drafted to prevent any governing body from disenfranchising all current US Residents as of its date of enactment, and

WHEREAS: It specifically noted that said US Residents were "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" of the United States and of the State wherein they reside, and

WHEREAS: Said "jurisdiction" was acquired through prior and current legal means of Immigration, Indentured Servitude, or Slavery:

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED: That no one shall be granted Citizenship by Birth unless one of the Birth Parents has current Citizenship in these United States. Citizenship for issue of Legal Immigrants will be awarded with the Parents acquisition.


31 posted on 02/21/2007 9:07:59 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: familyop
...our nation still doesn't have the will to fight.

Fight? Why would you want to fight? Join the rest of America. We're all willing to be blown up in the interest of multiculturalism. It feels great to be in a rainbow!
Extreme sarcasm.
32 posted on 02/21/2007 9:11:59 PM PST by Arcy
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To: Arcy

"ever"

I know you meant "never".

Amen.


33 posted on 02/21/2007 9:12:08 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Funny how most of them are in Blue States. I thought liberals understood and loved Muslims and Islam?


34 posted on 02/21/2007 9:15:57 PM PST by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: LtdGovt
Note the 'violent' part. I think they're buying into Islamist claims that Jihad CAN be peaceful, an inner struggle, which is pure nonsense.

Exactly. "Violent jihad" is a redundancy, just like "terrorism" is only half a word without "Islamic" in front of it.
35 posted on 02/21/2007 9:18:09 PM PST by The Pack Knight (If the election was held today, I'd be very surprised.)
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To: do the dhue

Skin them alive.


36 posted on 02/21/2007 9:31:46 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Veritas. Gravitas. Ohmygas.)
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To: Arcy
"Fight? Why would you want to fight? Join the rest of America. We're all willing to be blown up in the interest of multiculturalism. It feels great to be in a rainbow!"

LOL! Maybe you're right. But I'm in a remote place and will have to move to one of our major, anti-American, Democrat...er, I mean cosmopolitan, cultured cities in order to participate. Or I could simply stay here during the attacks and gloat...er, I mean mourn.
37 posted on 02/21/2007 9:44:08 PM PST by familyop
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To: do the dhue
I was born in Baltimore and raised in Indiana. I've been a Colt fan all my life. I needed this Super Bowl. You have no idea. Anyway, I am sure they are not Bears fan. I am sure they had posters of Bin Laden and not Brian Urlacher. I am sure that Redbob was trying to pass humor.

You didn't have to suffer through the rain at the Superbowl like I did :P

38 posted on 02/21/2007 9:47:10 PM PST by Dengar01 (Go Bears!)
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To: Dengar01
You didn't have to suffer for 35 years.

Greatest game I ever saw too. I knew we were not beat after the run back. I said, 'no big deal, we were down by more against the Patriots'. Then Manning's first two passes were almost picked and the third pass was picked. That's when I started to worry. But I must say that we won because of our heart.

When you get knocked down and then you stand back up, you have the heart of a Champion. Ali won his title back three times.

And that should be our heart in Iraq. Tough times never last tough people do. So, what if we get knocked down. You get knocked down in life. You get back up and try something different. And you keep trying. Never wavering, never tiring, never failing, and never faltering.

And let it be know that we have not been knocked down. That is what the media would have you believe. We have lost 3,000 intrepid Troops in four years. We lost 22,000 Soldiers at Antietam in four hours. Over 300,000 Troops gave their lives in the four years of World War II. Over 30,000 in two years of Korea. 58,000 in the ten years of Vietnam. Our Troops have done an outstanding job. They are in the heart of the Middle East. A place that hates our guts and burns out flag and we lost 3,000 Troops. We were told that we would lose 10,000 going to Baghdad. Well, I will let it be know that our Troops have done an outstanding job. I am proud of them all. From the heroes who put themselves in harms way, to the families who work twice as hard at home (because the Trooper is away). Thank God for them all and may He Bless them forever. So, I say so what if the media thinks it is winning. I have the heart of the champion. I will not waver, tire, falter, or fail. Peace and freedom will prevail.
39 posted on 02/21/2007 10:03:02 PM PST by do the dhue (DEM ARE RATS!!!!!)
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To: do the dhue

"The cousins, both American citizens.."


I am constantly told that only a small percentage of Muslims are radical and that the majority are peace-loving, upstanding citizens. Will someone please quantify what is meant with the "majority"? No other group in our society has posed such an immediate threat to our national security, at any time, as Muslims have.


40 posted on 02/21/2007 10:07:05 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: 353FMG
Well, we are going to have to learn how to trust some. Like the Kurds. I think we can trust these anyone.

I also think that we must make all people earn our trust though. We shouldn't be going around blatantly trusting people.

BTW:

41 posted on 02/21/2007 10:12:24 PM PST by do the dhue (DEM ARE RATS!!!!!)
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To: 353FMG

Muslims pray to the Islamic empire 5 times a day. Mecca is the national (nation of Islam, not NOI) identity.

Saudi Arabia a supremacist's dream nation. Jews cannot enter the country. Non-muslims are prohibited from practicing their faith. Non-muslims are treated differently under the law. Non-muslims are prohibited from entering the city of Mecca.

The moderates never speak out against these injustices.


42 posted on 02/21/2007 10:47:52 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: do the dhue

I'm pretty sure I've ridden in a cab one of these guys was driving.

(only half kidding...)


43 posted on 02/21/2007 10:50:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: Mr. Mojo

And that was from 2002-2003...right now it'd probably be all red.


44 posted on 02/21/2007 10:53:58 PM PST by Serb29 ("Fear can only prevail when victims are ignorant of the facts ". - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Redbob

"Bears fans, no doubt..."

LOL...hey, now...don't get us in this. We just love our Polish sausage and beer...and our Bears. : )


45 posted on 02/21/2007 10:57:32 PM PST by Serb29 ("Fear can only prevail when victims are ignorant of the facts ". - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dengar01

"I bet you they are from Bridgeview."

Why, what's in Bridgeview? Is there a big mosque I haven't seen or just a bunch of militant Muslims? One fairly large mosque in the Chi-town suburbs is in Lemont...just exit 55 and go south down Lemont Rd...you can't miss it. Every time I pass it a get a chill down my spine, wondering if the next psycho lies behind those doors.


46 posted on 02/21/2007 11:01:53 PM PST by Serb29 ("Fear can only prevail when victims are ignorant of the facts ". - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: do the dhue

"But I must say that we won because of our heart."

...and Rex Grossman.


47 posted on 02/21/2007 11:05:48 PM PST by Serb29 ("Fear can only prevail when victims are ignorant of the facts ". - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: do the dhue

"I also think that we must make all people earn our trust though."

I agree, but it's a little more difficult that that. Serbs thought they earned our trust, right up until we bombed the hell out of them for defending their land.


48 posted on 02/21/2007 11:08:21 PM PST by Serb29 ("Fear can only prevail when victims are ignorant of the facts ". - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ChiTownBearFan

Many are associated with blue universities and blue urban areas, withour regard to the overall political leanings of a state. Universities offer a tremendous amount of protection for even blatant fanatics to infiltrate even the reddest regions, just as riverboat gambling acted as a rat magnet to draw Dems into Republican areas.

Al fuqra's odd, though- they are former blue urban dwellers who move into enclaves in red areas so they can shoot guns without raising a brow and slaughter their own goats, etc.


49 posted on 02/21/2007 11:19:47 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: do the dhue
A CT Blog reader points out language in the indictment indicating that plotting with the two new defendants occurred at a "convention in Cleveland," which was almost certainly the 2004 convention of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) and Muslim American Society (MAS) http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/02/new_indictments_charge_more_am.php
50 posted on 02/21/2007 11:30:17 PM PST by anglian
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