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IRS wants eBay to turn on its customers
AOL Money & Finance ^ | Feb 20th 2007 10:10AM | Douglas McIntyre

Posted on 02/22/2007 5:56:59 AM PST by Fighting Irish

Perhaps the budget deficit is getting too large. The IRS is trying to get eBay Inc. (NASDAQ:EBAY) to turn over records on its customers, especially the larger ones, so that the IRS can go after those who have not paid taxes on their auction transactions. What fun. Getting a company to rat out its own.

eBay is fighting the move, but the government seems determined to go after merchants, especially those who have transactions of over $5,000 a year.

The government may have a point; tax evasion is a serious business. And so why shouldn't eBay potentially poison its relationship with thousands of customers? It would be, after all, the patriotic thing to do.

Douglas A. McIntyre is a partner at 24/7 Wall St.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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...companion piece from FT.com

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Ebay fights plan to report users to IRS By Eoin Callan in Washington

Published: February 19 2007 17:47 | Last updated: February 19 2007 17:47

Ebay is fiercely resisting a Bush administration plan it says will force it to snitch on customers who are not paying tax on billions earned on the popular online auction site.

The Treasury estimates it could collect $2bn in unpaid tax if companies such as eBay reported American users who carry out more than 100 transactions worth at least $5,000 a year to the Internal Revenue Service.

1 posted on 02/22/2007 5:57:02 AM PST by Fighting Irish
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To: Fighting Irish

Why not. Everyother company in the united States bows to the government and withholds taxes.


2 posted on 02/22/2007 6:03:34 AM PST by Chickensoup (WE are the media....The New Media.)
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To: Fighting Irish
The Treasury estimates it could collect $2bn in unpaid tax

Hmmm....Treasury ESTIMATES? Based on the many debacles in their history, not least of which a multi-billion-dollar "upgrade" of their Information Systems which went literally nowhere, I think the estimates are about as reliable as a game of pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey. Of course, when Dems are involved, the donkey tries to pin the tail on you.

3 posted on 02/22/2007 6:03:51 AM PST by relictele
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To: relictele

Note my tagline.


4 posted on 02/22/2007 6:07:49 AM PST by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE IRS.)
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To: Fighting Irish

This is ridiculous. Many many people sell used items on Ebay (like an online garage sale - I sell my daughter's clothes and toys as she outgrows them). When I do this I am not making a profit - I am selling things at a loss (getting much less than the original retail price) so I don't consider it "income" and therefore should not have to be taxes on it. With all the ebay fees and paypal fees and then adding taxes on, it really would not be worth it at all to see on ebay anymore. I'll just go back to the old fashioned real garage sales.


5 posted on 02/22/2007 6:11:32 AM PST by American72 (Sick of Democrats)
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To: Fighting Irish
$2 billion in taxes? Wow, with a $1.2 TRILLION dollar budget, that's a sum the IRS figures is worth fighting for and coercing online businesses to pony up.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 02/22/2007 6:11:51 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Fighting Irish
Various states have been demanding that online cigarette vendors rat out their customers. FedEx and UPS as well. No new precedent here, just a different ox to be gored.

The shoe won't feel so good on the other foot.

7 posted on 02/22/2007 6:14:16 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: American72
With all the ebay fees and paypal fees and then adding taxes on, it really would not be worth it at all to see on ebay anymore. I'll just go back to the old fashioned real garage sales

Garage sales are much more fun to do anyway, although I'm waiting for the day to come when the Feds find a way to tax them as well.
8 posted on 02/22/2007 6:14:30 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Don't screw with the Kitties)
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To: Fighting Irish

I pay taxes on my profits. Ebay sellers should too. However I object to the strong arm tactics of the government.
The government gets more and more totalitarian every day.


9 posted on 02/22/2007 6:15:18 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: American72
so I don't consider it "income" and therefore should not have to be taxes on it.

Nowadays, income is whatever the IRS says it is.

10 posted on 02/22/2007 6:19:17 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: Fighting Irish; ancient_geezer
The IRS violates the 1st, 4th, 5th and 10th amendments.


11 posted on 02/22/2007 6:21:27 AM PST by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: American72

A lot of people do make money and run business on eBay. If you ran your own business, you'd be expected to collect sales tax based on the state you are in, and if you dealt with people from other states they would be expected to file their own taxes with their own state (Virginia for example calls it as "Use Tax").

Since eBay is the "storefront" for these businesses, the IRS is asking eBay to collect the information for them.

I would expect eBay to say no. But companies making profit on eBay SHOULD have to pay taxes on the profit. And if there are sales taxes, they should be paid by people whether they buy from a local store or from an internet store. Otherwise it's unfair to the companies who provide services directly to the community.


12 posted on 02/22/2007 6:34:18 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Chickensoup
"Everyother company in the united States bows to the government and withholds taxes."

It's called the law and if you don't withhold you go to jail and loose everything. Pretty good incentive wouldn't you say? Not to mention MATCHING SS AND MEDICARE for every penny withheld for each employee.
13 posted on 02/22/2007 6:36:00 AM PST by poobear (Carter & Clinton - 'The Latter Day Church Of Jew Haters & Horndogs')
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To: Fighting Irish

The IRS should go hang out at those Day Labor sites. Plenty of taxes going uncollected from transactions conducted there.


14 posted on 02/22/2007 6:42:05 AM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

One of my plans for retirement is to operate primarily in the underground economy. This is driven by my pension and 401k withdrawals being fully taxable, and the huge 50% social security penalty for going over the "earnings limit" before my "full retirement age".
eBay, for all its problems, is the by far the best auction site, IMHO.

Another government "help" for my old age.


15 posted on 02/22/2007 6:42:12 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: American72

I was thinking the same . I sell on ebay and sometimes I make money and sometimes an item doesn't sell. Does that mean I will get taxed on the listing or just what items I have sold? If they are going to do this I will just do a garage sale here and there. Otherwise like you say it wouldn't be worth it. Its not like I am making a killing on there. Its a shame because some people are able to boost their income to pay their bills . Or like me be able to stay home with my child. I am sick of taxes on everything.


16 posted on 02/22/2007 6:43:35 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Fighting Irish

I know several people who have sold over $10,000 in product over E-bay...I think what the IRS wants is a report to show how much they sold so they can match that to what they report...Ie if I ran a brick and morter I would have to show profit loss and report the gain as income...same thing only without Ebay reporting it you can say anything...


17 posted on 02/22/2007 6:44:33 AM PST by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: American72
>"When I do this I am not making a profit - I am selling things at a loss (getting much less than the original retail price) so I don't consider it "income" and therefore should not have to be taxes on it."

The point is you have already paid taxes on it multiple times. The cookie stealing children, I mean the gubbamint wants to tax it as many times as possible untill the system totally breaks.

18 posted on 02/22/2007 6:47:11 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (This most beautiful system could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being)
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To: American72
I think the Power Sellers are the ones their after. Those who buy from wholesalers by the gross, have the items dropped shipped and then decline to report the profit as income.

I say that eBay is not responsible for the fact that these people are evading the IRS.
If a straight commission salesperson were failing to make quarterly tax payments to the IRS while working for Mary Kay cosmetics or Tupperware...would the IRS go after those companies?

EBay should tell the IRS to go p!$$ up a rope.

19 posted on 02/22/2007 6:49:42 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: Fighting Irish

Every day, I hate the f---ing IRS more. Pardon my French, one of the only times I feel compelled to use the "F" word is when discussing terrorists or the IRS.


20 posted on 02/22/2007 6:51:00 AM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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