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What's Wrong With Rudy Giuliani? Just About Everything. (A List To keep Track Of)
Rudy's own words and History. ^ | 2-23-07 | TitansAFC

Posted on 02/23/2007 8:20:14 AM PST by TitansAFC

Edited on 02/23/2007 11:49:00 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Okay, let's start a new list. This list will include all of the issues on which Rudy Giuliani is wrong for the GOP. We have the famous Spiff/Narses list; but let's add some more known problems:

1.) Life Issues.
a.) Supports Roe vs. Wade (Called it good Constitutional law).
b.) Supports Abortion on Demand.
c.) Supports Partial Birth abortion (Has recently given NARAL talking points as an attempted recant. It is clear he still supports that right).
d.) Disagrees with Catholic Church's position that Abortion is murder.
e.) Supports taxpayer funded abortions.
f.) Supports Embryonic Stem Cell Research.
g.) Spouts-off Pro-Abortion talking points against abortion restrictions (Don't want women "put in jail").
h.) Opposes Parental Notification laws unless a judicial bypass is easily obtained (NARAL talking points which effectively nullify notification laws).
i.) Opposes Parental Consent laws.
j.) CELEBRATED anniversary of Roe vs. Wade.
k.) Celebrates Margaret Sanger as a hero.

2.) Gay Rights issues.
a.) Supports Homosexuality and Alternate Lifestyles as protected civil rights movements under the law.
b.) Opposes The Federal Marriage Amendment.
c.) Supports Gay Domestic Partnership/Civil Union laws.
d.) Opposes Defense of Marriage Act.
e.) Supports openly gay military.

3.) Immigration.
a.) Supports Amnesty for illegal immigrants (calls it "earned amnesty").
b.) Opposes border fence (prefers "electronic fence" - Pro-Amnesty talking point).
c.) Opposes tougher penalties for employers of illegal immigrants.
d.) Supports creating Amnesty cities; has openly defied immigration laws.

3.) First Amendment.
a.) Supports Campaign Finance Reform.
b.) Supports Hate Crimes Legislation.

4.) Second Amendment.
a.) Supports gun confiscation.
b.) Supports Assault Weapons ban.
c.) Supports frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers (filed one himself).
d.) Supports very strict gun registration and gun licensing.
e.) Links increased gun ownership to increased crime.
f.) Regularly uses tragedies to call for stricter gun control laws.
g.) Supports increase in FEDERAL gun control laws.
h.) Has no basic understanding of Second Amendment.

4.) Taxes
a.) Will not sign "No new taxes" pledge.
b.) Has openly called ruling out tax increases "pandering."
c.) Uses taxpayer monies to pay for Liberal Social programs, like abortion.

5.) Election Laws.
a.) Tried to thwart NY election laws to extend his tenure as Mayor.

6.) Executive Overreaching.
a.) Brought in and enforced smoking bans.
b.) Banned ferret ownership.
c.) Questionable appointments as Mayor.

7.) Judiciary.
a.) Believes Roe vs. Wade is good law.
b.) Believes Ginsberg is good Justice.
c.) Believes Second Amendment compels strict gun control.
d.) Believes Hate Crimes laws are consistent with First Amendment.
e.) Believes Campaign Finance Reform is consistent with First Amendment.
f.) Has very Liberal record of judicial appointments.
g.) Promises "strict constructionist" judges "like himself:" Pro-Roe, Anti-First and Second Amendment "strict constructionists."

8.) Environmental Issues.
a.) Supports "Progressive" environmental laws.
b.) Supports idea of human-caused Global Warming.

9.) Prior Endorsements.
a.) Endorsed Mario Cuomo.
b.) Endorsed by Liberal Party of NY.
c.) Refused Conservative Party compromise on Partial Birth Abortion required to get endorsement.
d.) Endorsed by NARAL.
e.) Endorsed Clinton's policies as similar to his own.


Feel free to add to the list.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; desperate; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; listenvy; paleos4hillary; primary; rudy; rudy2008

1 posted on 02/23/2007 8:20:18 AM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

2 posted on 02/23/2007 8:21:50 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Vote for RINOS, lose and complain by sending a self-abused stomped elephant.)
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To: TitansAFC

Yeah bb-b-bb but he has the best chance to beat hillary, so if you are not for him then you are a rino.


3 posted on 02/23/2007 8:23:45 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: TitansAFC

Sort of puts the Kibosh on America's Mayor for America's Prez don't it?

Take heart tho. The others have "rap" sheets also.

Rudy's not alone. Startin' to wonder about all this?

You really should.


4 posted on 02/23/2007 8:25:36 AM PST by CBart95
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To: TitansAFC

Wow, now THAT is a LIST!


5 posted on 02/23/2007 8:27:28 AM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: TitansAFC

neoliberal urbanism



80-year-old cabaret law, which regulated all bars and restaurants where patrons danced. The law, was revived by the Giuliani administration to punish nightclubs and bars without a two-year cabaret license.


6 posted on 02/23/2007 8:28:09 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Rodney King

What if it isn't Hillary? What if it is Gore? My dog could run and beat Gore.


7 posted on 02/23/2007 8:29:28 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Liz

Come and pile on. :^)


8 posted on 02/23/2007 8:31:36 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: TitansAFC

I don't like it, but I'll take him over Romney, if the choice came down to that.


9 posted on 02/23/2007 8:32:05 AM PST by William James
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To: William James
I don't like it, but I'll take him over Romney, if the choice came down to that.

That's a toughie. Here is what we know about Giuliani: Terrible on most everything. But, perhaps good on taxes and spending, which of course is what the GOP neglected the last 6 years. If he came out swinging hard to cut taxes and reduce spending, I could overlook all the other stuff. But, he won't.

Romney bad on everything, but there is a good chance that he was lying about it all to get elected in Mass. Some signs that beneath it all he really is a conservative. Of course, who wants to take that chance? Vote for Mitt, he's been lying all these years? Kind of a tough sell.

10 posted on 02/23/2007 8:34:54 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Calpernia
What if it isn't Hillary? What if it is Gore?

Giuliani has the best chance to beat any Dem candidate. The time to fight for your purist candidates is in the primaries, except this time, of course, because it is just too important this election to let the Dems win. If you don't support Giuliani now, you are a RINO.

11 posted on 02/23/2007 8:36:27 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: TitansAFC

Substitute W's name in there and look! What a fit!!
I don't turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the present occupant of the White House who is the biggest government expansionist in US history, a socialist liberal, and a pagan blasphemer to boot!
I'm voting for whoever has the best chance of beating Hillary Clinton, enough said.


12 posted on 02/23/2007 8:37:58 AM PST by fox martyr son
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To: TitansAFC

I've said it before, I'll say it again:
With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?


13 posted on 02/23/2007 8:38:38 AM PST by wdkeller
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To: Rodney King

>>>>If you don't support Giuliani now, you are a RINO.

Then I'm a proud RINO.

I don't support any Log Cabin Republicans.


14 posted on 02/23/2007 8:39:16 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: TitansAFC

Under #6 I would add D: Tried to extend his term as mayor.


15 posted on 02/23/2007 8:42:20 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: TitansAFC

A pragmatic realist who isn't lying about his positions and intentions to appease a small but vocal minority?

All-rrrrright!


16 posted on 02/23/2007 8:47:15 AM PST by kaotic133
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To: kaotic133
A pragmatic realist who isn't lying about his positions and intentions to appease a small but vocal minority?

Which vocal minority is that? The one that elected Reagan, the one that put the GOP in charge of the Congress in '94? Yeah, just that vocal minority that actually believes in the GOP platform.

17 posted on 02/23/2007 8:53:57 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: kaotic133
Found a book for you (and Rudy):


18 posted on 02/23/2007 8:55:46 AM PST by TitansAFC (Liberalism is social terrorism, and it's much closer to home. No to Rudy, under any circumstance!)
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To: TitansAFC

"It is a source of never-ending irritation to liberals that Americans like to hear conservatives. Liberals are like the dog food company president who furiously demands to know why their dog food isn't selling. "We've got the snappiest jingles," he rails, "the best agronomists, the slickest advertising campaign, the best billboards, and the flashiest labels!
Why aren't people buying our dog food?"

Finally, an employee meekly explains: "The dogs don't like it."
`Slander', Ann Coulter, Chapt. 6, Samizdat Media, P. 91

Woof!


19 posted on 02/23/2007 8:56:35 AM PST by tumblindice (Rudy-brand Kibbles & Bits: Now, new & improved! PBA free! But wait, there's more: act now and we wil)
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To: Rodney King

The NEW platform built on mostly nothing but hating gays and abortions or the OLD platform about limited federal government?

Because we are not operating under the same GOP platform as we did under Reagan. Bush made sure to change it when he got the nomination in 2000, and for the life of me I cannot find any mention of limiting the federal government. At least Bush isn't a hypocrit, I guess.


20 posted on 02/23/2007 9:08:57 AM PST by kaotic133
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To: TitansAFC

Excellent!


21 posted on 02/23/2007 9:17:21 AM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: TitansAFC

You would be much more effective spending your time endorsing someone else.


22 posted on 02/23/2007 9:30:23 AM PST by Fawn (LEMME IN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkMIdfwo32Y&eurl=)
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To: Fawn

---"You would be much more effective spending your time endorsing someone else."---

I have officially endorsed that candidate who goes by the specific name of "Not Rudy Giuliani."

But my actual list is (for the record):
1.) Newt
2.) Hunter
3.) Romney
4.) McCain
5.) Third Party


23 posted on 02/23/2007 9:32:50 AM PST by TitansAFC (Liberalism is social terrorism, and it's much closer to home. No to Rudy, under any circumstance!)
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To: TitansAFC

I think most of us would pick Newt or Hunter.....if they can get noticed and have such a high popularity rate to win!! It's early....so maybe it will happen.


24 posted on 02/23/2007 9:39:36 AM PST by Fawn (LEMME IN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkMIdfwo32Y&eurl=)
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To: kaotic133
» for the life of me I cannot find any mention of limiting the federal government

'Cuz it's not there! Bush has been anything but conservative when it comes to spending. The 2002 farm bill and 2005 energy and highway bills were monuments to excessively earmarked government waste. Throw in Medicare Rx and No Child Left Behind...uggh!

25 posted on 02/23/2007 9:43:27 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: tumblindice
"It is a source of never-ending irritation to liberals that Americans like to hear conservatives. Liberals are like the dog food company president who furiously demands to know why their dog food isn't selling. "We've got the snappiest jingles," he rails, "the best agronomists, the slickest advertising campaign, the best billboards, and the flashiest labels! Why aren't people buying our dog food?"

Sounds snappy, but Americans bought a whole lot of that dog food last November.

And W has been doing his best to sell us more dog food.

26 posted on 02/23/2007 9:50:35 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: TitansAFC

No need to add anymore : )


27 posted on 02/23/2007 9:53:08 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
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To: TitansAFC
Would be easier to list the things he's right on:

1) Uhhhh...

29 posted on 02/23/2007 9:56:37 AM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; ...

PING!


30 posted on 02/23/2007 10:00:13 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Republican primary field SUCKS!!!)
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To: highball

"Sounds snappy, but Americans bought a whole lot of that dog food last November.
And W has been doing his best to sell us more dog food."

My recitation of the quote was aimed at a liberal presidential candidate posting an (R) after his name, not the `06 election or President Bush.


31 posted on 02/23/2007 10:00:22 AM PST by tumblindice ("In matters of fashion, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock."Jefferson)
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To: tumblindice

I get that, but I fear that *whoever* gets the nomination will end up shilling for the same dog food, just because that dog food sells.


32 posted on 02/23/2007 10:14:49 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Calpernia
If you don't support Giuliani now, you are a RINO.

Then I'm a proud RINO.

"RINO" was created to refer to those who claimed to be Republican but were so liberal ("moderate" in MSM parlance) that they frequently ignored Republican platform issues. If "RINO" now means conservatives who support platform issues but don't support the "moderates" then I'm in with you.

The most telling item for me in the list is, "Refused Conservative Party compromise on Partial Birth Abortion required to get endorsement." This shows he is unwilling to even consider that conservatives are part of a coalition whose views need to be considered. Besides being in favor of an inhuman act with no possible reason for its performance.

33 posted on 02/23/2007 10:28:44 AM PST by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: etlib
>>>Besides being in favor of an inhuman act with no possible reason for its performance.

Oh there is a reason for its performance:

Harvesting Fetal Body Parts

34 posted on 02/23/2007 10:31:34 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

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35 posted on 02/23/2007 10:32:51 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: TitansAFC
I'd go for...

1. Hunter
2. Brownback
3. Tancredo
4. Romney
5. Third Party

I seriously like Mr. Newt, and would eagerly support him in a general election if he made it that far. But for the meantime, he's the one candidate I don't think could win. Too much baggage :(

Sure, I'm more than willing to overlook his flaws, and clearly you are too. But folks like you and me are much more ideology-driven than the general electorate.

Under no circumstance will I vote for EgoMcCainiac.

36 posted on 02/23/2007 10:39:25 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
PONG!

Rudy is NOT my choice for anything except : LIB of the year.

free dixie,sw

37 posted on 02/23/2007 2:18:37 PM PST by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: TitansAFC
Two words . . .

Bernard.
Kerik.

This may be Giuliani's most egregious flaw, especially when you look beneath the surface and see the sordid details of that story.

Someone speculated here that George W. Bush hasn't even spoken to Giuliani since that debacle. I don't know if that's true, but as I think back over the last two years I don't recall any public appearance with the two of them together since 2004.

38 posted on 02/23/2007 5:54:45 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: All
<BEWARE!... Social-conservatives, Christian conservatives or moral-conservatives of ANY KIND..

********************* WE NEED TO UNITE IN OUR PURPOSE!!! ************************

Keep your eyes on the ball... The CONSULTANTS are earning their money now, trying hard to find the weakest spot to get this lefty through the primaries.

I DON'T BUY the argument that Rudy is a CHAMPION OF NATIONAL SECURITY or the MOST FISCAL CONSERVATIVE on the plant earth /s. This is all BS, a SMOKE SCREEN by the Left, to "get him through" somehow and bamboozle conservatives into voting for him!


39 posted on 02/23/2007 6:01:34 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 & Let's not forget, we are all still friends, basically :) despite our differences)
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To: Rodney King
Yeah bb-b-bb but he has the best chance to beat hillary, so if you are not for him then you are a rino.

Hey, now we used the same tactic to get Arnie, and he is no RINO. He is a full blown Liberator.

40 posted on 02/24/2007 7:00:59 PM PST by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: TitansAFC

Fine. So who's your candidate?


41 posted on 02/24/2007 7:05:12 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Calpernia

Bookmarked the link to study later. Thanks for posting.


42 posted on 02/24/2007 7:16:02 PM PST by upsdriver ((Hunter for Pres/ Ann Coulter Sec, of State))
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