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Cameron defends Jesus tomb documentary
CTV News ^ | 2007-02-26 | (staff)

Posted on 02/26/2007 8:41:03 AM PST by Clive

Oscar-winning director James Cameron defended on Monday his controversial new documentary, which claims that Jesus may have been buried with a wife and son, against charges the film was trying to undermine Christianity.

Instead, the documentary that claims the discovery of the tomb of Jesus Christ and his family celebrates their existence, Cameron said at a press conference announcing the documentary "The Lost Tomb of Jesus."

The message that Jesus delivered 2,000 years ago resounds even today, Cameron said.

"My feeling is that his message of compassion, humility, love and forgiveness is every bit as much needed now in this divisive, materialistic and war-torn world."

But church representatives and archeologists are rejecting the claims of a Canadian documentary filmmaker who says he has found the tomb of Jesus Christ and his family, a claim that would have profound implications for the Christian faith.

"I think this is more fanciful and absurd theorizing. Every Christian knows that Jesus, the son of God and man, died and rose again on Easter Sunday," said Joseph Zwilling, a spokesperson for the Catholic Church in New York, where the news conference on the discovery will be held on Monday.

"No alleged DNA test or Hollywood film is going to change that," he told the New York Post.

Cameron and Emmy-award winning Toronto filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici

say that the tomb of Jesus Christ and his family has been found, a claim that would have profound implications for the Christian faith.

"This has been a three-year journey that seems more incredible than fiction," the Jacobovici said earlier. "The idea of possibly finding the tomb of Jesus and several members of his family, with compelling scientific evidence, is beyond anything I could have imagined."

The film suggests that ossuaries once containing the bones of Jesus and his family are now stored in a warehouse belonging to the Israel Antiquities Authority in Bet Shemesh, outside Jerusalem.

The tomb where the remains were found was unearthed in the Talpiot neighbourhood of Jerusalem during the construction of an apartment building in 1980.

During the excavation, archeologists found 10 ossuaries and three skulls. Six of the ossuaries had names inscribed into them: Jesus son of Joseph, Judah son of Jesus, Maria, Mariamne, Joseph and Matthew.

At the time, the finding raised few alarms, as these had been common names at the time of Jesus.

Years later, a BBC crew that stumbled across the collection in a store room belonging to the Israeli Antiquities Authorities began work program that focused on the tomb.

Jacobovici's documentary uses scientific methods, including DNA testing, statistical analysis and forensic examination, not available to the BBC 11 years ago.

If the claims are correct, and the tombs belonged to the holiest family in Christendom, the discovery could shake the foundations of the Christian faith with the speculation that Jesus fathered a child with Mary Magdalene.

DNA tests conducted for the documentary at Lakehead University on two ossuaries -- one inscribed Jesus son of Joseph and the other Mariamne, or Mary -- confirm that the two were not related by blood, so they were likely married.

"Perhaps Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married as the DNA results from the Talpiot ossuaries suggest and perhaps their union was kept secret to protect a potential dynasty - a secret hidden through the ages," narrator Ron White says in the documentary.

"A secret we just may be able to uncover in the holy family tomb."

Traditional Christian beliefs maintain that Jesus was physically resurrected to heaven while more liberal interpretations have permitted for a spiritual ascension.

The claims follow years of growing interest in the private life of Jesus, fuelled by the 2003 Dan Brown novel "The Da Vinci Code," which was made into a movie last year.

In Brown's novel, which was denounced by church figures around the world, Jesus is said to have married Mary Magdalene and sired a daughter.

Jacobovici has said the findings should not threaten anyone's belief in the resurrection, as he does not argue that Jesus did not ascend to heaven at least spiritually.

But critics are already speaking out against the documentary's claims.

"It's a beautiful story but without any proof whatsoever," Amos Kloner, professor at Israel's Bar-Ilan University, told Deutsche Presse-Agentur. Kloner researched the tomb for the Israeli periodical Atiqot in 1996.

"The names . . . found on the tombs are names that are similar to the names of the family of Jesus. But those were the most common names found among Jews in the first centuries BCE (before the common era) and CE (common era)."

In The Lost Tomb, however, University of Toronto statistician Andre Feuerverger calculates that the chances of the names being found together are 600 to one.

He says that the Maria on one of the ossuaries is the mother of the Jesus found on another box, that Mariamne is his wife and that Joseph -- inscribed as the nickname Jose -- is his brother.

Jesus' mother was known after his death as Maria, the Latin form of Mary, as more Romans became followers. Mariamne is the Greek form of Mary. Mary Magdalene is believed to have spoken and preached in Greek. Jose was the nickname used for Jesus' little brother.

Furthermore, the tomb is the only site where ossuaries have been found with the names Mariamne and Jose, the documentary's creators claim.

Another famous ossuary, inscribed James son of Joseph brother of Jesus, is also featured in the documentary.

Of the 10 ossuaries found at Talpiot, one later went missing. Many experts have speculated the coffin is that of James, which was put on public display at the Royal Ontario Museum.

Furthermore, forensic testing of the patina on the Jesus ossuary and that of James concluded they came from the same tomb.

Feuerverger says that if James is added to the equation, there is a 30,000 to one chance that the Talpiot Tomb belonged to Jesus' family.

Another calculation, commissioned by James Tabor, chair of the department of religion studies at the University of North Carolina, puts the odds at one in 42 million.

Another researcher, whose work has focused on the Middle East, biblical anthropologist Joe Zias, has rejected the claims as "dishonest."

"It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, he was known as Jesus of Nazareth, not Jesus of Jerusalem, and if the family was wealthy enough to afford a tomb, which they probably weren't, it would have been in Nazareth, not here in Jerusalem," Zias told CBS.

The $4-million documentary will air on Canada's Vision TV on March 6 and two days earlier on Discovery U.S.

The companion book, "The Jesus Family Tomb" (HarperCollins) by Jacobovici and Charles Pellegrino, has just been released.


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1 posted on 02/26/2007 8:41:04 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive

The hollywood crowd is beginning to believe their own BS.


2 posted on 02/26/2007 8:45:39 AM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Clive
Instead, the documentary that claims the discovery of the tomb of Jesus Christ and his family celebrates their existence, Cameron said ... ."

And if I publish bogus evidence that your daughter is crack whore, I'll just tell everyone it's a celebration of her existence, Mr Cameron, okay?

3 posted on 02/26/2007 8:46:24 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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To: Clive

"At the time, the finding raised few alarms, as these had been common names at the time of Jesus."

How can the proponents of this theory get around that? All a DNA test will prove is that they found a tomb of people who were related - not a revolutionary find.


4 posted on 02/26/2007 8:47:16 AM PST by popdonnelly ([Democrats] are jubilant at our disasters and are cast down when the rebels are defeated -Sept. 1862)
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To: Clive

"My feeling is that his message of compassion, humility, love and forgiveness is every bit as much needed now in this divisive, materialistic and war-torn world."

Anyone who has ever worked with Cameron will testify about his compassion, humility, love and forgiveness. And then burst several major blood vessels from laughter.


5 posted on 02/26/2007 8:48:14 AM PST by karnage
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To: ladtx

Of course, if DNA is recovered and is a match with Al Gore...


6 posted on 02/26/2007 8:48:48 AM PST by Paisan
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To: Clive
Mr. Cameron should read more about this Jesus guy...

"And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith... And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins."

-- Paul in I Corinthians 15

As for me and my house, I think we'll avoid getting our spiritual direction from the director of The Terminator.

7 posted on 02/26/2007 8:49:35 AM PST by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: Clive
"Perhaps Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married as the DNA results from the Talpiot ossuaries suggest and perhaps their union was kept secret to protect a potential dynasty - a secret hidden through the ages," narrator Ron White says in the documentary.

And PERHAPS I am the long lost Grand Duchess Anastasia Romanov.

8 posted on 02/26/2007 8:49:44 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: popdonnelly

Yes, that's what I was thinking. Did Christ leave a DNA sample at CSI Cameron?

This is bullsh*t...pure and simple.


9 posted on 02/26/2007 8:49:44 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: Deb

ping


10 posted on 02/26/2007 8:49:52 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Clive

Well, if he won an Oscar for his previous work, then he must have a right to do whatever he likes. Like Michael Moore. Maybe they'll give him a Pulitzer as well, or a Nobel Peace Prize.


11 posted on 02/26/2007 8:50:06 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Clive
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1791365/posts Different version.
12 posted on 02/26/2007 8:50:08 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 11/05/1979.)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

What do you gentlemen make of this?


13 posted on 02/26/2007 8:51:24 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Clive

If there was a body in the tomb, it ain't Jesus.


14 posted on 02/26/2007 8:52:54 AM PST by wastoute
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To: Tokra

Welcome back, your grace! Glad to see you survived.


15 posted on 02/26/2007 8:53:02 AM PST by ConservatismNow
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To: ladtx

"My feeling is that his message of compassion, humility, love and forgiveness is every bit as much needed now in this divisive, materialistic and war-torn world."

It's the new Hollyweird cafeteria Christianity. They pick and choose what they want but discard anything uncomfortable about the Son of God. Christ did indeed teach about forgiveness. But He also mentioned something called sin and repentance.


16 posted on 02/26/2007 8:53:30 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: Clive
"It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, he was known as Jesus of Nazareth, not Jesus of Jerusalem, and if the family was wealthy enough to afford a tomb, which they probably weren't, it would have been in Nazareth, not here in Jerusalem," Zias told CBS.

talk about burying the lead!

17 posted on 02/26/2007 8:53:56 AM PST by ikka (The US Catholic Bishops' position on immigration is objectively anti-American.)
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To: ConservatismNow
Welcome back, your grace! Glad to see you survived.

Of course, my age and gender have change somewhat over the years......

18 posted on 02/26/2007 8:54:23 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Clive

All the DNA proves is that the family was related. It doesn't prove which family it is.

So, they claim that based on some register of names, drawing each name randomly, the chance of those names all popping up is 1 in 600.

So basically, they are saying that 1 in 600 families had those names.

Which, sounds like a rare occurrence, but it is not, because of course there were a lot more than 600 families in Jerusalem at the time.


19 posted on 02/26/2007 8:55:26 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Tokra

And if you were keeping it secret, you'd bury them together in a tomb...... :-)


20 posted on 02/26/2007 8:58:10 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Clive

These strange markings were found on the coffins

21 posted on 02/26/2007 8:58:21 AM PST by woofie
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To: Clive
DNA tests conducted for the documentary at Lakehead University on two ossuaries -- one inscribed Jesus son of Joseph and the other Mariamne, or Mary -- confirm that the two were not related by blood, so they were likely married.

Unless of course Mary was the wife of one of the OTHER men in the tomb. Like maybe Joseph's 2nd wife?

22 posted on 02/26/2007 8:59:35 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Clive

James Cameron should start looking for the bones of Mohamed and his horse. They should be near the dome of the rock.


23 posted on 02/26/2007 9:01:26 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Clive

"Traditional Christian beliefs maintain that Jesus was physically resurrected to heaven while more liberal interpretations have permitted for a spiritual ascension."

More liberal interpretations? In other words, a complete fantasy someone made up versus what the Bible says. Frankly, I don't know why liberals even bother referring to scripture, since they make it up as they go.


24 posted on 02/26/2007 9:01:50 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: Clive
in this divisive, materialistic and war-torn world



Divisive, materialistic...there must be two different guys named Cameron in this story?
25 posted on 02/26/2007 9:02:39 AM PST by macamadamia
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To: Clive

Let's not get too tough on Cameron. Many of you don't realize by the Romans did take DNA samples of all folks they had on death row, so all James needs to do is check the dna of the remains that he found against the Roman back log. Should be pretty easy. /sarcasm


26 posted on 02/26/2007 9:02:58 AM PST by Tulane
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To: popdonnelly

"How can the proponents of this theory get around that? All a DNA test will prove is that they found a tomb of people who were related - not a revolutionary find."

As posted elswhere:

I met Jesus. He cuts my lawn. His young mother, Maria, sells tortillas. His father, Jose, is a carpenter and put up crown molding for me. Jesus helped.

Maybe they're the holy family?! Alive TODAY!

(yeah, sarcasm)


27 posted on 02/26/2007 9:03:26 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Clive

Wonder if this has come up as of late because of the gnostic lies showing up in their many forms. Why not this same old argument too trying to disprove Christ's resurrection. Don't these people have enough to keep themselves busy.

It's amazing that one of the greatest ancient books chronicles exactly what happened to Jesus with hundreds of eye witnesses and yet they treat it as mythology.


28 posted on 02/26/2007 9:04:13 AM PST by applpie
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To: Clive

Although I wouldn't raise Cameron to the level of false prophet, I think he will receive the same rewards.


29 posted on 02/26/2007 9:04:24 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: Rodney King

"Which, sounds like a rare occurrence, but it is not, because of course there were a lot more than 600 families in Jerusalem at the time."

Not to mention that the historical family was poor (and thus tombless) and lived in Nazareth, by way of Bethlehem, (and thus any tomb would have been there), looking at a Jeruselem tomb is patently silly.


30 posted on 02/26/2007 9:06:30 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Clive
Another famous ossuary inscribed James son of Joseph brother of Jesus, is also featured in the documentary.

This film fails to tell us that this particular ossuary has been proved to be a fake. The History channel did a whole segment on this fake ossuary this last year.

31 posted on 02/26/2007 9:06:39 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Paisan

32 posted on 02/26/2007 9:08:33 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: karnage

Cameron seems to be a little "different" even by Hollyweird standards. The guy's been married five times and is a member of the "Mars Society". Something tells me Cameron's "out there", lol.


33 posted on 02/26/2007 9:08:34 AM PST by khnyny
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To: inkling
And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faithI think Mr Cameron is well aware of this biblical passage. He is committed to the destruction of Christian faith through his junk science. DNA proves nothing more than that the people buried in this tomb were related or possibly married. The names are at best a tenuous match or not a match at all. However, this is the time in our popular culture for the abuse of science for political and cultural purposes so this story will doubtless have legs. Can they get Al Gore for the sequel?
34 posted on 02/26/2007 9:09:56 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: Clive

Is this the mindset of "Jesus wasn't necessarily the Son of God, he was a really nice guy who had good ideas"?


35 posted on 02/26/2007 9:13:12 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Clive
"...My feeling is that his message of compassion, humility, love and forgiveness is every bit as much needed now in this divisive, materialistic and war-torn world..."

Sounds like a liberal...I am willing to bet HE isn't materialistic...:)

36 posted on 02/26/2007 9:15:14 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Clive

>>Feuerverger says that if James is added to the equation, there is a 30,000 to one chance that the Talpiot Tomb belonged to Jesus' family.

Another calculation, commissioned by James Tabor, chair of the department of religion studies at the University of North Carolina, puts the odds at one in 42 million. <<

I dont understand how they can calculate even these long odds - without DNA from Jesus from a known source what can they compare with?


37 posted on 02/26/2007 9:15:49 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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I like jelly beans and those little Chocolate Malted Milk eggs...So I choose not to believe this story as a way to keep my traditions alive.

I know its not the most convincing way to maintain my faith...but what works, works.


38 posted on 02/26/2007 9:15:56 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: Clive

before anyone starts jumping to conclusions, we should watch the movie. Also, don't forget to check out the movie's official website at http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com


39 posted on 02/26/2007 9:17:36 AM PST by karen1978
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To: Clive
In The Lost Tomb, however, University of Toronto statistician Andre Feuerverger calculates that the chances of the names being found together are 600 to one.

Probably just proves that the names are bogus. The box all but says "The Christ Family Plot".

40 posted on 02/26/2007 9:19:40 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ("Thanks, Tom DeLay, for practically giving me your seat"-Nick Lampson)
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To: Clive

So let me ask. It of course would be impossible that some enterprising forger put the names on the boxes years, decades or even centuries after the boxes were placed in the tombs? I mean here is the proof that anti-Christians have always needed. Why wait so long to haul it out? Was it a double secret burial cave? Did the Apostles put up no trespassing signs? Did no one have the price of admission to view the bones of the Holy Family?

Can you imagine the time and trouble the Roman Empire and the Jewish religious authorities could have saved if they had just tossed those old bones down during the trials of the Martyrs? Seems that would have shut those pesky Christians up once and for all. Can you imagine Christians continuing to go willingly to their deaths by fire, sword, wild beasts, and other tortures; after being shown the bones of Christ. Yeah the first chapter of Masochists Annonymous will now come to order.

The whole hoopla is a hoax.


41 posted on 02/26/2007 9:20:29 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Clive

He may have found the tomb. It may even be the tomb of Jesus. The key question is, are the remains of Jesus inside? Of course they aren't. 1 Cor 15:3-5.


42 posted on 02/26/2007 9:21:18 AM PST by rudy45
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To: Clive
"The idea of possibly finding the tomb of Jesus and several members of his family, with compelling scientific evidence, is beyond anything I could have imagined."

Compelling scientific evidence ... please!
This makes the GW claptrap seem absolutely einsteinian. Lay off the bong dude.

43 posted on 02/26/2007 9:21:39 AM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Clive
O boy. Bones of "William" and "Mary" found in Florida Citrus country. Therefore the King of England, William of Orange, probably retired to cultivate Valencias in Gatorland?

Look at the evidence: they had different DNA, right?

44 posted on 02/26/2007 9:22:02 AM PST by cookcounty (Curiousity: Lee Hamilton now employed by Sandy Berger: stonebridge-international.com)
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To: inkling

I think Cameron like many others in the entertainment industry confuse fantasy and reality.

Another case of fantasitis.


45 posted on 02/26/2007 9:22:32 AM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: karen1978

lol... your first post


46 posted on 02/26/2007 9:23:07 AM PST by kenth (I wish compassionate conservatives were more compassionate to conservatism.)
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To: Clive

I haven't read anything astonishing about this yet.  This gravesite was uncovered 27 years ago and Cameron is the only person to make the claim it is the grave of Christ.  Saturday I discovered a person with my exact name, my mother's exact name and the same name as my first wife...living less than 100 miles from me, and believe me, Jesus, Joseph and Mary are hundreds of times more common than my real name.  In fact I was a bit surprised to discover someone anywhere with my exact name. Most people introduced to me claim to have never met anyone with my first name and never even heard of my middle name.

Go to Mexico and you'll find thousands of people named Jesus fathered by a guy named Joseph.  For that matter, just go to Cooperstown, NY and visit the Baseball Hall of Fame.
47 posted on 02/26/2007 9:23:44 AM PST by HawaiianGecko (Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake.)
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To: wastoute

Amen


48 posted on 02/26/2007 9:29:46 AM PST by Sue Perkick (...what I was born to do, don't have to think it through.....)
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To: karen1978

Is this your first username here or are you truly a first-day person giving advice on interpreting this kind of nonsense?

And I don't think giving reasonable caveats to what is clearly speculative 'science' is anything like jumping to conclusions. For my money, taking a few names which really were extremely common in Judaea any time between 300 BC and 100 AD, suggesting that because they occur together (as such names always would in a family tomb) they indicate one particular now-famous family and then even suggesting that there is credible DNA evidence in the case is the conclusion-jumping approach.

You wouldn't have had anything to do with making that 'film' would you?


49 posted on 02/26/2007 9:30:24 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org: Ecce Pactum, id cape aut id relinque)
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To: gondramB

You can't make this stuff up.


Oh wait....apparently you can!


50 posted on 02/26/2007 9:30:46 AM PST by Sue Perkick (...what I was born to do, don't have to think it through.....)
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