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'Nuclear Winter' May Kill More Than A Nuclear War
'Nuclear Winter' May Kill More Than A Nuclear War ^ | 3-2-2007 | Debora MacKenzie

Posted on 03/01/2007 5:22:58 PM PST by blam

'Nuclear winter' may kill more than a nuclear war

19:00 01 March 2007
NewScientist.com news service
Debora MacKenzie

A regional exchange of relatively small nuclear weapons could plunge the world into a decade-long "nuclear winter", destroying agriculture and killing millions, according to a new study.

Weapons experts to consider that small-scale nuclear exchanges are now more likely than the massive US-Soviet exchanges feared during the Cold War.

In the 1980s, scientists calculated that such exchanges would put enough smoke into the atmosphere to shade the Earth from the Sun, causing a nuclear winter.

Now scientists have re-calculated the likelihood of nuclear winter using modern, vastly improved climate models and a more likely modern scenario for small-scale nuclear war. Brian Toon, head of atmospheric and oceanic sciences at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and Alan Robock of Rutgers University in New Jersey, both in the US, predict less cooling than the 1980s modellers. However, they predict the cooling would last longer, with potentially devastating consequences.

Different targets

The pair modelled the impact of 100 explosions in subtropical megacities. They modelled 15-kilotonne explosions, like the Hiroshima bomb. This is also the size of the bombs now possessed by India and Pakistan, among others.

The immediate blast and radiation from the exchange of 100 small nuclear bombs killed between three million and 16 million people, depending on the targets. But the global effect of the resulting one-to-five million tonnes of smoke was much worse. “It is very surprising how few weapons are needed to do so much damage,” says Toon.

(Excerpt) Read more at environment.newscientist.com ...


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KEYWORDS: ajntsa; iceage; littleiceage; nuclear; nuclearwar; nuclearwinter; war; winter
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To: blam

Hasn't happened in Jericho yet!


41 posted on 03/01/2007 6:28:27 PM PST by rintense (Just say no to McCain in 2008!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
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42 posted on 03/01/2007 6:41:11 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: GSlob

Yeah we nuke the ME and kill two birds with one stone, so to speak....


43 posted on 03/01/2007 6:42:38 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: blam

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I heard it all in the 70's and 80's.


44 posted on 03/01/2007 6:52:51 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (a.k.a. What a jackass!)
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To: Larry Lucido

The answer is: because they wanted the survivors to look more dead than alive.


45 posted on 03/01/2007 7:01:07 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: DuncanWaring; pepperdog


and on that one...all I can say is this;

We ALL independently remember Sagan sitting there in the CNN
Studios, pontificating that the world was about to end because Saddam had all those wellheads lit on fire.

Carl Sagan was a bloated gas bag. Cosmos was a great series, beyond Cosmos, Sagan is simply a clueless socialist douche.


46 posted on 03/01/2007 7:07:05 PM PST by Malsua
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Arrfghhh...Me too.

Dont these idiots realize that we exploded over 3000 nuclear weapons in the air, on the ground, under the sea, and underground for over 600 megatons from 1949-1992? Guess what? we are still here. Friggin liberals..

47 posted on 03/01/2007 7:16:18 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum & Pit Bulls.)
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To: blam

Unilateral surrender is the only solution!


48 posted on 03/01/2007 7:18:46 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: DCBryan1

Yeah, and as soon as we stopped, Global Warming...


49 posted on 03/01/2007 7:19:59 PM PST by null and void (Let's play 6° of global warming...)
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To: blam

Nuclear Winter. 2012. You gotta go sometime.


50 posted on 03/01/2007 7:23:18 PM PST by montag813
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To: blam

So what they are saying is we have an immediate fix for "global warming" if it gets out of control. Therefore we no longer need to worry about "global warming".


51 posted on 03/01/2007 7:27:05 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: oyez
Its amazing that people get paid to recycle the same old crap year after year.

They get paid. I get slammed for telling a joke twice.

52 posted on 03/01/2007 7:30:35 PM PST by Don Carlos (Posting tasteless comments since 02/03/2002)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Tambora. Early 19th century. Ex-POTUS Thomas Jefferson kept a weather record.

Of course, the logbooks from Royal Navy vessels gave much broader picture of what was going on.

53 posted on 03/01/2007 7:31:31 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: blam
Hey, this is great! We're going to see the Greens lining up behind the President to oppose the Iranian nuclear weapons program now! I can't wait to see the massive pro-Bush demonstrations in Paris, Berlin, Rome, Ann Arbor, Madison, and Ithaca...probably by tomorrow, right?

[sound of crickets]

54 posted on 03/01/2007 7:37:24 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Are these the same "highly accurate" climate models that are predicting global warming? This in the face of Antarctica experiencing a net gain of over 29 billion tons of ice per year? LOL

And did they consider that the best way to kill population centers is with air-bursts, instead of cold-war style ground-bursts? (ground bursts being better at digging out hardened targets like your opponents missile silos) Further, that an air-burst is big on blast effects and radiation, but not so big on ground fires, dust, and fallout in the atmosphere?

Finally, did they look around? Who has 100 warheads? Or even 50 each side to toss at one another? Hmm, only the super-powers. If we start knocking out each other's population centers, it isn't going to stop there. Terrorist states and "limited" nuclear powers are only capable of tossing a hand full of weapons at each other. And that assumes they are willing to commit their entire arsenals, without keeping any strategic reserve... Doubtful at best...

Sounds like more hysteria and fear. Read "State of Fear" - it'll open your eyes.

55 posted on 03/01/2007 7:41:42 PM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: GSlob
"nuclear winter" - But dont'we have a global warming right now? the things will nicely balance off.

Perhaps that's the solution to global warming.Any time the climate starts to get too warm, just set off a few atmospheric a-bombs.

56 posted on 03/01/2007 8:11:03 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (The only thing standing between us and complete victory over the evildoers is POLITICS!)
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To: Real Cynic No More

Don't waste the good bombs on the 'atmospheric' but try to get two birds with the same stone and use it as an occasion for a bit of housecleaning.


57 posted on 03/01/2007 8:13:05 PM PST by GSlob
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
You can watch "Threads" in it's entirety here.

All I can say after seeing it, is "Thank God for Ronald Reagan putting an end to the Cold War."

58 posted on 03/01/2007 8:17:00 PM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: gobus1
Whether it is global warming, global cooling, or nuclear winter it will certainly be due to Republican abuse of the planet and will hit minorities the hardest.

Incorrect. Anything that could go wrong or anything that does go wrong since January is the fault of Pelosi and Reid. They are in charge now, as they have reminded us often.

59 posted on 03/01/2007 8:21:43 PM PST by jerry639
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
A large volcano explosion can toss up enough dirt and dust into the air to block enough sunlight to lower temperatures enough that crops fail; replacing one moderate volcano with a hundred nuclear explosions to cause a similar effect isn't such a stretch.

Of course this would bring up the most obvious question from the rest of the world and our wasteoids, "how can we blame America for it?"

60 posted on 03/01/2007 8:24:24 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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