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Brief history of the modern childlove movement
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Posted on 03/03/2007 9:23:28 AM PST by Calpernia

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To: Elyse

::shrugs:: I guess. I'm much more concerned about the people in post one that are listed members of this group.


101 posted on 03/10/2007 8:48:05 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
::shrugs:: I guess. I'm much more concerned about the people in post one that are listed members of this group.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to take away from the main message of your thread.

102 posted on 03/10/2007 8:54:26 AM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Elyse
No, you absolutely did not take away.

I'm just beyond horrified that we have officials that are members of this communist, pedophile organization and I'm beyond confused why nothing has been done.
103 posted on 03/10/2007 8:58:40 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I'm just beyond horrified that we have officials that are members of this communist, pedophile organization and I'm beyond confused why nothing has been done.

This is something I don't understand, too. The gay community is struggling for acceptance and wants people to understand that they are just normal people. Why would they let an organization like this take cover under their banner? This is, afterall, what people fear most about normalizing homosexuality - pedophilia, but instead of rejecting an organization that glorifies pedophilia, they embrace it.

It's hard to believe that the officials on that list are so blinded by political correctness that they go along with it all. I think either they agree with it or they are just pandering votes and they don't care where they get them from.

104 posted on 03/10/2007 9:21:47 AM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Elyse

Or, they are one of them? They are members.


105 posted on 03/10/2007 9:41:20 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Bump


106 posted on 03/10/2007 9:43:14 AM PST by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT.)
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>>>A second wind of activism came in 1979 when Hay founded, with Don Kilhefner, a spiritual movement known as the Radical Faeries. This pagan-inspired group continues internationally based on the principle that the consciousness of gays differs from that of heterosexuals. Hay believed that this different way of seeing constituted the greatest contribution gays made to society, and was indeed the reason for their continued presence throughout history.<<<

From their website:


radicalfaeries.net

At the footer of their splash page in dark font on dark background:

"Radical Faeries: We are a network of satyrs, sissies, butch leather queens, ceremonial drag queens, queers, pansies, activists, revolutionaries, workers, artists, farmers, witches, pagans, sacred fools, rural and urban dwellers who see gays, lesbians and transgenders as a distinct and unique people, with our own culture, our own spirituality and our own path of Being."

107 posted on 03/10/2007 11:00:45 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


108 posted on 03/10/2007 4:22:51 PM PST by Coleus (God gave us the right to life & self preservation & a right to defend ourselves, family & property)
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To: Calpernia

But, doesn't everybody love Rudy-toot?/sarc
Glad to see this thread get resurrected. The Rudy lovers need to have their faces rubbed in this.


109 posted on 03/10/2007 4:51:22 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Calpernia
So am I. I don't think I ever realized how much money & power the gays had until we were on that past thread and I starting reading up about Garden State Equality Group. They don't even hid their agenda. Its frightening to me. This might sound strange and crazy but I feel out numbered by them after reading and seeing all I have in the past few weeks. What in hell is wrong that these people have so much say in our children's lives? They don't live normally IMHO. Nobody is going to convince me that its ok to be gay. NEVER ~P~
110 posted on 03/10/2007 7:13:35 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Gorzaloon

111 posted on 03/10/2007 7:16:30 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: pandoraou812

It is that Human Rights Council (Campaign) that Jimmy Carter set up.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1681380/posts
Jimmy Carter: The Untold Story

http://www.cartercenter.org/doc2313.htm
Jimmy Carter: New U.N. Human Rights Council Raises Hope Worldwide

It enables Foreign influence (money) into U.S. politics

The head of HRC [Joe Solmonese] sits on the board of an organization whose top contributor is George Soros.

http://www.outletradio.com/grantham/archives/001775.php
HRC Confirms: Joe Solomonese Is New President and CEO


Gay.ru is a Soros-funded Moscow NGO that has developed "into an established and recognized Russian gay and lesbian center" and "the clearing house for lesbian and gay groups scattered across the country":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320747/posts?page=11#11

The Human Rights Campaign funds the Log Cabin Republicans and the Victory Funds (Democrats).


112 posted on 03/10/2007 7:46:22 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I have never like Carter either and my dad hates him. I am just disgusted. I try to tell people like my bus stop mom friends and I swear they think I am off my rocker...They just do not believe it is as bad as it is...I often c/p stuff & send it to them. People find it easier to be in denial. D@mn shame it is....~P~
113 posted on 03/10/2007 7:55:35 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: pandoraou812

That is because they don't hear it on the news.

Soros hit that first.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320747/posts
George Soros, Media Connections - Bump List

Think about it. If you weren't on FR, what would you think if someone was telling you all this and it wasn't on any news?


114 posted on 03/10/2007 8:02:26 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

No I wouldn't ....I have gotten a few people to join FR. I wish more people would get interested in finding out what is going on in the world in general. I have very sweet friends but most are... airheads in many ways. If it isn't sitting in their kitchens staring at them they tend to just go with the flow of things. I was able to get quite a few stirred up over That's A Family.....However until its right in our school they aren't going to really do much about it. I do the PTO meetings & I open my big mouth all the time. I also attend the Board of Ed meetings...I often question their spending. They just love me there I bet. I tell everyone if you don't go and question whats going on...then these people think they have free reign over our children. If you won't get involved then all my work isn't going to stop this bs....I need more concerned parents and the PTO /PTA's aren't so wonderful either. The PTA is a sponsor of That's A Family. I will be d@mned if the funds our children raise with all those stupid fund raisers will go to buy movies that push for gay agenda and gay propaganda. I think its time more normal people got off their lazy arses and questioned the actions of the PTA/PTO and the school boards ...When a school shows a movie to your children without you knowing and agreeing to the contents of that movie its too late. People are far too trusting of public schools. And I think they are just too lazy to get involved I am sad to say. ~P~


115 posted on 03/10/2007 8:47:41 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: areafiftyone; Sunsong; FairOpinion; DKNY; Cincinatus' Wife

Rudy ping.


116 posted on 03/16/2007 8:15:43 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: shoebooty
The Spartans believed that the love of an older, accomplished aristocrat for an adolescent boy was essential to his formation as a free citizen. The education of the ruling class was thus founded on pederastic relationships, required of each citizen.[5] The ephors fined any eligible man who did not love a boy, because, despite his own excellence, he failed to make a beloved “similar to himself.”[6] Likewise, for a boy it was a disgrace to not find a lover,[7]. By the time they reached the age of twelve "there was not any of the more hopeful boys who did not have a lover to bear him company."[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_pederasty

117 posted on 03/16/2007 8:19:32 AM PDT by x_plus_one (As long as we pretend to not be fighting Iran in Iraq, we can't pretend to win the war.)
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From below:

>>>The Stonewall was an inviting target – operated by the Gambino crime family without a liquor license, the dance bar drew a crowd of drag queens, hustlers, and minors. <<<

And also, to get into the Stonewall, you knock and say, "A Mary sent me."

I put a mary sent me into google and found this site:

http://www.dearmary.com/

It looks pretty threatening towards Dick Cheney's daughter.



Remembering Stonewall premiered July 1, 1989

GEANNE HARWOOD: I'm Geanne Harwood, and my age is 80.

BRUCE MERROW: I'm Bruce Merrow.

HARWOOD: I don't know if it's really true, but now people do refer to us as the two oldest gay men in America. We do, I think, have maybe a record relationship of almost sixty years together.

Being gay before Stonewall was a very difficult proposition because we felt that in order to survive we had to try to look and act as rugged and manly as possible to get by in the society that was really very much against us.

RANDY WICKER: My name is Randy Wicker. I was the first openly gay person to appear on radio in 1962 and on television in 1964 as a self-identified homosexual.

In the year before Stonewall people felt a need to hide because of the precarious legal position they were in. They would lose their jobs. There was a great hostility socially speaking in the sense of people found out you were gay, they assumed you were a communist or a child molester or any of another dozen stereotypes that were rampant in the public media at the time.

JHERI FAIRE: I'm Jheri Faire and I'm 80 years old. I started a gay lifestyle in 1948, when I was around 39 or 40.

At that time, if there was even a suspicion that you were a lesbian, you were fired from your job. And you were in such a position of disgrace that you slunk out without saying goodbye even to the people that liked you and you liked. You never even bothered to clean your desk. You just disappeared. You just disappeared -- you went quietly because you were afraid that the recriminations that would come if you even stood there and protested would be worse than just leaving.

SYLVIA RIVERA: My name is Sylvia Rivera. My name before that was Ray Rivera, until I started dressing in drag in 1961.

The era before Stonewall was a hard era. There was always the gay bashings on the drag queens by heterosexual men, women, and the police. We learned to live with it because it was part of the lifestyle at that time, I guess, but none of us were very happy about it.

SEYMOUR PINE: My name is Seymour Pine. In 1968, I was assigned as Deputy Inspector in charge of public morals in the first division in the police department, which covered the Greenwich Village area. It was the duty of Public Morals to enforce all laws concerning vice and gambling, including prostitution, narcotics, and laws and regulations concerning homosexuality. The part of the penal code which applied to drag queens was Section 240.35, section 4: "Being masked or in any manner disguised by unusual or unnatural attire or facial alteration; loiters, remains, or congregates in a public place with other persons so masked . . ."

(Pine continues reading under Rivera's voice and then fades out.)

RIVERA: At that time we lived at the Arista Hotel. We used to sit around, just try to figure out when this harassment would come to an end. And we would always dream that one day it would come to an end. And we prayed and we looked for it. We wanted to be human beings.

(Bar noise.)

RED MAHONEY: My name is Red Mahoney. I've been hanging out drinking, partying, and working in the gay bars for the last thirty years. In the era before Stonewall, all of the bars, 90% of the bars, were Mafia controlled. There wasn't that many gay bars. You'd have maybe one, two uptown on the Upper East Side. They would get closed down. Then there'd be one or two on the west side, they'd get closed down. In midtown there'd be one, two, three, maybe open. As they would get closed down they would move around. And they were dumps.

JOAN NESTLE: I'm Joan Nestle, co-founder of what is now the largest collection of lesbian culture in the world. The police raided lesbian bars regularly, and they did it . . . they both did it in the most obvious way, which was hauling women away in paddy wagons. But there was regular weekend harassment, which would consist of the police coming in regularly to get their payoffs. And in the Sea Colony, we had a back room with a red light. And when that red light went on it meant the police would be arriving in around ten minutes. And so we all had to sit down at our tables, and we would be sitting there almost like school children, and the cops would come in. Now depending on who was on, which cop was on, if it was some that really resented the butch women who were with many times very beautiful women, we knew we were in for it because what would happen is they would start harassing one of these women, and saying, "Ha, you think you're a man? Come outside and we'll show you." And the woman would be dragged away. They'd throw her up against a wall and they'd say, "So, you think you're a man, let's see what you got in your pants." And they would put their hand down her pants.

MAHONEY: The Stonewall? Oh, that was a good bar. That was. Just to get into the Stonewall, you'd walk up and you'd knock on the front door. You'd knock and the little door would open and "What do you want?" "A Mary sent me." "Good, come on in girls." You know. The Stonewall, like all gay bars at that time, were painted black. Charcoal black. And what was the funny part, the place would be so dimly lit -- but as soon as the cops were gonna come in to collect their percentage or whatever they were coming in for, from it being a nice, dimly-lit dump, the place was lit up like Luna Park.

PINE: You felt, well, two guys -- and that's very often all we sent in would be two men -- could handle two hundred people. I mean, you tell them to leave and they leave, and you say show me your identification and they all take out their identification and file out and that's it. And you say, okay, you're not a man, you're a woman, or you're vice versa and you wait over there. I mean, this was a kind of power that you have and you never gave it a second thought.

RIVERA: The drag queens took a lot of oppression and we had to . . . we were at a point where I guess nothing would have stopped us. I guess, as they say, or as Shakespeare says, we were ladies in waiting, just waiting for the thing to happen. And when it did happen, we were there.

(Sound of footsteps, outside sounds.)

DAVE ISAY: On Friday evening, June 27, 1969, at about 11: 45, eight officers from New York City's public morals squad loaded into four unmarked police cars and headed to the Stonewall Inn here at 7th Avenue and Christopher Street. The local precinct had just received a new commanding officer, who kicked off his tenure by initiating a series of raids on gay bars. The Stonewall was an inviting target – operated by the Gambino crime family without a liquor license, the dance bar drew a crowd of drag queens, hustlers, and minors. A number of the bar's patrons had spent the early part of the day outside the Frank Campbell Funeral Home, where Judy Garland's funeral was held. She had died the Sunday before. It was almost precisely at midnight that the morals squad pulled up to the Stonewall Inn, led by Deputy Inspector, Seymour Pine.

PINE: There was never any reason to feel that anything of any unusual situation would occur that night.

RIVERA: You could actually feel it in the air. You really could. I guess Judy Garland's death just really helped us really hit the fan.

PINE: For some reason, things were different this night. As we were bringing the prisoners out, they were resisting.

(Riot sounds in the background.)

RIVERA: People started gathering in front of the Sheridan Square Park right across the street from Stonewall. People were upset -- "No, we're not going to go!" and people started screaming and hollering.

PINE: One drag queen, as we put her in the car, opened the door on the other side and jumped out. At which time we had to chase that person and he was caught, put back into the car, he made another attempt to get out the same door, the other door, and at that point we had to handcuff the person. From this point on, things really began to get crazy.

BIRDY: My name is Robert Rivera and my nickname is Birdy, and I've been cross-dressing all of my life. I remember the night of the riots, the police were escorting queens out of the bar and into the paddy wagon and there was this one particularly outrageously beautiful queen, with stacks and stacks of Elizabeth style, Elizabeth Taylor style hair, and she was asking them not to push her. And they continued to push her, and she turned around and she mashed the cop with her high heel. She knocked him down and then she proceeded to frisk him for the keys to the handcuffs that were on her. She got them and she undid herself and passed them to another queen that was behind her.

PINE: Well that's when all hell broke loose at that point. And then we had to get back into Stonewall.

HOWARD SMITH: My name is Howard Smith. On the night of the Stonewall riots I was a reporter for the Village Voice, locked inside with the police, covering it for my column. It really did appear that that crowd – because we could look through little peepholes in the plywood windows, we could look out and we could see that the crowd – well, my guess was within five, ten minutes it was probably several thousand people. Two thousand easy. And they were yelling "Kill the cops! Police brutality! Let's get 'em! We're not going to take this anymore! Let's get 'em!"

PINE: We noticed a group of persons attempting to uproot one of the parking meters, at which they did succeed. And they then used that parking meter as a battering ram to break down the door. And they did in fact open the door -- they crashed it in -- and at that point was when they began throwing Molotov cocktails into the place. It was a situation that we didn't know how we were going to be able control.

RIVERA: I remember someone throwing a Molotov cocktail. I don't know who the person was, but I mean I saw that and I just said to myself in Spanish, I said. oh my God, the revolution is finally here! And I just like started screaming "Freedom! We're free at last!" You know. It felt really good.

SMITH: There were a couple of cops stationed on either side of the door with their pistols, like in combat stance, aimed in the door area. A couple of others were stationed in other places, behind like a pole, another one behind the bar. All of them with their guns ready. I don't think up to that point I had ever seen cops that scared.

PINE: Remember these were pros, but everybody was frightened. There's no question about that. I know I was frightened, and I'd been in combat situations, and there was never any time that I felt more scared than I felt that night. And, I mean, you know there was no place to run.

RIVERA: Once the tactical police force showed up, I think that really incited us a little bit more.

MARTIN BOYCE: My name is Martin Boyce and in 1969 I was a drag queen known as Miss Martin. I remember on that night when we saw the riot police, all of us drag queens, we linked arms, like the Rockettes, and sang this song we used to sing. (singing) "We are the Village girls, we wear our hair in curls. We wear our dungarees above our nellie knees." And the police went crazy hearing that and they just immediately rushed us. We gave one kick and fled.

RUDY: My name is Rudy and the night of the Stonewall I was 18 and to tell you the truth, that night I was doing more running than fighting. I remember looking back from 10th Street, and there on Waverly Street there was a police, I believe on his . . . a cop and he is on his stomach in his tactical uniform and his helmet and everything else, with a drag queen straddling him. She was beating the hell out of him with her shoe. Whether it was a high heel or not, I don't know. But she was beating the hell out of him. It was hysterical.

MAMA JEAN: My name is Mama Jean. I'm a lesbian. I remember on that night I was in the gay bar, a woman's bar, called Cookies. We were coming out of the gay bar going toward 8th Street, and that's when we saw everything happening. Blasting away. People getting beat up. Police coming from every direction -- hitting women as well as men with their nightsticks. Gay men running down the street with blood all over their face. We decided right then and there, whether we're scared or not we didn't think about, we just jumped in.

(Song and riot sounds.)

RIVERA: Here this queen is going completely bananas, you know jumping on, hitting the windshield. The next thing you know, the taxicab was being turned over. The cars were being turned over, windows were shattering all over the place, fires were burning around the place. It was beautiful, it really was. It was really beautiful.

MAMA JEAN: I remember one cop coming at me, hitting me with the nightstick on the back of my legs. I broke loose and I went after him. I grabbed his nightstick. My girlfriend went behind him -- she was a strong son of a gun. I wanted him to feel the same pain that I felt. And I kept saying to him, "How do you like the pain? Do you like it? Do you like it?" And I kept on hitting him and hitting him. I was angry. I wanted to kill him. At that particular minute I wanted to kill him.

RIVERA: I wanted to do every destructive thing that I could think of at that time to hurt anyone that had hurt us through the years.

MAMA JEAN: It's like just when you see a man protecting his own life. They weren't the "queens" that people call them, they were men fighting for their lives. And I'd fight along side them any day, no matter how old I was.

RIVERA: A lot of heads were bashed. But it didn't hurt their true feelings -- they all came back for more and more. Nothing -- that's when you could tell that nothing could stop us at that time or any time in the future.

(Music: "I'll be loving you every time I love again . . .")

ISAY: The riots were well covered in the media. The New York Daily News featured it on the front page. There were reports on all of the local television and radio stations. By the next day, graffiti calling for gay power had started to show up all over the West Village. The next night, thousands of men and women came back to the Stonewall to see what would happen next. While a couple of trashcans were set on fire and some stones were thrown, the four-hundred riot police milling around outside the bar ensured that the previous evening's violence would not be repeated. But on this night, gay couples could be spotted walking hand in hand and kissing in the streets. Just by being at the Stonewall -- surrounded by reporters, photographers, and onlookers -- thousands of men and women were proclaiming that they were gay. The crowds grew and came back the next night and for one more night the following week. What happened at the Stonewall on those nights helped to usher in a new era for gay men and lesbians.

HARWOOD: When Stonewall happened, Bruce and I were still in the closet, where we had been for nearly forty years. But we realized that this was a tremendous thing that had happened at Stonewall and it gave us a feeling that we were not going to be remaining closeted for very much longer. And soon thereafter, we did come out of the closet.

JINNY APPUZO: My name is Jinny Apuzo. In 1969 I was in the convent. And when Stonewall hit the press, it hit me with a bolt of lightening. It was as if I had an incredible release of my own outrage at having to sequester so much of my life. I made my way down, I seem to recall in subsequent nights being down on the, you know, kind of just on the periphery looking. An observer -- clearly an observer. Clearly longing to have that courage to come out. And as I recall it was only a matter of weeks before I left the convent and started a new life.

HENRY BAIRD: I am Henry Baird. In 1969 I was in the US Army, a specialist 3 stationed at Long Bend Post near Saigon, in Vietnam. I remember I was having lunch in the army mess, reading the armed forces news summary of the day, and there was a short paragraph describing a riot led by homosexuals in Greenwich Village against the police. And my heart was filled with joy. I thought about what I had read frequently, but I had no one to discuss it with. And secretly within myself I decided that when I came back stateside, if I should survive to come back stateside, I would come out as a gay person and I did.

PINE: For those of us in Public Morals, after the Stonewall incident things were completely changed from what they had previously been. They suddenly were not submissive anymore. They now suddenly had gained a new type of courage. And it seemed as if they didn't care anymore about whether their identities were made known. We were now dealing with human beings.

FAIRE: Today I live in a senior citizen apartment building. What's different now is that I can be free. I have a daughter who is a senior citizen and my son is 58. They know about my homosexuality. My three grandchildren in their thirties know about their grandmother. I have a great-granddaughter who at the age of ten learned that Grandma Jheri was a lesbian and she thought that was most interesting. And yet I still don't have the personal courage to not care if these yentas in the building know that Jheri's a lesbian.

PINE: Well, I retired from the police department in 1976. Twenty years have passed. I'm going to be 70 in a few months. I still don't know the answers. I would still like to know the answers. I would like to know whether I was wrong or whether I was right in ever thinking that there was a difference, in ever thinking that maybe you shouldn't trust a homosexual because something is missing in his personality.

NESTLE: The archives of lesbian culture, which surrounds us now and was created four years after Stonewall, owes, at least for my part, it's creation to that night and the courage that found its voice in the streets. That night, in some very deep way, we finally found our place in history. Not as a dirty joke, not as a doctor's case study, not as a freak -- but as a people.

RIVERA: Today I'm a 38-year-old drag queen. I can keep my long hair, I can pluck my eyebrows, and I can work wherever the hell I want. And I'm not going to change for anybody. If I changed, then I feel that I'm losing what 1969 brought into my life, and that was to be totally free.

(Music: "How can I ever close the door and be the same as I was before?")

ISAY: I'm David Isay.

Producer: David Isay with Michael Schirker / Editor: Amy Goodman / Mix engineer: Spider Ryder at WNYC / Funding provided by the Pacifica National Program Fund. Photograph by Harvey Wang.



118 posted on 03/16/2007 8:23:20 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Where do you find this stuff? LOL


119 posted on 03/16/2007 8:33:51 AM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Calpernia
Although NAMBLA itself has never been prosecuted, there have been a number of prosecutions of alleged NAMBLA members for sexual offences involving children or adolescents.

I saw a story on the Boston Fox affiliate last night, that the family of Jeffrey Curley, a nine year old boy who was murdered, THEN sodomized by two men several years ago, filed suit against NAMBLA, and, after a year, they are STILL waiting for a ruling by the judge. They are maintaining that the perps kidnapped their son using suggestions from a NAMBLA website. There were materials in one of the perp's cars that had been printed from that website which essentially told men how to lure young boys and provided information about how to gain their trust. Jeffrey's father says that NAMBLA should be held partly responsible for his son's death because they told the perps how to do it.

120 posted on 03/16/2007 8:35:45 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: pissant

It was from a Documentary in 1989 on Remembering Stonewall.


121 posted on 03/16/2007 8:39:25 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Diago; SuziQ

If you want to see those materials, this MIT law professor has them:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1794584/posts?page=83#83

And Diago posted this last night:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1801700/posts
Planned Parenthood & Child Predators

There is information on that thread about NAMBLA being, well, let's use the correct phrase, about NAMBLA being STONEWALLED from connections to child molestation.


122 posted on 03/16/2007 8:44:53 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
"Does this quack?"


Does this sh*t in the woods? :)
123 posted on 03/16/2007 8:51:43 AM PDT by FortWorthPatriot
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To: Calpernia
By 2012 the NAMBLA positions will be an integral part of the Democratic Party platform.

There is no perversion beneath their "tolerance" and "acceptance".

:-(
124 posted on 03/16/2007 8:57:52 AM PDT by cgbg (Algore's carbon footprint is exceeded only by his waistline.)
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To: Calpernia

I don't know what to think. I liked it when they were in the closet personally . I never wondered as a child about the 2 spinsters who lived together across the street from me. I knew there was something different about some people but I never knew what. I had my childhood & it was free of gays wanting me to see movies about its ok to be gay etc. There wasn't all this gay bs out inthe open. I don't care about them being gay as long as they leave their d@mn gay bs out of the schools. Thats where I draw the line. Of course its too late for my feelings, not that they would matter. I saw a bunch of these drag queens in Asbury Park once. They sure were big ladies(?) and that were all painted up with lipstick all smeared and blue eye shadow. I felt they were more insulting to women because I don't know any women who look like they did. ewwwwww If they want to be gay and they don't push their bs on my child I don't care. As for the Mafia...well they make their money wherever they want to. I am not messing with them .lol.


125 posted on 03/16/2007 11:18:00 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Calpernia

heh. I notice one of 'em in the documentary was named "rudy"


126 posted on 03/16/2007 3:34:46 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: dynachrome

The age is right.


127 posted on 03/16/2007 4:18:24 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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LGBT + Stonewall



Little Pride on the Prairie
June 10, 2006
by Christopher Renner

Each June across the nation and around the world LGBT people gather to celebrate with pride the Stonewall Riots that marked the beginning of the modern LGBT civil rights movement. Kansas is no exception to this collective effort to affirm our dignity and worth.

This year the Xcalibur Club, Junction City Teddy Bears and KEC-Flint Hills are joining together to present Little Pride on the Prairie, an event for the Manhattan/Junction City/Salina area as well as for any Kansan (or Missourian) wanting to join with other LGBT people and their allies to celebrate our uniqueness.

Gates open at 11:00AM and a BBQ lunch will be served at 2:00PM. Guests are invited to bring a dish to share; burgers, hot dogs, chicken, brisket, condiments, tea and lemonade are furnished by the organizers. “Were hoping for a hundred plus attendees and there is always plenty to eat,” Said Mark Beatty, Xcalibur owner and Pride Fest Chair.

“We’ve got a great committee and we should thank them, the patrons of the club and sponsors who make it possible.”
Entertainment will include the conclusion of Queer Pfactor, drag races, a horseshoe pitching contest, and a massive tug-o-war. Queer Pfactor, based on the popular Fear Factor reality program, will give participants an opportunity to engage in one-of–a-kind queerly-inspired events; it promises to provide fun and laughs for the whole family! There will also be raffles and prizes occurring throughout the day.

Queer Pfactor started on Friday, May 26, at Xcalibur Club, and competitions are being held on each Friday in June. One winner from each of the four weeks will compete in the finals to be held at Little Pride on the Prairie. Event host Brock Hard and this year’s Ms Trailer Trash, Pat E. Cakes, have promised to “Kick it up a notch.” The winner will receive a vacation package for two to Eureka Springs, AR, Diversity Weekend valued at over $400. Mr. Hard and Ms Trailer Trash said, “We are grateful for the donations from the Eureka Springs merchants. It’s a great package. We do have an entry fee for the contestants to offset the costs for the event but that way we don’t have to charge cover.” Sign up early at the club because only the first twelve candidates compete each night. More info at http://www.xcaliburclub.com/events/pfactor.htm.

Little Pride on the Prairie is a family-friendly event. Special activities are planned for children and young adults, including a massive water balloon fight after lunch. Swimming and fishing are also available. Bring your own lawn chairs, towels, swimsuits, sunscreen, toys, bug spray, ice/cooler and beverages, extra clothes – everything you would need for an afternoon of fun.

The event also marks the 10th anniversary of the JC Teddy Bears. The Junction City Teddy Bears, Inc. is a nonprofit gay men’s club formed to bring together for social and entertainment purposes those individuals with common interests as bears, cubs, and their admirers. They sponsor contests, benefits, raffles, campouts, picnics, and such throughout their member service area. They will also celebrate their birthday at another event later in the summer.

Little Pride on the Prairie will be held at Farnum Creek Park, Milford Lake, easily accessible from I-70. Take the US 77 exit on the west side of Junction City and go north 10.9 miles to Farnum Creek State Park. Turn left into the park and take the first right to Group Site #1; go all the way to the end of the road.


128 posted on 03/18/2007 7:35:50 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Stonewall and more affiliates:


LGBT Political Groups Step Forward
July 28, 2006
by John Long

Click For Full Size With the Kansas primary on August 1, the Missouri primary on August 8, and general elections in November, there are a lot of people pounding the pavement on behalf of their candidates.

Kansas and Missouri have several political groups working hard on behalf of their candidates and the issues. It may surprise people that there are so many groups in the LGBT community that live and breathe politics as these people do. But their memberships and activism has never been stronger.

Four Freedoms Democratic Club; the Kansas City Chapter of the Human Rights Campaign (HRC); Kansas Equality Coalition; KC Pride Democratic Club and PROMO are all working to effect change in the political process.

Some of the groups have spent the spring and summer sending out questionnaires and conducting interviews with candidates. Endorsements can be found at these groups websites, in the sidebar to this article, and in ads in this issue of Camp.

Four Freedoms Democratic Club
Jim MacDonald is the new interim president of Four Freedoms, a role he has just assumed since Kirby McCullough had to step down for business reasons. Four Freedoms, like KC Pride Democratic Club, is an affiliate of the National Stonewall Democrats. “We’re the first and oldest Democratic political club for the LGBT community in Kansas City,” MacDonald said.

“Four Freedoms tends to view ourselves as a descendent of HRP, the Human Rights Project, the group that was formed specifically to pass the human rights ordinance in Kansas City and other non-discrimination laws. A lot of the folks that were involved in that helped with the formation of Four Freedoms. HRP died a natural death and a few years later, from its ashes, emerged the Four Freedoms.”

MacDonald credits local community activist Kevin Hennosy for coming up with the name for the group, based on the FDR speech about the Four Freedoms: freedom of speech and expression, freedom of worship, freedom from want, and freedom from fear.

The club is “really an acknowledgement of the fact that LGBT people were now part of the political mainstream of the Democratic party, not just nationally but locally,” MacDonald said. “Evidence of that is Tim van Zandt, who was the first out gay elected official probably of any type in the State of Missouri and certainly in the State Legislature. He was one of the founders of the club.”

Asked about the differences between KC Pride and Four Freedoms, MacDonald said, “The differences in my mind are minor.. . . We tend to focus on a broader geographic area. We cover Jackson, Clay, and Platte counties and we’ll accept requests from endorsements from any candidates in those counties. KC Pride focuses exclusively on Kansas City south of the River, the urban core.” He added, “They would say that they are more grassroots and have a more diverse membership racially and socioeconomic ally. I’ve never compared the numbers but they’re proud of that, so that’s another distinction.”

“The two clubs screen candidates together if it’s a race that we’re both screening in. And then we go off and make our own separate endorsements and sometimes the endorsements differ.”

“There have been times when we’ve had a candidate pursuing our endorsement that we’ve chosen not to endorse, even though they’re better than their opponent. The best example of that is in the wake of the “No on 2”gay marriage amendment campaign. A lot of Democrats backstabbed us and voted in favor of the constitutional amendment, even though they had been generally good on our issues prior to that. That year we used that issue as a litmus test, though usually we tend not to have a litmus test in any formal sense. If you voted for the amendment you did not get our endorsement. The good thing is that there were still plenty of people for us to endorse since there were at least half a dozen Democrats in this metropolitan area that voted against it.”

After the August primaries, Four Freedoms will start focusing on the City Council races next February. “We’ll work informally for Claire (McCaskill) and then we’re going to begin screening for the City Council races,” he said.

MacDonald said it’s going to be a tough race between Jolie Justus, their endorsed candidate for State Senator, and her three Democratic opponents in the August primary. He said a telephone poll in describing Justus among the other three candidates, asks “Would it influence your vote if you knew that her top priority if elected would be to overturn the ban on gay marriage in the state of Missouri?” “We’ll never know who did it,” he said in talking about whether or not the poll was done by a 3rd party group or one of Justus’s opponents. It does help, he says, that there are no major issues to vote on in the primary which could have drawn more conservatives to the polls. “Jolie’s camp is thrilled that the Rolling Roof is not on the ballot” he joked.

Four Freedoms is a membership organization with dues of $35 for local and an extra $10 for national membership said MacDonald. “We have one fundraiser a year and we never have more than $10,000 in the bank. We’re just a small grassroots organization.”

Human Rights Campaign (HRC)
Based in Washington, D.C., HRC is both a federal PAC and a membership organization. A Kansas City chapter of HRC group was formed only formed two years ago. (See the story on Joe Solmonese, President of HRC, on page 23 in this issue of Camp.)

Kevin Hager, co-chair of the Political Committee for Kansas City HRC, is also a member of the Kansas Equality Coalition and has been active in the gay community since coming out to his family and forming a gay/straight alliance at Shawnee Mission Northwest High School. He is currently the manager of Mel Solomon’s campaign for the 4th District City Council seat.

Though the actual steering committee in Kansas City is only about two years old, it has a mailing list of over 2,500 names. Hager said one of the big challenges is to get more participation at HRC events. “Our biggest difficulty right now is activating those people. We’ll do a really great Town Hall and get 100 people. So where are the other 2,400 people we know of in Kansas City?”

Hager said that the national group is increasing its focus on helping in state races, especially the eleven they’ve identified as needing special attention this year. (Missouri and Kansas are not in that group). There is a budget for local events. “We did a Keith Boykin Town Hall at UMKC and a Transgender Town Hall at KU,” he said. HRC also helped sponsor with PROMO the recent Take Action meeting at the Lesbian and Gay Community Center and the spring benefit with UMKC’s LGBT office for the Keith Boykin presentation. They hold regular meetings, such as Third Thursdays at a restaurant in town and they are scheduling a “Tee Off for Equality” Golf Tournament on August 26.

Since HRC operates on a national level, “We’ve worked with the federal candidates enough now that we know exactly how to create some leverage there. As always, it’s with money and volunteers, so we’re stepping up fundraising for candidates and we’re trying to really get our members to volunteer locally for the primaries and then more at the federal level as we get closer to the November elections.” They are looking at ways they can help both Dennis Moore in Kansas and Emanuel Cleaver in Missouri in their 2006 Congressional races.

Asked about how they work with the other political groups in Kansas City, Hager said “We’re only two years old and I’ve been the co-chair of the Political Committee since its beginning, so I came in when I was 21. I was brand new to all these organizations so I feel just I’m just getting to a place where I know the people that are out there and we’re really starting to form effective partnerships.”

Kansas Equality Coalition

Tom Witt is Chair of the Kansas Equality Coalition, a new 501(c)4 group of LGBT and allied supporters in Kansas. As its website describes the group as: “The Kansas Equality Coalition is a new, unified statewide group of fair-minded people who are determined to end discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. We seek to ensure the dignity, safety and legal equality of all Kansans. We are nonpartisan and include people who are religious and secular as well as straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered. We are from all walks of life and from all parts of the state.”

The coalition has chapters in Lawrence, Topeka, Wichita, Flint Hills, Southwest Kansas, and Johnson County. KEC started with five existing Kansas groups that had been operating independently and added the Johnson County chapter recently. A seventh chapter in Salina, now in provisional status, will be called the North Central Chapter.

Kansas for Justice and Equality Project, one of the original 5 groups, will be transitioning as the KEC PAC. Describing the formation of the group, Witt says, “We took the biggest gay egos in the state of Kansas, got them all in a room, actually a series of meeting rooms all last summer, and we argued about ways to find agreement. We started in June and ended in October. We met every three weeks in a different place in the state.”

The group is also forming a foundation, the Kansas Equality Foundation. The local chapters raise money and send part of it to the statewide organization, keeping a share for local initiatives. Tom Witt gave a few examples of how local chapters use their funds: The Flint Hills chapter in Manhattan is working to add sexual orientation to the City’s Human Rights Ordinance. The Wichita Chapter sponsored the Pride Parade and Festival: “Pedro Irigonegaray, the civil rights attorney, was our keynote speaker, and gave a real barn-burner of a keynote speech.” The Lawrence and Topeka chapters hired lobbyists to work their issues, and the Johnson County Chapter was one of the biggest fundraisers for AIDS Walk.

Witt is particularly pleased about the Southwest Kansas Chapter. “We formed a chapter in the most unlikely spot in the whole state of Kansas. There has never been a gay rights organization in Dodge City—ever—in the history of Kansas. And we now have a chapter there. It has 30 members.”

KC Pride Democratic Club
Barely four years old, KC Pride is the second of two Kansas City LGBT Democratic clubs along with Four Freedoms. In a city the size of Kansas City two Democratic clubs in the LGBT community might seem unusual, yet each has found its own place in the political processes.

John “Coach” Comstock, a Kansas City native and president of KC Pride, is a high school teacher in Kansas. Among the founders of the group are Terry Norman, who ran for State Representative that year, Calvin Williford, the late Roger Goodin, Van Buckley, Jim MacDonald, and Comstock.

“A key difference is that we are membership driven, [Four Freedoms"> are Executive Board-driven. Any endorsements that we do have to go through our membership. And you have to be a member for 30 days or longer before you can vote,” Comstock said.

“We also have tried and are pretty close to being 100% successful in trying to have at least one meeting where candidates can come and speak in front of our members before they vote.”

“The other big difference, I see, is that we do a lot of work on outreach of coalition building with outside groups that are friendly to LGBT. We work with several union groups.”

“ We share a room out at Truman Days with the firefighters. We see them as a strong group that can continue to build different ideas,” Comstock said. He gave an example of the domestic partnership benefit that the prosecutor’s office was trying to get through the legislature. “The other groups that were representing the prosecutors and the paralegals were the firefighters and the carpenters. And they were the ones that called us and saying ‘hey, we’ve got to have your support because part of this whole deal is domestic partnership.’”

“Our third difference from Four Seasons is that we are a little bit more concentrated, partly because we are still so new. We really concentrate on what is going to affect the main corridor of downtown through midtown to Brookside because that is the where we have the highest number of LGBT businesses/residents in Kansas City. We see that as our strongest place to be effective.”

“We’re not afraid to step into an issue. A few years back Mayor Barnes came and asked for our endorsement of the bus increase. We know that there are enough of the LGBT community that uses mass transit in midtown to get to the Free Health Clinic or whatever they need to get to because they can’t afford transportation, so we see it as an issue. The stadium issue was not a strong issue for us or for our community, so we didn’t take a stand.”

KC Pride has 45 paid members, since they are a young organization, and a much larger e-mail list. The group just held a fundraiser and auction that raised more than $12,000. Their goals are to substantially increase paid membership.

Their endorsements are listed on the website and they will be mailing out a sample ballot before the August 8 primary. The group informally helps candidates with canvassing and does whatever else it can to help their candidates. “I go to almost any fundraiser for our candidates,” said Comstock, “I try and show support for them.”

PROMO
A statewide group with offices in St. Louis, Kansas City and Springfield, Missouri, PROMO is celebrating its 20th anniversary this year. Sarah Finken is the new regional field organizer in Kansas City. Don Dressel is senior field organizer in Springfield, and the main office in St. Louis office is staffed by Julie Brueggemann, executive director, and A.J. Pupillo, membership coordinator.

Although only in her role at PROMO since April 10, Sarah Finken is well known to many Kansas Citians from her former work with GLSEN and as volunteer Chair of the Youth Hospitality Committee for the November 2006 Creating Change Conference in Kansas City.

PROMO is both a membership organization and a political action committee (PAC) supported by individual donations and grants. Finken began her job by training with Dressel and Brueggemann and developing a plan for the area. “With the Jolie Justus race, I would like to get more volunteers involved from PROMO It’s a pretty exciting time to get started with this.”

Finken recently organized a “Take Action” meeting on July 12 with Kelly Anthony, regional field director for the Human Rights Campaign, and several speakers from local campaigns. She was pleased that at least 30 people came to the first meeting of this type which was organized to encourage people to step forward and volunteer to help candidates, including canvassing for votes. Anthony said, “We’ve been holding these meetings all over the country and thirty is a good number.”

PROMO has played a key role in fighting for the rights of LGBT Missourians. With the assistance of the ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri, they were recently successful in the battle for foster parenting won by gay Missourians Lisa Johnston and Dawn Roginski for now all LGBT parents in Missouri. PROMO will continue to introduce legislation in Jefferson City to protect the rights of Missourians.

PROMO’s next event will be the Equality Summit August 26 in Columbia. For more information see their links under events, legislation and issues on their website: www.promooline.org.

Four Freedoms Democratic Club
www.fourfreedoms.org
(816) 881-1140
Monthly membership meetings are held on the first Thursday of the month at 6:00pm - location varies (call to inquire).

HRC Kansas City
www.hrc.org/kansascity
Monthly meetings every third Thursday from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. at Frondizi’s Ristorante, 4558 Main St., Kansas City MO 64112

Kansas Equality Coalition
www.kansasequalitycoalition.org
Meetings and contact information varies by Kansas Chapter. See website for specific information on each chapter.

KC Pride Democratic Club
www.kcpridedemocrats.com
(816) 523-3135 admin@kcpridedemocrats.com
Check their website, phone or e-mail for information on events and membership.

PROMO
www.promoonline.org
816-931-2300
Check website for information on events in Kansas City and throughout the state. Next events are PROMO’s 20th Anniversary Celebration in St. Louis July 29 and Equality Summit in Columbia on August 26.


129 posted on 03/18/2007 7:49:42 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Killing these vermin should be considered a misdemeanor ,or more like a public service
130 posted on 03/20/2007 8:20:50 PM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: Charlespg

With people that make the laws as members, now we know why child molesters have such light sentences.


131 posted on 03/20/2007 8:27:12 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Charlespg

Come over here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1803808/posts
Church of Satan rumors, Procter and Gamble awarded $19M

See my post 7 and 11.


132 posted on 03/20/2007 8:32:28 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Even if this got pung out when you posted it, I’ll ping it out tomorrow!


133 posted on 05/16/2007 8:42:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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To: Calpernia; 230FMJ; 49th; 50mm; 69ConvertibleFirebird; AFA-Michigan; Agitate; Aleighanne; ...
I don't know if this got pinged out a few years ago, but it's very relevant now. Anyone who thinks Giuliani would appoint conservative justices for the Supreme Court is smoking some strong stuff.

Lots of info and links in case anyone isn't sure of the connection between the homosexual agenda and pedophilia.

And check out the names here, you'll recognize many of them.

Homosexual Agenda and Moral Absolutes Ping!

Freepmail wagglebee or little jeremiah to subscribe or unsubscribe from the homosexual agenda or moral absolutes ping lists.

FreeRepublic homosexual agenda keyword search
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134 posted on 05/17/2007 11:16:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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To: little jeremiah

I’M not smoking anything, and I read the date wrong. This was posted a couple of months ago, not YEARS ago!

duh...


135 posted on 05/17/2007 11:19:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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To: Calpernia

Anyone who dares touch my son is a dead man.

That’s a guarantee.


136 posted on 05/17/2007 11:22:40 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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Now I find that wagglebee pinged this out two months ago.

I hang my head in shame and will crawl off to bed, where I should have gone a while ago.


137 posted on 05/17/2007 11:51:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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To: little jeremiah

There has been a lot of information added since wagglebee pinged it anyway. Thanks for the ping.


138 posted on 05/18/2007 4:51:30 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Just WOW. That list contains just about every NY politician, AND Robert Kennedy Jr.!

This should get out, as I and I am sure many others, did not know this!


139 posted on 05/18/2007 10:19:46 AM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Calpernia

Soro’s, in my opinion, is another Kinsey. He is slimey and dispicable. MoveOn, and other leftists are funded by him. And these groups meet daily with the Dem. members of congress to give them their marching orders.

I cannot even begin to imagine how to stop this.


140 posted on 05/18/2007 10:22:05 AM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Elyse
Elyse, they, (these groups) are out to prove???? that sex isn’t harmful to children, and in their opinion, it is beneficial. These people have allowed their minds to go completely off the deep end in believing this, and their sole purpose for believing it, is much like the gays. To justify their behavior and beliefs.
141 posted on 05/18/2007 10:41:26 AM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for posting. Bookmarked.


142 posted on 05/18/2007 10:43:00 AM PDT by BigFinn
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Related post 107

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1840571/posts

Thread on Sash Bash and added info on the Radical Faerie demonstration in Moscow:

Harry Hay in Red Square, Moscow


143 posted on 05/27/2007 10:22:31 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Marxist Theory of Homosexuality: Past, Present and Future
Part I: The Past
Bob Nowlan

November 1992
Revision History
Revision 1 November 1992
The Alternative Orange. November 1992 Vol. 2 No. 2 (Syracuse University)
Revision 2 September 10, 2000
DocBook XML (DocBk XML V3.1.3) from original.

http://www.etext.org/Politics/AlternativeOrange/2/v2n2_mth1.html


144 posted on 05/27/2007 12:04:04 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Post showing Radical Faeries threatened Judge Alito.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1806495/posts?page=18#18


145 posted on 06/09/2007 6:15:21 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
"Radical Faeries: We are a network of satyrs, sissies, butch leather queens, ceremonial drag queens, queers, pansies, activists, revolutionaries, workers, artists, farmers, witches, pagans, sacred fools, rural and urban dwellers who see gays, lesbians and transgenders as a distinct and unique people, with our own culture, our own spirituality and our own path of Being."

Good grief!

That sounds just like a major American political party whose name escapes me for the moment...

146 posted on 06/09/2007 6:21:00 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: MarineDad

Try to look through the thread. Your thoughts are correct.


147 posted on 06/09/2007 6:49:10 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Thanks, Calpernia. I did, and I saw.

It became a "fill in the blank" sort of thing, unfortunately.

Thoroughly disgusting...

148 posted on 06/09/2007 6:54:33 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: MarineDad

See this post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1794584/posts?page=112#112

The last line, about Log Cabin Republicans and Victory Funds...

Now go to this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1831372/posts
2004 - Log Cabin Congratulates Our Victorious Candidates (2004)

Take a look at the link at post 3, the brochure shows the anti war crowd throwing a thank you party to the Log Cabins in thanking them for their assistance. Note the other parties affiliated.

Then, back at the same thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1831372/posts

I found the contracts they sign to get the financial endorsements and posted them at 13 and 15. Also, see the excerpt of a brochure I posted at 16 with their blatant affiliations.


149 posted on 06/09/2007 6:55:36 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Male ducks don’t quack.


150 posted on 06/09/2007 6:59:53 AM PDT by airdalechief
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