No deal, Rudy

Catholic Online ^ | 3/6/2007

[wouldntbprudent]

The power a president exerts over his party’s character is nearly absolute.

Examples, please.

[markomalley]

That was in Mark's post of the article itself, perhaps he can provide an additional link.

I'm afraid I don't have anything readily available other than the content of the article. No time tonight to Google it up. Although it sounds like something that would come out of UNICEF (which receives US funding). But that is speculation on my part.

[EagleUSA]

Most of what has been posted to Fr, against Rudy, from the beginning, has been 1/2 truths, lies, and things blatantly taken out of context and then twisted.

You don't like him? Fine.....just don't use lies to make your case against him.
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Please go away. Thank you.

[nopardons]

You can't tell me to "go away"; you have no authority here and I haven't broken any posting rules.

[fatima]

So nice to see you too FRiend,Missed you but you know that.

[Siobhan]

It is important to source it. I recall that it was possible because of funds the US had released to a certain UN agency. But I too will do some digging to see if I can find something clearly sourced on that point.

[Artemis Webb]

Hey supercat...when Rudy threw all the sex shops out of Times Square was that good on his part?

[MaxMax]

You can just image if Rudy were the Presidential nominee
the field day everyone would have as a result of these photos being shown everywhere.

You hit on one of the first devices that held me back from considering Giuliani.
And as I said before, those pictures will be shown Every day until the day
of the election by the MSM. and yes, it will have a significant impact towards the public
and their personal views towards Giuliani.

IMO those Pics will be enough to sway enough of the public to cause discourse
towards such a candidate. I refuse to allow our party to be humiliated
in such a way, so I'll fight against Giuliani and hold back my funding of the party.
And encourage all I meet to do the same.

MaxMax,
/Salute

[Gop1040]

It's still pandering no matter how you explain it.

[supercat]

First of all, Rudy isn't a RINO; that IS a fact! He may not be as far right as you would like, bit he IS a REPUBLICAN.

True or false: Rudy has demonstrated that he believes an NYC mayor should be allowed to try to impose his own anti-gun viewpoint nationwide (by trying to do precisely that).

True or false: Nothing Rudy has done since then would indicate any realization that his action was wrong.

True or false: Rudy, as Mayor, made New York City a sanctuary for illegal aliens.

True or false: Nothing Rudy has done since then would indicate any realization that his action was wrong.

Dressing up in drag for a comedy skit doesn't bother me. But I've seen nothing to suggest that the above issues don't disqualify him.

[StAnDeliver]

Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2267. Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

Pope John Paul II, "Evangelium Vitae". Execution is only appropriate "in cases of absolute necessity, in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today, however, as a result of steady improvement in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

Given that the "organization", the wretched state of the US penal system could not possibly be considered as qualifying under "steady improvement", the death penalty in the US is conscionable in cases where it is not possible to otherwise defend society.

[Pyro7480]

The Roman Catholic Church is against capital punishment too. If you're a Catholic does that mean you must oppose it too?

Here's a very good article on the subject. Is the Church Against Both Abortion and the Death Penalty?

[Enosh]

Have I frightened you away from this thread by asking you to explain what you mean by "Black Churches?"

[wouldntbprudent]

You're kidding, right?

[wouldntbprudent]

Exactly.

[madprof98]

All us pro-lifers have been dismissed!

I think it's increasingly likely we are going to be dismissed from the Republican Party at convention time. Having been dismissed from another political party quite a while back, I've gotten used to it. But I hate it that we're being run off of FreeRepublic, and that is exactly what they're doing right now.

[cgk]

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list...

[dfwddr]

Rudy doesn't need you

Thank you for making that clear.

pissant, why don't you share gotribe's wisdom with the list.

[voltaires_zit]

The only article I can find remotely relevant is here:

http://www.lilithgallery.com/feminist/abortioninbaghdad.html

This is an obviously irrational screed supposedly sourced to the washington post yet clearly paralleling the supposed clinic to a "butcher shop" and claiming the US pays for it because of all the rapes by US servicemen.

Needless to say, the article is utter hogwash.

The relevant law: since 1973, the Helms amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act has prohibited the use of U.S. funds for abortion services; using U.S. funds for biomedical research and lobbying on abortion has been prohibited since 1981. In 30 years, no violations have been reported.

Further background: the Iraqi regulations on abortion under Saddam (which probably, though not certainly, haven't changed) are available here:

http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/abortion/doc/iraq.doc

"Abortions are allowed in Iraq to preserve the life and health of the pregnant woman and for reasons of foetal defect. Iraqi law also allows abortion for reasons of incest and rape. Spousal consent is required."

[supercat]

Hey supercat...when Rudy threw all the sex shops out of Times Square was that good on his part?

Rudy has done a number of good things, and a number of bad things. As such, it would appear he can neither be a purely good tree, nor a purely bad one. Still, in response to your question I felt it appropriate to mention a Bible passage that seemed relevant.