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No deal, Rudy
Catholic Online ^ | 3/6/2007

Posted on 03/06/2007 5:39:37 PM PST by markomalley

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To: nopardons
I understand that those who regard Giuliani as a Republican In Name Only do so because of several different reasons that cluster together namely his support of gun control, his opposition to the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban, his support for the status quo on legalized abortion, his support for various same-sex attraction issues, his use of legal measures to clean up the streets in New York in ways that are perceived as violating essential freedoms.

Then there are a number of issues that are unbecoming a Republican presidential candidate in the minds of many e.g., two divorces, appearing publicly in female dress, his participation in GLBT parades including some whose content was primarily homoerotic and/or cross-dressing.

The secondary cluster gets a great deal of energy from some sectors but the real question on credentials centers, I think, around his support of gun control and abortion on demand.

161 posted on 03/06/2007 7:01:55 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: StAnDeliver

What's up with the constant invocation of the "author of this website" who shall not be named?

Is his opinion "more equal" than others?


162 posted on 03/06/2007 7:02:48 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: supercat

fair enough.


163 posted on 03/06/2007 7:03:24 PM PST by Artemis Webb (Be a REAL conservative. Stay home and pout so Hillary can win!)
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To: madprof98
But I hate it that we're being run off of FreeRepublic, and that is exactly what they're doing right now.

I'm not going anywhere! That would be like admitting they're right, and they aren't.

164 posted on 03/06/2007 7:05:15 PM PST by airborne ("Why in the hell are we so afraid of being what we are?" HUNTER 2008!)
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To: Pyro7480

It is a very good article. Thank you, dear Pyro.


165 posted on 03/06/2007 7:05:29 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: martinidon

Clinton was elected twice because many conservatives took a hike from the Republican party and voted for Ross Perot or stayed home.

Imagine how much worse off the country would have been if George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole had been elected instead. /s


166 posted on 03/06/2007 7:05:40 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: markomalley
You Rudy folks should really, really heed what this article is saying...

DITTO!!

167 posted on 03/06/2007 7:05:58 PM PST by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: wouldntbprudent
Is his opinion "more equal" than others?

Of course it is. He owns this website. We are only here because it pleases him to welcome us until we violate his patience and his requirements.

168 posted on 03/06/2007 7:07:48 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: nopardons
"And the thing that heads this thread, posted to news, is NOT news at all, but a Catholic site on line, that people post to. It's as though someone tool a single post from a FR thread and used it as a "news" article to head a thread, on another website."

You don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Catholic.org uses the Catholic News Service and aggregates CNS with the National Catholic Reporter, Catholic News Agency, American Catholic, UCAN, Interfax, Commonweal, et al.

There is a great tradition of Catholic journalism in this country and frankly there is no pardon for someone so ignorant of that history.

169 posted on 03/06/2007 7:07:55 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: airborne; madprof98

Good Lord nobody is being "run off FreeRepublic". Don't be a drama queen.


170 posted on 03/06/2007 7:08:34 PM PST by Artemis Webb (Be a REAL conservative. Stay home and pout so Hillary can win!)
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To: Gop1040

"At least you're consistent"

More or less... Actually I don't take the position on either of these issues because of what the church says. And I have different reasons to oppose abortion and to oppose the death penalty, and I would oppose both even if I were not Catholic.


171 posted on 03/06/2007 7:10:10 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: StAnDeliver

"Given that the "organization", the wretched state of the US penal system could not possibly be considered as qualifying under "steady improvement", the death penalty in the US is conscionable in cases where it is not possible to otherwise defend society."

Praise the Lord and pass the munitions.


172 posted on 03/06/2007 7:10:22 PM PST by Gop1040
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To: voltaires_zit

If you are correct, this post needs to be edited or pulled. An inflammatory allegation like that cannot stand if it is not true.


173 posted on 03/06/2007 7:10:55 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: cgk; All

Thanks for the ping.

As a Duncan Hunter supporter I am choosing not to engage in debate on this Rudy Giuliani thread on Free Republic. As a freeper I am disappointed that there are fans of a liberal presidential candidate trying to push socially liberal views on this socially conservative forum. In particular, I have noticed that the Rudy G fans do not answer posts questioning the qualitative substance of their candidate, or the posts are met merely with insults.

Duncan Hunter's campaign website
http://www.gohunter08.com/



Statement of Jim Robinson, Founder of Free Republic:

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.



Video of Rudy Giuliani in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM

Transcript of video below.




Will the real Rudy show up at CPAC?

Culture of life:

ABC clip:

George Will: "Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."

Cnn Clip December 2, 1999:

Announcer: "Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports."

Rudy Giuliani : "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."

Immigration

CNN clip:

Announcer: "Back in 1996, mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants."

Rudy Giuliani: "There isn't a mayor or a public official in this country that's more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago."

Gun control:

CNN clip

Rudy Giuliani: "I'm in favor of gun control"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "How about registration of all handguns?"

Rudy Giuliani: "You know I'm in favor of that. I've been on your show many times."

Gay Rights:

CNN Clip:

Announcer: "As mayor he supported civil unions, and extending health and other benefits to gay couples."

ABC Clip: "I supported domestic partnership legislation and signed it"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "So should gay people be openly allowed to serve?"

Rudy Giuliani: "I think people should be judged on the merits. And there should not be a specific focus on someone's sexual orientation."

First Amendment:

ABC Clip

Cokie Roberts: "Would you vote in the senate in favor of Mccain / Feingold?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes, I'm a big supporter of Mccain / Feingold. I have been for a long time."

Party Loyalty:

ABC Clip:

Rudy Giuliani: "Frankly George, I'd like to run on all the lines. I'd like to run on the liberal line, the conservative line, I'd like to run on the democratic line if I could figure out how to do it."

Conservative Values:

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "Whether it's gays in the military, gun control, campaign finance, late term abortion - you and Hillary Clinton are in sync on those issues."

Rudy Giuliani: "Well then maybe the other side should stop the 'He's part of the vast right wing conspiracy'."

Welcome To CPAC, Rudy!

End clip.



174 posted on 03/06/2007 7:11:19 PM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Enosh
(areafiftyone) didn't make a post on #145.
I just wanted to read the original post you replied to.

/Salute

175 posted on 03/06/2007 7:11:32 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Enosh

No-I am not areafiftyone
-I know this is a heavy prayer thread here and will not joke but.:)


176 posted on 03/06/2007 7:11:46 PM PST by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: Artemis Webb

Sex shops, Times Square and Rudy.

First, he didn't get rid of all of them. Second, sex shops closed simply moved elsewhere in the City and just kept on doing what they do. And third, Giuliani did the big clean up of Times Square for economic development -- a very good thing! but not related to any pious clean up of sex shops in Manhattan.


178 posted on 03/06/2007 7:13:26 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: Siobhan

Nope.

The fact that he owns this website and allows us to post here says nothing about whether his opinions on any particular subject are wise or unwise.

So I do not see touting his opinions as coming down from on high.

If you agree with him, or disagree with him, fine. If he posts here, he is in the same position as every other poster.


179 posted on 03/06/2007 7:14:03 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: wouldntbprudent
Since you're new here and apparently incapable of clicking on the links provided...Well darn, you can't use that as an excuse, since he posted this directly to you:

"As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty. If you can't figure out my answer to Rudy, you're lacking an important understanding of FReep."

180 posted on 03/06/2007 7:16:04 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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