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GOP Opponents Say Now It’s Rudy’s Turn
The Politico.com ^ | March 9, 2007 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 03/09/2007 11:06:10 AM PST by Reagan Man

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani has entered the presidential race with a head of steam thanks to a remarkably positive public image among most Americans due to his performance in the wake of Sept. 11.

But his opponents say Giuliani will eventually be weighed down as GOP voters take a more comprehensive look at his record and character – and operatives for rival campaigns are making plans to give Giuliani a proper introduction to rough-and-tumble national politics

Soon, Giuliani opponents say, it will be Rudy’s turn.

“On the national stage people know him for two things right now – cleaning up New York City and September 11th,” observed an aide to Sen. John McCain.

“He exploded on the national scene not as an elected official, but as ‘America’s Mayor,’” the aide continued. “Most nationally-known figures have gone through the vetting process of a national campaign. He was not introduced through the traditional process. It’s not like he had to be elected America’s Mayor.”

That “traditional process,” of course, includes the sort of deep probing and tough scrutiny that even the aggressive New York City press corps can’t match. With Giuliani, opponents believe they have ample fodder to feed to the ever-hungry media beast – for starters, three marriages and a moderate record on social issues that would seem to be anathema to conservative GOP primary voters.

Still, Giuliani’s GOP rivals are treading lightly so far and are hesitant to attack him on the record – a sign of the surprising power Giuliani has shown in the campaign’s early months.

One notable exception took place last week, when former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said of the former mayor in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network: “He is pro-choice, he is pro-gay marriage, and anti-gun. That's a tough combination in a Republican primary."

But it was telling that even in Romney’s camp, however, aides hustled to soften that shot by saying Romney only raised the issues because he was asked the question.

But if Giuliani’s impressive poll numbers continue, opponents will undoubtedly zero in on his potential vulnerabilities: a soap opera of a personal life, questionable business ties, a hard-charging governing style that did not suffer critics lightly and apostasy on core conservative orthodoxy.

“When you’re running for president, there is always a ‘but,’” noted a Romney adviser. “When you start looking to Rudy’s ‘but’s,’” -- issues, family life, former clients – “there’s lots of buts.”

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“The key is the press maketh and the press taketh away,” said the Romney partisan. “If you took a stack of clips on our side, [Romney’s] probably the guy whose suffered the most heat over the past three months.” But that’s starting to change, this person said, and soon enough “it will be Rudy’s turn.”

“In about three months or so,” the adviser predicted, “we’ll look back on the story on his son as the beginning of a change.”

As first reported by the New York Times last weekend, Giuliani has had strained relations with his two children since a very public and very messy divorce from their mother, Donna Hanover, in 2000. The former mayor’s son, Andrew, talked to the Times and then ABC News, making painfully apparent that he would have nothing to do with his father’s campaign.

Such stories remind, or inform, voters of the other side of Giuliani. But when do they start to have an impact on his numbers?

Giuliani’s descent, said an adviser to a rival GOP campaign, will begin when “he ceases to be a celebrity and starts to be more of a regular candidate.”

A regular candidate, that is, with a trove of controversial moves from his time as mayor and U.S. Attorney waiting to be re-aired.

It’s “hard to make the argument that he was a bad mayor or bad prosecutor,” the rival campaign source acknowledged, but there remains ample information to mine from his years as mayor, this person hinted.

“How did he go about cleaning up New York City? How did he make that city governable? What were the methods or means that could potentially come back to hurt him?”

Frank Donatelli, a veteran Republican supporting McCain but not playing an active role in his campaign, likened the early relationship between Giuliani and GOP primary voters to the first torrid days of an affair where flaws are minimized or ignored.

“When you’re dating somebody, you see the best qualities in them. And let’s face it, Rudy’s a very attractive fellow.”

Still, Donatelli sees a “tough road” for Hizzoner and points to a recent Politico report about the left-leaning judges Giuliani appointed as New York mayor as indicative of the sort of pot holes that lay ahead.

“Judicial appointees really will resonate with the base,” said Donatelli, a Reaganite and former director of Young Americans for Freedom. “Conservatives believe that the whole spectrum of social issues begins with judges. If you have a demonstrably poor record there, it’s tough to overcome.”

But in the early stages of the campaign, Giuliani has not yet had to play defense to any significant degree about his past actions, present views and vision for the future.

“His campaign has done a good job of keeping him scripted,” a supporter of another GOP candidate conceded. “He’s going to events that play to his strengths. Getting a bagel in West Palm Beach is not a tough lift.”

The early coverage, a McCain aide added, has been dominated by “tactical and process stories.”

“There hasn’t been room for ideological debate and Rudy has not been in a position where he’s really had to talk about anything substantive.”

Charlie Black, a GOP campaign veteran backing McCain, offered praise for Giuliani’s early campaign but said that the true test will come later.

“The fall is really when the people in the early states start to focus,” Black argued. Giuliani could well remain ahead in polling through the summer and into autumn, Black said, but more important will be the end of 2007 when voters in those key early contests have tuned in and learned about the policy positions of the candidates.

“I’d want to look at polls around the middle of November in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.”

Giuliani adviser Tony Carbonetti responded to the notion that his boss can’t win over the party base by arguing that the GOP is a more diverse lot than some in the press think.

“The New York reporter mentality,” Carbonetti said, is to think “very little of the Republican primary voter.”

“What we’re seeing is that [GOP voters] are looking for a larger set of attributes. They want the picture as a whole.”

Carbonetti said Giuliani will “talk to everybody” in the party and address issues like abortion, gay rights and guns as they arise, but that “it all comes down to what people want from their elected officials.”

“If its leadership, competent governance and somebody you know is going to wake up every day thinking about how he can do a better job, Rudy’s your guy.”

Carbonetti downplayed their early poll standing, predicting the numbers are “going to go up and they’re going to go down.”

And about the former mayor’s dramatic personal life?

Carbonetti predicted voters will say “that’s just life” and be able to relate to such troubles.

“People have their own personal lives, their own families and their own difficulties.”

Another Republican strategist favorable to Giuliani’s campaign also argued that thorny questions about Giuliani’s life at home won’t sink him.

“We’ve elected a president before who didn’t have the tidiest personal life and it was because of his governing style,” the strategist said, referring to Reagan.

“People are smart enough to make decisions on multiple factors,” continued the Republican, and the “importance of leadership in a time of war outweighs all others.”


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“There hasn’t been room for ideological debate and Rudy has not been in a position where he’s really had to talk about anything substantive.”
1 posted on 03/09/2007 11:06:12 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Jim Robinson; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; Beagle8U; Luke21; Ingtar; dmw; DocH; wagglebee; cgk; sitetest; ..
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2 posted on 03/09/2007 11:07:09 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man; Liz

The first high-heel drops.


3 posted on 03/09/2007 11:07:23 AM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: Reagan Man

“There hasn’t been room for ideological debate and Rudy has not been in a position where he’s really had to talk about anything substantive.”

ALL LIES!!! YOU MUST WANT HILLARY TO WIN!!!


4 posted on 03/09/2007 11:07:26 AM PST by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Reagan Man

Issues issues issues.


5 posted on 03/09/2007 11:08:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Reagan Man

Step aside for a real man

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6 posted on 03/09/2007 11:09:50 AM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: flashbunny

Hey flashbunny,

I like this quote of Rudy's that you have on your homesite.

Rudy Giuliani: "There isn't a mayor or a public official in this country that's more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago."


7 posted on 03/09/2007 11:10:58 AM PST by red meat conservative
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To: Reagan Man

"Issues like abortion, gay rights and guns."



Well, he's not as bad as Hilary!


8 posted on 03/09/2007 11:11:12 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Reagan Man

Homeland Security director- maybe.
President- No


9 posted on 03/09/2007 11:11:13 AM PST by mnehring (Anyone who is with you 80% percent of the time is your 80% friend, not. your 20% your enemy- Reagan)
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To: mnehrling

Homeland Security Secretary???

Nooooo way! he is open borders.

He would be much better as Sec. State (dealing with the Saudis and palestinian terrorists)


10 posted on 03/09/2007 11:12:47 AM PST by red meat conservative
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To: cripplecreek

Rudy has peaked early. It's downhill henceforth.


11 posted on 03/09/2007 11:12:57 AM PST by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag.)
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To: Reagan Man

Its all fine and dandy to vote against him in the primaries if you don't like him, but he is soaring ahead of everyone.. if he wins the nomination from the GOP. Get ready, you will have to select either Hillary or Rudy to lead us through the WOT.. personally, after the somalia incident, I don't think I can stomach how a liberal wages a war.. when the tough gets going, we tuck our tail between our legs.


12 posted on 03/09/2007 11:13:46 AM PST by Element187
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To: flashbunny

Rudy's supporters rally to his cause

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13 posted on 03/09/2007 11:14:49 AM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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Rudy Giuliani: "There isn't a mayor or a public official in this country that's more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago."

whats wrong with being pro-immigration??? Isn't that what we were founded on??

now the illegals ... yeah they gotta go!
14 posted on 03/09/2007 11:15:14 AM PST by Element187
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To: Reagan Man
Rudy, like all liberals, is treated with kid gloves by the media.
15 posted on 03/09/2007 11:16:15 AM PST by msnimje (People are crossing party lines to support Giuliani - even some Republicans support him.)
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To: TAdams8591

Sitting out the first debate isn't a good sign.


16 posted on 03/09/2007 11:16:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: TommyDale

C'mon, Fred! Just Do It!


17 posted on 03/09/2007 11:17:45 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: Reagan Man

"likened the early relationship between Giuliani and GOP primary voters to the first torrid days of an affair where flaws are minimized or ignored."


That's what has happened to some here on FR. Give it a couple of months and the *shine* will wear off.


18 posted on 03/09/2007 11:19:08 AM PST by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: Element187

Sorry, I didn't give you the proper context of that quote. It was in regard to illegal aliens in NYC. I will try to find a link.


19 posted on 03/09/2007 11:19:28 AM PST by red meat conservative
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To: red meat conservative
Or Attorney General.

Now, don't get me wrong.. If it comes down to the general, I would vote for him to keep the D out, however, we need to vet people like Rudy out in the primaries so we don't have to face that option(and not tear each other apart in the process.)
20 posted on 03/09/2007 11:19:47 AM PST by mnehring (Anyone who is with you 80% percent of the time is your 80% friend, not. your 20% your enemy- Reagan)
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