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Why F-22s Cannot Fly Into Tomorrow
The Strategy Page ^ | March 14, 2007 | James Dunnigan

Posted on 03/15/2007 4:35:28 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru

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To: BIGLOOK

Should this be public information ?

U.S. Air Force fixes computer glitches in 87 F-22s


http://www.f-16.net/news_article2210.html


The six Raptors were participating in an inaugural 12-hour flight from Hawaii to Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan on Feb. 10 when a "navigation anomaly" maimed several computer systems on the aircraft, an Air Force colonel said.

The computer glitch, which occurred as aircraft crossed the International Date Line, crippled navigation systems and hindered communications.

One pilot was able to contact contractor Lockheed Martin to troubleshoot the error during the flight, the Air Force said. Several pilots attempted to reboot the system with no success.

Luckily for the Raptors, there were no weather issues that day so visibility was not a problem which meant that with their refueling tankers as guide dogs, they were able to safely return to Hawaii.


61 posted on 03/15/2007 6:05:49 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: IonImplantGuru

This is such a petty NON-STORY.


62 posted on 03/15/2007 6:07:17 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: IonImplantGuru
There were problems.

Gosh, ban the program and go to a proved aircraft that has cleared the skies of all adversaries with grace.

Bring back the P-51 Mustang so we can once again be comforted in our quest for air superiority. /s

63 posted on 03/15/2007 6:11:12 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: AmericaUnited
This is such a petty NON-STORY.

Gosh, petty is such a small word for this thread.... ; )

64 posted on 03/15/2007 6:14:20 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Incredible. Even for stationary computers like the one I am using now, all time and date calculations are done in Universal Coordinated Time. Any stored time stamps are in UTC. Conversion to local time is ONLY done at the very last for display. That way you don't get your time stamps out of order when daylight time ends in the fall, or you set your laptop to a different time zone. Your program is much simpler when you have a consistent frame of reference for everything.

Exercise: Look at the filetimes in any folder on your computer. Change your time zone. Look at those filetimes again. They're all displayed in the new local time. No fuss. Change your time zone back again. Same thing.

A nav system has to use a consistent time base internally. You can fly over the date line, over the poles, or over the date line near a pole, crossing ten time zones in a minute, turn around and cross directly over the pole and it just doesn't matter to your algorithm. Any other way is a big mess.


65 posted on 03/15/2007 6:14:52 PM PDT by c-five
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To: FastCoyote
That darn Win98 was just not made to keep dates correctly.

That's why I'm currently running an upgraded version of Windows ME on my desktop.

66 posted on 03/15/2007 6:15:58 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of it made officers smile.)
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To: 353FMG
You're wrong; they keep a sextant in their flight bags.

Then why did the planes have to turn around in mid flight?

67 posted on 03/15/2007 6:17:07 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: rockthecasbah
Me too but there is no need to use F-22 against the terrorist regime air force. The F-15, F-16, and F-18 will be much more than enough to do the job perfectly with almost no losses. Of course not to forget the F-117, B-1, and B-2 and B-52 :)
68 posted on 03/15/2007 6:25:20 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: sam_paine
"And these aircraft are HOW expensive?"
Oh.. Wow. Mr. Ion Implanter.
Complaining about a super-cruise stealth fighter.
Whoop. tee. doo.
Pull a vacuum on the wafers and flip the switch! Difficult!
How expensive are those? Can we buy them at walmart? I didn't think so.

Jeez, Sam! As an old FR hand, you - of all people - should have realized an implied /sarcasm with my 'how expensive' remark. I think the Raptor is a great plane; it's just that I can't believe the NAV system wasn't tested out more thoroughly - ESPECIALLY since a fatal flaw would be so expensive.

69 posted on 03/15/2007 6:25:45 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (()
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To: sionnsar
NASA had passed a milestone: it had reached the point of having at least one bureaucrat for every scientist.

Goddard Space Flight Center just cut the cleaning people (I think in half) to save money in order to pay for the bureaucrats. It's going downhill fast. But we have the money for the Diversity Department to make us all VERY aware that it's "women's history" month this month. Homosexual pride month in July with parties, exhibits, etc. No money for janitorial service though.

70 posted on 03/15/2007 6:29:00 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: aviator; A.A. Cunningham

High deflection, 1.7 G, no lead, nose low, flight path marker buried even lower, 179 ias, huge HCA, no energy . . .

Gun kill? I doubt it. Looks more like a stall recovery. Any bullets coming out of that airplane are going to the bottom of the screen.

Hornet was probably already a mort and Raptor was moving on to next target.

AA Cunningham keeps putting out that silly photo. Somebody explain to him what "lead" is - he seems unclear on the concept. Anybpdy can bunt a reticle dot on the target - it doesn't mean the bullets are going there. He just can't accept the fact that the Navy is stuck with old, non-stealthy aircraft. He should stop embarrassing himself.


71 posted on 03/15/2007 6:30:14 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: Arthalion
"Incredibly easy to do too. "

That is a gross overstatement in the extreme.

72 posted on 03/15/2007 6:30:17 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: IonImplantGuru

I heard a story years ago when the Air Force was flying the B52 with nuclear bombs for attack against Russia.

They would reach their Fail Safe points and their compasses wouldn't work. There was no such thing as GPS. They needed a qualifed navigator who got them there to tell them where they were.

The Russians never attempted Polar routes. The closest they came was Greenland.

Perhaps someone knows the details better and would care to post.


73 posted on 03/15/2007 6:31:30 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: IonImplantGuru

"And these aircraft are HOW expensive?"

100 Million each. Then again, we spent how many billion to send a probe to Mars and they forgot to convert feet to meters?


74 posted on 03/15/2007 6:32:13 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The Clintons: A Malignant Malfeasance of the Most Morbid)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Goddard Space Flight Center just cut the cleaning people (I think in half) to save money in order to pay for the bureaucrats. It's going downhill fast. But we have the money for the Diversity Department to make us all VERY aware that it's "women's history" month this month. Homosexual pride month in July with parties, exhibits, etc. No money for janitorial service though.

Glad I never went back. Recommendation: Get out while you can.

75 posted on 03/15/2007 6:40:24 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: FastCoyote
That darn Win98 was just not made to keep dates correctly.

Lol! Maybe it was Microsoft Bob?

76 posted on 03/15/2007 6:45:05 PM PDT by Ignatz ("I think we should tax all foreigners living abroad.")
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To: stockpirate

Talked to F-15 and F-16 drivers at air show. Both agreed that in 1-1 fight F-15 v. F-16 in VFR, it would depend on pilot skill.

When asked how long they would survive v F-22, both answered "20 seconds."


77 posted on 03/15/2007 6:49:30 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: IonImplantGuru
In the world of aircraft and aviation weapons systems test and evaluation, the testers always insist on flying:

Across the poles
Across the equator
Across the International Date Line
Across the Prime Meridian

In my 28 years in the business, every Program Manager, Program Executive Officer, and Systems Commander insists on deleting those test requirements as unnecessary and too expensive.

As a result, what should have been caught in a very early Developmental test event, is detected after fielding or in a Follow-on Test and Evaluation (FOT&E) event.

Invariably, it is a divide by zero problem with a trigonometric function.

We never learn....
78 posted on 03/15/2007 6:57:59 PM PDT by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (The facts of life are conservative -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Natty Bumppo@frontier.net

Well put.


79 posted on 03/15/2007 7:15:44 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: CharlesWayneCT

It was a dateline problem. LMT solved this problem long ago in the P3 program. They used to fly over and back across the dateline to verify everything worked correctly. I bet they just didnt have time to put this algorithm in the F-22 ... until this problem arose.

Then it was a quick fix to drop the algorithm into the avionics system. Problem solved.


80 posted on 03/15/2007 7:32:42 PM PDT by dartuser ("If you torture the data long enough, it will confess, even to crimes it did not commit")
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