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China to challenge Boeing and Airbus
Guardian (UK) ^ | 03/19/2007

Posted on 03/19/2007 11:31:40 AM PDT by farlander

China plans to produce its own large commercial jet by 2020 to challenge the dominance of Airbus and Boeing in the world's fastest-growing aircraft market, the state media reported today.

(Excerpt) Read more at business.guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aerospace; bussines; china; economy; pcp
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Good luck with that. I don't like to fly on socialist-built planes, I wouldn't be found dead on a communist built one. Can anyone say Aeroflot (Ilyshin) ?
1 posted on 03/19/2007 11:31:51 AM PDT by farlander
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To: RunningWolf; Flavius; GSlob; Old Guard Conservative; misterrob; oblomov; VeryFRank; tabor; ...

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2 posted on 03/19/2007 11:33:06 AM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: farlander

I've taken several flights on TU-154, and there is a basis for your bias against Communist made aircraft.


3 posted on 03/19/2007 11:35:57 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: farlander

They used to sing the text of an advertisement for Tu-104 jet to a tune of Chopin's requiem "Tu-104 is a reliable plane... Tu-104 is a reliable plane... Fly the planes of Aeroflot..."


4 posted on 03/19/2007 11:36:33 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: farlander

By 2020 PRC may have enough stolen technology to build some sort of flying ashcan. I doubt they can do it on their own..


5 posted on 03/19/2007 11:46:41 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("Somethings got to go, either me or that wallpaper.." last words, Oscar Wilde)
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To: farlander
I wouldn't be found dead on a communist built one

You wouldn't be on it. You'd be scattered in little pieces all over the countryside........

6 posted on 03/19/2007 11:49:03 AM PDT by Red Badger (Britney Spears shaved her head............Well, that's one way of getting rid of headlice.........)
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To: farlander

I don't have any problem with this, so long as no American airlines of other companies flying into the United States (that I might be connected to) use those airliners made in China.


7 posted on 03/19/2007 11:49:36 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: farlander

Don't underrate China. When Columbus sailed the Atlantic on his 60 foot Channel freighter, the Chinese were sailing around the world on 450 foot ships. They can do it.


8 posted on 03/19/2007 11:51:55 AM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: farlander
So its gonna be the socialist against the communists for #2 plane maker.

If the Chi-coms are gonna make their own planes, there may not be much of a market left for the A(lbatros)380. If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.

9 posted on 03/19/2007 11:53:22 AM PDT by AFreeBird (This space for rent. Inquire within)
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To: RightWhale

Quick invest billions in airplane plants to help poor China to develop the skills to make large aircraft.

Move most of your wing and engine plants there to save money. S/C

They would never steel the manufacturing skills.

This is what Boeing and others are doing right now.

Smart.


10 posted on 03/19/2007 12:00:22 PM PDT by Goldwater and Gingrich
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[... So its gonna be the socialist against the communists for #2 plane maker. ..]

Communism "IS" Socialism..

11 posted on 03/19/2007 12:02:05 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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You are probable right, I can imagine that it will look like an old Ford Tri-motor with jet engines. LOL
12 posted on 03/19/2007 12:03:21 PM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: RightWhale

'Course, back then they had an emperor, and weren't fighting the ennui of socialism.


13 posted on 03/19/2007 12:03:26 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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Airbus is teaching them how.

A320 assembly line in Tianjin to be completed by end of year

Construction of main part of the Airbus 320 project will soon begin in the New Coastal District of Tianjin, a port city in the north of China, with the general assembly line to be finished by the end of this year.

Dai Xianglong, deputy to the National People's Congress and mayor of Tianjin Municipality, said that since last June when Airbus decided to establish a general assembly line for it's A320 in Tianjin New Coastal District all parties had signed an agreement on the project framework. The site of the factory is already being prepared, with old housing already removed and the land levied. Already 700 million yuan has been invested into auxiliary facilities. This month, work on the main project will officially get underway, and by the end of 2007, the total investment will reach 2 billion yuan, and achieve the aim of finishing all the basic equipment projects and the general assembly line.

The Airbus A320 is a 150-seat aircraft available on the global market, and is in high demand. On June 8, 2006, the National Development and Reform Commission announced that an Airbus A320 general assembly line would be established in Tianjin New Coastal District. Auxiliary projects supplying basic equipment cover an area of 2.4 square kilometers. This is Airbus' first assembly line outside of Europe. The first aircraft from the Tianjin factory is expected to be delivered in 2008, and by 2011, the assembly line should be able to produce four airplanes per month.

By People's Daily Online


14 posted on 03/19/2007 12:16:04 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: RightWhale
Don't underrate China. When Columbus sailed the Atlantic on his 60 foot Channel freighter, the Chinese were sailing around the world on 450 foot ships. They can do it.

That's like saying the Egyptians are great architects because of their proven prowess with pyramids.

3000 years and still eating with sticks, shows an inability to put efficiency first. Ships weren't the only technology shelved by the Chinese. Mechanical mills and farming implements were all cast aside to maintain their society's hierarchy.

15 posted on 03/19/2007 12:44:18 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: Little Pig

That's true. China has gone through a lot of changes. Probably still are.


16 posted on 03/19/2007 12:55:09 PM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: RightWhale

I don't underestimate their ability to copy technology. I do, however, question their quality control, just like Airbus'.

China has a ton of problems they'll have to overcome in the next few years before any of these lofty economic goals come within reach. For example, the 900B dollar in bad loans, equivalent of the entirety of their foregin currency reserves.

And the slew of SOEs that don't operate on profit and rely on the above said loans in order to provide employment. As their economy overheats and some of the obvious (at least to me) construction and commodities bubbles pop, it'll be interesting to see how they deal with the result social problems.


17 posted on 03/19/2007 1:07:23 PM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: SampleMan

Not all Chinese eat with sticks. Marco Polo did not report that they ate with sticks, which he would have if those he met did.


18 posted on 03/19/2007 1:08:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: farlander

It's been quite a show and will probably continue to be.


19 posted on 03/19/2007 1:09:40 PM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: RightWhale
Not all Chinese eat with sticks.

The Han Chinese that live in China do.

Marco Polo did not report that they ate with sticks, which he would have if those he met did.

Then why didn't he report that they ate with utensils? Are you suggesting that they ate with efficient utensils in antiquity, but switched to the use of inefficient sticks just recently? Perhaps when no westerner is around they pull out the hidden forks?

I guess I'm missing your point.

20 posted on 03/19/2007 1:16:40 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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