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BATFE Killing Idaho's Oldest Gun Shop
Jews for the Protection of Firearms Ownership ^ | March 21, 2007 | JPFO

Posted on 03/22/2007 3:29:49 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Red's Trading Post in Twin Falls, Idaho, is the state's oldest gun shop, opened since 1936. In 2004, a routine BATFE audit revealed minor clerical errors. According to Red's, out of nearly ten THOUSAND firearms transferred between 1996 and 2004, the alleged error rate did not even reach 1%. Even the BATFE acknowledges these are minor paperwork errors -- there are no missing firearms and no willful illegal acts.

And yet the BATFE has revoked the ability of Red's Trading Post to acquire firearms for resale, although they're still permitted to sell the firearms in stock ... for now. But that's not enough -- the BATFE wants to revoke Red's license permanently.

Red's appealed, was denied, and are now headed to federal court. They have spent over two years and $20,000 in legal fees in this battle and are now taking it public. You can read more about Red's Trading Post at http://www.redstradingpost.com/atf.php and view their fact sheet (in MS Word format) at www.jpfo.org/redsatffactsheet.doc .

The Red's Trading Post site even includes an article about a competitor -- Blue Lakes Sporting Goods -- who was similarly railroaded by the BATFE. In an act of supreme hubris, the BATFE actually denied the Blue Lakes the right to appeal until AFTER they were in the middle of a "Going Out of Business" sale!

Unfortunately, as our readers know, this is hardly unusual behavior for the BATFE.

During the March 28, 2006 Congressional BATFE hearings, attorney Richard Gardiner testified that the BATFE's "enforcement" tends to focus on trivial violations that do not affect public safety, and that the BATFE imposes an unreasonable standard of perfection on FFLs ( http://judiciary.house.gov/media/pdfs/gardiner032806a.pdf ). That latter is especially ironic considering the extremely poor state of the BATFE's own record-keeping, about which they routinely perjure themselves in court (see and hear it from the mouth of the NFA Branch chief himself at http://www.jpfo.org/rollcall.mp4 ).

JPFO understands that enough is enough. We plan to bring this rogue agency to its knees with our upcoming documentary _The Gang_ ( www.jpfo.org/thegang.htm). Throughout its production, we've received help from criminal investigators, historians, attorneys, BATFE victims, rock legend Ted Nugent, Knob Creek Enterprises, _Unintended Consequences_ author John Ross, and many others. Everyone who understands the true threat to our freedoms that the BATFE poses owes these people a very big thank you.

We plan to list these heroes in the Producer's Circle of the film credits -- it's the least we can do. And it's not too late for YOU to join them. If you want to be listed in the Producers circle, we need your contribution RIGHT NOW. Go to http://shop.jpfo.org/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=16 . A donation of $250 or more will get you listed, plus you'll receive a free DVD copy of the finished film and a copy of our book _"Gun Control": Gateway to Tyranny_.

Do it for Red's Trading Post. Do it for Blue Lakes Sporting Goods. Do it for ALL the victims of the BATFE's arbitrary, capricious "enforcement". Most of all, do it for yourself.

Do it today.

- The Liberty Crew

JPFO
P.O. Box 270143
Hartford, WI 53027
Phone (262) 673-9745
Fax (262) 673-9746
jpfo@jpfo.org


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; abuseofpower; bang; banglist; batf; batfe; firearms; freedom; id; idaho; jackboots; jbts; liberty; oppression; redstradingpost; thegang; tyranny; victims
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Boot the BATFE, baby!
1 posted on 03/22/2007 3:29:52 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

JBT's in action.


2 posted on 03/22/2007 3:31:32 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If this is the BATFE under GWB, I shudder to think how they will be under Giuliani (who understands the 2nd amendment now!)


3 posted on 03/22/2007 3:31:52 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; ...

Another outrage from a "we know better than you do" government agency.


4 posted on 03/22/2007 3:33:22 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Your friendly neighborhood JBT coming to a gun store near you.

5 posted on 03/22/2007 3:35:51 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Red needs to be careful. Here's what these jackbooted thugs caused down in Texas a few years ago:

http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/picturethis.html

6 posted on 03/22/2007 3:38:00 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Give me ambiguity or give me something else.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
BATFE

Another federal agency funded by the citizens completely out of control. Shut it down. The sooner, the better.

7 posted on 03/22/2007 3:38:18 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
8 posted on 03/22/2007 3:39:40 PM PDT by magslinger (Submission? That's a bit of a problem!)
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To: Doomonyou

just remember where g. gordon said to aim for on these nazis.


9 posted on 03/22/2007 3:41:22 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If I were the President, I'd shut the BATF and E down if I saw only a single tiny mispelling error or numbers additions mistake on their annual budget submission.


10 posted on 03/22/2007 3:47:38 PM PDT by kcar ( Vote for me)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Even the BATFE acknowledges these are minor paperwork errors..."

If that's true, every FFL in the country ought to get together to fight this crap...

11 posted on 03/22/2007 3:51:38 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: kcar

Well, the Republicans were working on a bill to deal with this problem .
Now the Dims have control, so we can forget about the bill's passage . It's just another reason why it was imperative to keep Republicans in power . This will be a long hard painful lesson for our side , and maybe one day we can get the Congress back in Republican hands .


12 posted on 03/22/2007 3:55:21 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)
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To: flashbunny

In violation of the Constitution, Congress gives legislative power to unelected bureaucrats. The problem with these government agencies is the arbitrary nature of their actions which have the force of law. Thus, we have a renegade agency driving legitimate businesses out of business.

Comrades, it will get worse.


13 posted on 03/22/2007 3:58:57 PM PDT by Jacquerie (US vs Libby: Our first Soviet style show trial.)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

I don't buy that. Republicans had the majority for 4 years, and the VP as backup. If this was a priority you'd think they'd have done this before McCain-Feingold and the Drug Prescription for Seniors bills.


14 posted on 03/22/2007 3:59:21 PM PDT by kcar
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Red's were sloppy about their paperwork. They were given a 2nd chance and blew it.
15 posted on 03/22/2007 4:03:06 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: kcar

This problem wasn't brought to their attention that long ago. These problems take time to get to Congress and then legislation has to be crafted . Then it has to make it through the whole legislative process . In this case it was from the bottom up, not from the top down, like the bills you're comparing this to.

So if you don't buy that , see how you like the Dim solution to this problem . It will be non-existent .


16 posted on 03/22/2007 4:14:43 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Could be worse.

17 posted on 03/22/2007 4:14:47 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: stinkerpot65
Could be worse.

Unfortunately, you've got that right...

18 posted on 03/22/2007 4:24:58 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: Neu Pragmatist

"Well, the Republicans were working on a bill to deal with this problem ."

The Republicans had 8 years to deal with this problem. 8 YEARS and sat on their fat sorry behinds and did nothing to aleviate the problem.

Time to take matters into our OWN hands unless we lose it all.


19 posted on 03/22/2007 4:28:15 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Jacquerie
"In violation of the Constitution, Congress gives legislative power to unelected bureaucrats. The problem with these government agencies is the arbitrary nature of their actions which have the force of law. Thus, we have a renegade agency driving legitimate businesses out of business."

In pursuance to the Constitution, it is time for the people to remedy the problem by authority of the Second Amendment which is activated when the security of a free state has been breeched. That happens when the feds send in armed thugs and goons to repress the people.

Time to put them on immediate notice and order them to hand over all their weapons. They have assumed powers we did not authorize them to have.

20 posted on 03/22/2007 4:30:14 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Boot the BATFE, baby!

A fed pal of mine informed me that a letter had been circulated throughout his agency instructing their agents who were about to attend advanced firearms training at the FLETEC center in Georgia to please not refer to any BATFE students they might encounter as *BATFECES*, at least not to their faces.

It seems they don't like the mame the other feds now call them.... I'm going to try to get him to fax or text me a copy of the letter, which I'll helpfully post after removing any identifying names or numbers.

21 posted on 03/22/2007 4:32:57 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Leatherneck_MT
The Republicans had 8 years to deal with this problem. 8 YEARS and sat on their fat sorry behinds and did nothing to aleviate the problem.

Actually, they could have started earlier, while B.J. was still in the executive mansion. That's more than 8 years...

22 posted on 03/22/2007 4:46:28 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: Leatherneck_MT

This problem wasn't brought to their attention 8 years ago. I'm done trying to explain the legislative process and the reality of this situation .

Many different gun issues have been addressed and were in the process of being addressed when the Republicans were in control. It takes alot of time and work to get these bills passed in a clean manner. They usually aren't priority bills anyway . No sense debating it now , the Dims are in control ....enjoy !


23 posted on 03/22/2007 4:47:04 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

I voted Republican - my whole family did. Wasn't happy at all about their performance but held my nose for it. That gives me the right to complain about them spending like sailors on shore leave, and liking the power rush in the Beltway too much to do anything useful. The Democrats were more effective in the minority than all the Republicans together. The Republicans cowered everytime the MSM threw a contrived histrionic squealing fit - which was more often than a gang of 13-year old girls at a pajama party, and they left alot of unfinished business like this, like the UN, etc.


24 posted on 03/22/2007 4:48:31 PM PDT by kcar
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To: archy
I'm going to try to get him to fax or text me a copy of the letter, which I'll helpfully post after removing any identifying names or numbers.

Please do - I have a friend who is a retired federal LEO (different department & different agency) who would very definitely appreciate it. Although, from what I hear, the Treasury explosives folks are 100% world-class (so it's a shame they have to put up with the jokes generated by the 'ill-advised' actions of some of the firearms guys)...

25 posted on 03/22/2007 4:53:39 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Waco happened far longer than 8 years ago and if that wasn't a wake up call to the Congress, I don't know what is.

Every last manjack of that assault squad, up to and including Janet Reno should be behind bars today or, preferably, pushing up daisies.

People who watch the News, even CNN, can at least see for themselves what happened. It doesn't take alot of smarts to see that the BATF has been a rogue agency for many years.

You don't need to "explain" a thing to me. I am very well aware of how our system of government works.

The FACT remains, they knew a long time ago that one of their agencies had a problem and yet still never did a damned thing about it.


26 posted on 03/22/2007 4:53:50 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: kcar

I'll take a bad Republican congress over a bad Dimocrat congress anyday , there are major differences . Oh well , doesn't matter now .


27 posted on 03/22/2007 4:55:23 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

We are talking about two different items . I was addressing the gun dealer oversight bill . They've found a far more effective way to eliminate gun ownership and that is by eliminating gun dealers through "clerical errors". This is an important issue that we will unfortunately never see addressed under Dim control .


28 posted on 03/22/2007 5:03:35 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Ahhh sorry, didn't realize you were talking about that.

I was referring directly to getting rid of the BATF.

Miscomm apology.


29 posted on 03/22/2007 5:04:41 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

I'd take a bad Democrat Congress with a tough-as-nails Republican President over what we've witnessed during these golden opportunity years. They have the narrowest of majorities now in both houses and it feels like they have they have the power they did in the 1930's. For the Republicans to arise from this they'll need to grow a pair and go reclaim that Contract. "Big-government" conservatism is just proof of Lord Acton's warning.


30 posted on 03/22/2007 5:06:10 PM PDT by kcar
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To: Leatherneck_MT

No worries. I wish they had absorbed them into other agencies back when they were "talking" about doing it.
I have a feeling it's a monumental task to undertake such a boat rocking change. We're stuck with it .


31 posted on 03/22/2007 5:11:33 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)
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To: stinkerpot65

The highest convection rate of any federal law enforcement agency.

32 posted on 03/22/2007 5:15:48 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: kcar

Don't expect it anytime soon . The Dims know how to abuse their power to retain control, and they will surely do it .


33 posted on 03/22/2007 5:16:30 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Not expecting any politician to do anything for me ever again. Whenever I hear that I back off and make a mental note to buy ammo.
34 posted on 03/22/2007 5:21:09 PM PDT by kcar
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To: Chief Engineer; Delphinium; EternalVigilance; Keyes2000mt; Sir_Ed; Knitting A Conundrum; ...
The Idaho FR Ping List
FReepmail GOP_Raider to be on or off this list.

35 posted on 03/22/2007 5:34:55 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (FReepmail me to join the all new Idaho Ping List.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9q9sxJFnA


36 posted on 03/22/2007 6:11:57 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bump


37 posted on 03/22/2007 6:15:15 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Oh for the good old days (pre Dec 1968) when you could walk into any gun store,in any state, filling station, western clothing store, grocery store, kitchen, and lay your money down and walk out with a fine handgun or rifle Those days are long gone.


38 posted on 03/22/2007 6:39:54 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Centurion2000

Huh why is it that we start seeing these enforcement actions every year march/April timeframe. Must be budget approval time.


39 posted on 03/22/2007 6:51:51 PM PDT by Groganeer (God, Guns, Trucks-The Redneck Trinity)
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To: FReepaholic

Powerful website that unfortunately is a predictor of the future for those that don't conform to Big Brother.

http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/picturethis.html


40 posted on 03/22/2007 7:02:32 PM PDT by panaxanax (Ronald Reagan would vote for Duncan Hunter!)
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To: flashbunny

Or under Barack Obama. The BATFE will become part of the IRS again, and be used to go after Cuban children like Reno used the BATF.


41 posted on 03/22/2007 7:08:53 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: stinkerpot65
Or this.

Janet Reno uses Border Patrol, ATF to take Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba and tries to charge the Gonzalez family for unlawful posession of a firearm.

42 posted on 03/22/2007 7:11:01 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: spunkets
This could be OK. What if every federal agency acted this way? You know, suppose the Department of Education went around firing all the teachers and closing any school where more than 1% of the students made mistakes on their papers?
Or better yet, closing any IRS service center where more than1% of the answers on their help line were found to be wrong.?

All I can say is this sort of thing wouldn’t be happening if, in 2000 after 8 years of Clinton, we had voted in a Republican as president.
Vote Rudy for a change!!!!
Oh wait! Scratches head,. . . . . What to do, what to do?
43 posted on 03/22/2007 7:41:19 PM PDT by SWO
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To: Neu Pragmatist
It takes alot of time and work to get these bills passed in a clean manner. They usually aren't priority bills anyway.

It's the majority that sets the priorities, so if it wasn't a high priority, it's the fault of the party who had control of Congress from 1994 until 2006. After all, they sure had time to hold hearings about steroids in baseball.

44 posted on 03/22/2007 8:00:50 PM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: SWO
"What if every federal agency acted this way?"

They do. Try getting a job, or working on a job site w/o the proper training, or keeping records on said training. LOL! Big fines and jail time are in order.

"what to do?"

Encourage Fred Thompson.

45 posted on 03/22/2007 8:05:57 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: ellery

Neither party is overly anxious to tackle gun issues. The Republicans were willing to do it , but like any other issue, it gets prioritized. Again I say , enjoy the Dims . If you hated the Republicans on the gun issue , you'll love what the Dims have in store for it ...


46 posted on 03/22/2007 9:11:27 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
the alleged error rate did not even reach 1%. Even the BATFE acknowledges these are minor paperwork errors -- there are no missing firearms and no willful illegal acts.

I doubt the Feds are more accurate with their accounting of weapon grade nuclear material.

47 posted on 03/22/2007 9:16:45 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: paul51

This is one Agency that seems to change NOT AT ALL no matter who is in the White House. Hmmmmmmm..........


48 posted on 03/22/2007 9:19:56 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: TheDon

Bump for later comment


49 posted on 03/22/2007 9:21:22 PM PDT by Tinman (Yankee by birth, Texan by Choice..."Support the Troops" shouldn't be just a bumper sticker)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

If our pubbies prioritized gun issues lower than baseball steroids, then I would hardly say they were "willing" to tackle the issue -- at most they were willing to claim that they were willing.

And who said I was enjoying the donks? That's a strawman -- I haven't said one word in favor of them or their positions on RKBA. I can and will hold our elected officials to account for their actions or lack thereof. The only way elected republicans will change their ways is if we, their constituents, hold them accountable. It's people who deflect every valid criticism of republicans with a boilerplate "the dims are worse" that have encouraged our overconfident GOP congresscritters to be the pork-eating corruption monkeys that many have been over the past several years. If they had stuck to the principles that got them voted into congress in the first place, maybe we wouldn't be "enjoying" the donks as we speak.


50 posted on 03/22/2007 9:44:18 PM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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