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Charlie and Rosie Are Scum
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 24 March 2007 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 03/24/2007 10:34:27 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob

I’ve been writing for publication for 50 years. I have never before referred to a fellow citizen as “scum.” Growing up, I was taught that all human beings have worth, and that even “bad” people have some virtues. So, what could possibly make me call Charlie Sheen and Rosie O’Donnell, scum?

These two people are backing an effort to recut, with Sheen narrating, an existing video about 9/11 called “Loose Change,” and distribute it through Magnolia Pictures. In addition to the sitcom actor and the talk show hostess, the other player may be Mark Cuban, an eccentric and sometimes out-of-control multi-millionaire who owns Magnolia, the Dallas Mavericks, and various other pricey baubles.

(An article on wcbs.com on 22 March, 2007, by Andrew Kirtzman, provided many of the facts for this column.)

Let’s have a look at what the original film contains. Here are two lines from the narration of that film: “If the government is lying about flight 93, is it hard to believe the rest is a lie?” And, this: “I know it's hard to imagine the government would intentionally murder almost 3000 innocent people, but once you begin to accept that possibility you can never go back to the 19 Arabs.”

Is the idea that there was no Arab attack using planes on 9/11 merely a matter of political opinion? Absolutely not. There are physical laws on such matters as high-speed impact, high temperature fires, failure of steel and other materials under such stresses. And the collapse of the two World Trade Center buildings and the outer wall of the Pentagon on 9/11, all followed those laws.

Sheen has backed this conspiracy theory in interviews. O’Donnell has backed it by reprinting the theories on her website. Cuban is backing it by saying of the film project, “we like controversial subjects.”

As a one-time physicist myself, I can follow the analysis of the hard evidence from what happened, as laid out in a book by James Meigs, Editor in Chief of Popular Mechanics magazine. Point by point he debunked the conspiracy theories about 9/11 being a US government plot to get us into war. He concluded, “It is a brilliantly patched-together stew of all kinds of misconceptions, misquotes and real mistakes about how things really worked on that day.”

So the idea that 9/11 was a vicious US plot is nonsense. I’ve spent decades writing about political nonsense without calling those who hold such views, scum. This is worse than mere politics.

Barbara Olson was an acquaintance of mine. She was a writer, and a wife and mother. She was talking on her cell phone to her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, as her hijacked plane was flown into the Pentagon. My fiancee was two blocks from the WTC when the first tower fell. With thousands of others, she ran north through the smoke and debris, not knowing if she would survive.

These conspiracy nuts are spitting on the memories of those who died that day, and all who were harmed, and all of their families, and on all of America – because the whole nation was the target of those attacks.

Why would any Americans stoop to such a cruel and dishonest position? As usual, history books provide an answer. During WW II, there were a handful of people who hated President Roosevelt so much that they bruited about, and apparently believed, the conspiracy theory that Roosevelt knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance. They believed he allowed it to happen, in order to bring the US into WW II.

The current conspiracy theory is even worse. Hatred for the Bush Administration has led certain people, including Sheen and O’Donnell to believe that this administration murdered 3,000Americans in order to create a war. To my view, that makes Sheen and O’Donnell scum. Cuban may be in it merely for the money, not the belief, so I won’t call him scum.

Is that too harsh, or do you agree?

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About the Author: John Armor practiced in the US Supreme Court for 33 years. John_Armor@aya.yale.edu He lives in the 11th District of North Carolina.

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KEYWORDS: 911; barbaraolson; charliesheen; rosieodonnell
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To: Congressman Billybob

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81 posted on 03/25/2007 8:48:21 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: troy McClure
Hard to find anything nice to say about a hate-filled nutter like Sheen. But I googled that email name and found that apparently he pays consistently and rapidly for his ebay purchases!

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=mrjonze55

I'm sure his crack dealer would be equally complimentary.

Just out of curiosity, how did you know his email addy?

82 posted on 03/25/2007 9:00:12 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Stultis

Wow, that's clever. Are you a PI?

Ebay's member, mrjonze55, is listed as a California resident and appears to collect antique watches and their paraphernalia.

Several of his purchases are listed as "private." The seller's comment on one of these private purchases is: "An Ebay Star!"




83 posted on 03/25/2007 10:25:27 AM PDT by fullchroma
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To: Congressman Billybob

I am sure scum is hiring a PR firm to denounce any connection with these two people.


84 posted on 03/25/2007 10:33:01 AM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: Congressman Billybob

Good work! How long do you suppose before "mrjonze55" registers at Freerepublic and jumps into this discussion? Could get fun.


85 posted on 03/25/2007 10:33:05 AM PDT by fullchroma
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To: grey_whiskers
I'd like to know who the other people are, to whom Charlie Sheen sent his bad-mouthed reply. I don't know how to find that out, but a lot of Freepers are clever that way.

And, I was only a physicist until halfway through Yale. I found out that the liberal arts majors experienced things like weekends, and dates. Physics majors spent their weekends reading books with large sigmas on almost every page. I changed to two other majors -- English and Political Science. LOL.
John / Billybob

86 posted on 03/25/2007 11:01:47 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please get involved: www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob

There are 2 possibilities. One is that the extreme Right perpetrated 911 to take this country away from the liberal monopoly or Islamic extremist attacked us and now the extreme left has looked for every possible conspiracy they can dream up to destroy the Right and maintain that same monopoly on power.

I tend to agree with the later.


87 posted on 03/25/2007 11:13:20 AM PDT by Return to the Public ("Freedom without responsibility leads to Tyranny.")
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To: Churchillspirit

I have officially changed Rosies tag from
"Queen of Lezbolah"
to
"Tokyo Rosie"


88 posted on 03/25/2007 11:52:35 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: Return to the Public

Did I say "later?" I meant Latter.


89 posted on 03/25/2007 12:34:28 PM PDT by Return to the Public ("Freedom without responsibility leads to Tyranny.")
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To: Congressman Billybob
I enjoyed your article.

I do wonder if there is a better word than "scum", because without the 'valued scum' in my septic tank, well lets just say, I would have some serious problems. ;)

Perhaps "craven lick-spittle"...I'm just not sure.

BTW, I too was raised and have lived most of my life with the belief that there exists some good or value in the lives of the worst among us. BUT anymore, I conclude that for some of these walking pieces of toilet stain, their value will only come when their bodies have decomposed and become nourishment for worms and plant food.

I apologize to those that may find my words too harsh, but I am no longer the loving and caring man I once was. 911 changed me in some ways that I still don't completely understand. I can actually hate now, I had never hated before that day. Contempt and disgust for the actions of some folks was part of me before, but absolute unqualified hate..... now knows my soul.

The knowledge of the potential 'corruption of hate' is something I guard against each day. Unfortunately, there exists traitorous "scum" that makes it very difficult to not let the hate consumes ones soul.
90 posted on 03/25/2007 12:39:31 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: Libertina
He didn't forget. Read the article.

I chuckled when I read "multi-millionaire," since the conventional wisdom for years has been as you wrote it, "billionaire."

Well, we can rest assured Mark's net worth still takes 9 significant digits.

HF

91 posted on 03/25/2007 4:54:24 PM PDT by holden
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To: Congressman Billybob

Can't be good for the "Truth" Movement to be associated with a known gun-grabber like Rosie.........unless the "Truth" Movement members ARE gun-grabbers to begin with.

It's clear. Alex Jones is a gun-grabbing disinfo agent. That's the answer to the $64,000 Question.


92 posted on 03/25/2007 11:27:09 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis ("I'm not some candy-assed white liberal looking to turn you into better citizens." - Martin Querns)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Just heard you talking to Jerry on WLS about this, that was a great interview. Too bad they couldn't post the idiots letter in its entirety, if more people actually understood the type of response you received they could then understand the kind of guy he really is.
93 posted on 03/26/2007 8:39:34 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: griswold3
Tokyo Rosie

I like it!

94 posted on 03/26/2007 10:24:20 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

efleming is Erik Fleming, a photographer: http://www.erikfleming.com/


95 posted on 03/26/2007 3:19:35 PM PDT by RobFromGa (I'm still optimistic about our future!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
..makes Sheen and O’Donnell scum. Cuban may be in it merely for the money, not the belief, so I won’t call him scum.

Is that too harsh, or do you agree?

I criticise the excessive diplomatic restraint shown in this writing.

That grotesque pig defames and demeans White Trash; Even the trash who watch her.

She has nothing to sell, except to attact the type of attention normally given to a massive mid-sidewalk dog-dump.

That she ever got into any broadcast media only serves to illustrate its destructive effect on our society. Prior to television, she would have been relegated to a second-tier carnival as a morbid attraction.

I am more disgusted with the fellow citizens who foul their nests by watching the freak, though. They empower and endorse it.

96 posted on 03/27/2007 12:16:34 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

In College biology, I observed "pond Scum" under powerful microscopes. Scum is owed an apology.........


97 posted on 03/27/2007 12:27:08 PM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: CFC__VRWC
According to post #68 of that thread it was all a joke.

To: Verax
Can't believe you all fell for this joke thread...
Have a good weekend!
68 posted on 03/24/2007 8:49:18 PM PDT by Verax

98 posted on 03/27/2007 12:36:15 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Congressman Billybob
"I'm pretty sure that the response to this on FR will be that I'm preaching to the choir. "

The strength of a choir lay in its numbers, volume and willingness to sing.

99 posted on 03/27/2007 12:41:10 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Congressman Billybob

In my opinion, you can never be harsh when dealing with liberals.


100 posted on 03/27/2007 12:42:37 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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