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Why do Democrats crave defeat?
Townhall.com ^ | March 25, 2007 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 03/24/2007 10:39:38 PM PDT by jazusamo

Sunday, March 25, 2007

Please explain something to me. What is this obsession that liberals have with seeing America destroyed?

Why are they so intent on humiliating their fellow citizens? And why don't they have at least some modicum of pride about the greatest nation the world has ever produced?

In other words, why are they so insistent on seeing America pummeled?

It is clear from the way they recoil when someone refers to them as "anti-American" or "unpatriotic" that there is a piece of them (however insignificantly tiny) that does not wish to be classified as such.

But I cannot for the life of me comprehend why they are so offended. It seems to me that if you love your country, that you love it most when it faces its toughest challenges. But this is not the case with John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emmanuel, and the other 215 that first authored, then voted for, the bill that would hand over victory to the terrorists we have been battling so hard to defeat since 9/11.

In their own echo-chamber vanity Murtha, Pelosi and company believe themselves to be smarter than the commanders of the operations in the war on terror. And they believe that we will sit mesmerized, like sheep, while they single-handedly attempt to give the terrorists a date for victory - August 31, 2008.

But they didn't just author defeat - they campaigned for it.

Only a day or two earlier the "let the terrorists win" bill looked like it was in deep trouble. Some of the more socially conservative blue-dog democrats argued that it would not play well to the average citizen to be authoring a bill, and to hold hostage the paychecks of the men and women in uniform over the issue of when we give victory to the other side.

And that is when the $96 million dollar supplement began to expand like Murtha's waistline. When it was finally passed it had ballooned to nearly $124 million.

Now don't get me wrong - I think that spending more on defense is nearly always a good thing. The problem with this evolving spending measure was that it was all about the pork. The additional $28 million added to the bill was the price of all the "gimmes" that Democrat leadership was forced to pony up just to bribe, er... buy, scratch that... secure the reluctant congressional members’ votes. And by increasing the price tag by more than an additional one fourth of the monies of the original supplement, they were only able to get 218 votes - the barest of bare minimums to get the measure passed.

So not only did the Democrats author a resolution that called for the terrorists to claim victory on August 31, 2008, not only did they twist arms of lower ranking members to get them on board, now they were willing to spend the money that you and I are sending them by way of our tax bill - to fund the effort to buy congressional members' loyalty to the concept of the terrorists winning.

Am I the only one in America that thinks this is truly, dastardly, diabolically - sick?

Personally I believe I work far too many hours, for not nearly enough money, to be paying the exorbitant amount of taxes - to only have them be used against the safety and welfare of my family.

How do these people sleep at night?

It is one thing to attempt to a have a philosophical position that spouts platitudes about the violence of our world. It's another to be against war as a general principle and long for the day when conflicts can truly be decided by judgment and fair play.

But when we have sinister forces on earth that seek our destruction and we have members of Congress who instead of representing the safety, security, and freedoms of America - decide instead to take our own income and bankroll our future destruction, then somebody, somewhere has to say something!

Fortunately we have a President who will have the judgment to veto this measure. But I am still greatly disturbed by the fact that the "People's House" of those who represent us, are so eager to wave the flag of surrender. They could not telegraph any more precisely how they would like to see us lose, and the terrorists win, than by putting a date on a piece of legislation for total terrorist victory… And they did it before our watching eyes.

It is unwise to believe that 218 congressional members know more about the situation on the ground than the commanders who serve us without political bias or corruption.

It is unsafe to surrender the type of staging ground Iraq would become if we were to leave the terrorists there unmolested and undefeated.

It is un-American to act in the interest of our enemies.

It is unpatriotic (against one’s love for one’s own country) to legislate, campaign in favor of, and bribe representatives to vote for defeat.

And it is unacceptable that Democrats spit on “We The People” in this fashion.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrat; democrats; dncvalues; kmc; liberalagenda; liberals; stuckonstupid
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To: jazusamo

bttt


121 posted on 03/25/2007 10:13:24 AM PDT by Txsleuth (I don't know who I am voting for yet...just window shopping.)
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To: jazusamo

John Bolton would be a superb AG, although at this point I would be happy to see John Ashcroft back on the job after the abysmal performance of Alberto VO5.


122 posted on 03/25/2007 10:13:58 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: Chgogal

That needs its own thread........


123 posted on 03/25/2007 10:28:48 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: jazusamo

Nothing the Democrats do in Iraq will even make the top 100 on the anti-Americanism list. Iraq will pass (probably disastrously) and can't be made into domestic political success.


124 posted on 03/25/2007 10:52:50 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: Chgogal; jazusamo; smoothsailing

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806460/posts


125 posted on 03/25/2007 10:58:56 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Darkwolf377

"Because Democrats were brought up to believe that the USA, unlike any other civilized society, was born out of sin--slavery, genocide, cheating, bigotry and greed. Thus, it is an unholy creation and deserves to be squashed so a new, pure socialist society can be created from the ashes, a society clean of sins because it overthrew that tainted civilization.

Thus, anything done to hasten the destruction of this nation is a GOOD thing."

Hey, that's what I was going to write, except for starting a sentence with a subordinating conjunction. LOL


126 posted on 03/25/2007 11:02:37 AM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: jazusamo

I believe that the Clintons are the most class conscious because they do not have class. The biggest problem I have with the Clintons and the Democrats is that they allow Hollywood actors and actresses to influence their views on how to run the country. During the eight years of Clinton rule there were endless actors and actresses partying at the White House, staying overnight, chatting on the phone with then President Clinton about how he should be running the country, etc.

With GW in office Hollywood has been shunted back to LA where they belong and since then they (actors and actresses) have been in hysterics because their power and influence has no sway anymore. The Clintons gave those monsters access to real power and all of them have been going through withdrawl ever since. The reason they've been working rabidly for the Democrats is that they know once a Democrat is back in power, they'll have access to power they once had and won't be held accountable for.


127 posted on 03/25/2007 11:22:21 AM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: Tut

Great post, Tut.

Bump


128 posted on 03/25/2007 1:49:37 PM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: jazusamo

Because Bush craves victory?


129 posted on 03/25/2007 6:10:18 PM PDT by Lord Basil (stupisticated - Having a refined fantasy view of the world that is typically based on group-think.)
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To: jazusamo

I am not a Michael Savage fan as of late but the obvious answer here is his...liberalism is a mental disorder


130 posted on 03/25/2007 6:18:13 PM PDT by RacerX1128
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To: jazusamo

Democratics----Even during the civil war they craved defeat of the nation.

Called Copperheads back then.


131 posted on 03/25/2007 6:30:30 PM PDT by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: jazusamo; All

revealing article comparing (Dems) copperheads today and back then when Lincoln faced their treachery (from NR):

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjAxOWZhOWQ1YWMwNDEwMDIyYmQ0MjQwZjgyOGFkZTU=


132 posted on 03/25/2007 6:35:06 PM PDT by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: eleni121

Excellent article, eleni121, thanks for the link.


133 posted on 03/25/2007 7:21:54 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo
Am I the only one in America that thinks this is truly, dastardly, diabolically - sick?

Where have you been? This is SOP for Libs my friend.


134 posted on 03/25/2007 7:30:06 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The more I learn about Information Operations and Psychological Operations, the more I realize what a job is being done on the American domestic target audience.

Who says propaganda isn't effective? There are two reasons , IMHO, Dems crave defeat.

The first is that their moral view is that no one wins a war, and everyone loses, ergo, war is bad. If we win, their moral world view is invalidated.

The second is their victim mentality. If you win, you can't be a victim.

135 posted on 03/26/2007 1:48:39 PM PDT by PsyOp (Self-defense is a part of the law of nature - Barclay)
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To: jazusamo
Some of the guys here are talking about the Viet Nam war and it's aftermath. Old Viet Nam boy myself.

I saw the Left do the same things then that they are doing today. I saw a classic and massive propaganda campaign intending, and succeeding, in causing our defeat.

I saw many dead boys, but the worst thing was watching our lads slowly die of their wounds in St. Alban's hospital here in the United States. The slow and unavoidable excruciating death of a kid shot through the lower spine with his intestines and manly parts smashed, his family coming to visit weekly and their total lack of hope. His death took a couple of years.

So, those people are up to their old tricks. Throwing away the lives of our best young men, trampling on their sacrifice, spitting on their honor.

I am really getting disgusted. Bin Laden predicted that America would lose because Americans are evil cowards. That we would run away. Looks like he was right.
136 posted on 03/28/2007 11:11:22 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Iris7

I agree.

For the elected officials who take this disasterous course because they were too young to realize what was happening at the time, I fault them for not studying and learning the hideous results of the actions taken then.

For the elected officials who lived through and knew full well those results, to take that same course again is traitorous and reflects their total lack of caring for our country and other peoples of this world.


137 posted on 03/28/2007 11:32:40 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Iris7
Bin Laden predicted that America would lose because Americans are evil cowards. That we would run away. Looks like he was right.

Well, he appears to be half right, judging from those in the House and Senate that voted for the withdrawal timetable. I'll have to agree to that extent, they are evil, traitorous cowards.

138 posted on 03/28/2007 11:40:41 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (After 20+ LONG years, a REAL conservative I can support 4 President - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: jazusamo

Why do they crave defeat? So the French can feel better about being invaded....again.


139 posted on 03/28/2007 11:43:02 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

What we have seen, are seeing, is a very standard propaganda campaign. Absolutely obvious to me, and to you. A very crude, heavy handed, pounding drumbeat of repetition of the same lie and carefully selected emotionally loaded images. Classic.

People fall for it, hook, line, and sinker.

Be nice if kids were formally taught to recognize propaganda, but then their teachers would have to be able to recognize propaganda themselves. To do so they would expose themselves nakedly to their own uselessness and stupidity, their helplessness, and the evil they have done.

Never happen.


140 posted on 03/28/2007 12:45:52 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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