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How the Falklands War was won
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 27/03/2007 | Michael Novak

Posted on 03/27/2007 5:46:57 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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To: mainepatsfan
" First underpants, then ?, then profit" - under ware gnomes
61 posted on 03/27/2007 6:56:57 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: mainepatsfan

Britain also had help from Pinochet, and guys like him aren't exactly in vogue in South America these days.


62 posted on 03/27/2007 6:56:59 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: jim_trent

Sadly your info/memory in incorrect. No Vulcan was in any museum and had to be taken out of it. All the Vulcans that were used were still in the air force squadron inventory.

The tanker support was from Victors. The Victor was the stablemate of the Vulcan, but had been converted to tanker duties many years previous. The tanker variant of the Vulcan came into service after the Falklands conflict.

The missions were flown from Ascension Island's Wideawake airfield.


63 posted on 03/27/2007 6:58:09 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: jim_trent

What you probably remember is the team that went to Castle Air Force museum in 1982. They went there to remove the refuelling probe from the Vulcan that was put on display there in 1981. No Vulcan was flown out of any museum to participate in the conflict.


64 posted on 03/27/2007 7:02:26 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: sukhoi-30mki
capturing Mt Harriet and Goat Fudge.

Is Goat Fudge, what I think it is?

65 posted on 03/27/2007 7:06:47 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Posted by Time's Man of the Year)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Never underestimate the Brits.
Their intelligence service nearly rivals that of Israel.
Their military people are intelligent, well trained and determined.
If they want to do something, do not get in their way.
Too many nations have underestimated their resolve and resources and have come to regret their underestimation.

The Brits are a good ally and we will stand with them in anything that they do.


66 posted on 03/27/2007 7:08:57 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: kronos77

You really need to do some research.

No Pucara got anywhere near a carrier. You do know how far east from the Falklands that the carriers were operating?

Would you care to name this Argentine Pucara pilot who is alleged to have attacked the carrier?

The Argentines would have had to have popped up to use such weapons as optical weapons against naval vessels. The last thing that a pilot would have wanted. The ships defences kept the Argentines down low. So low that their bombs didn't fuze correctly. No Argentine pilot would have used a Maverick in such circumstances. He would have been a sitting duck.


The Argentines gave up on the idea of extending the runway due to the fact that it had been cratered at a mid-way point. This one crater from the 1,000 pounder did enough damage to render it incapable of supporting high speed jets. They also gave up on putting runway arrestor gear and any further as basing such assets would have resulted in their destruction.

No high performance jets could have operated from Stanley airfield for any lengh of period. The constant bombardment of the airfield would have hampered any such operation of high performance aircraft. The Sea Harrier patrols would have simply sat off from the airfield and engaged any fighter aircraft that took off.


67 posted on 03/27/2007 7:15:47 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Jack_Macca; All
I sugest that USA bomb london.
I have just joined so no-one would listen, but I find that very offensive. As well as Israel and Australia, there is no other nation on God's Earth that puts it's young people alongside Americans to die if necessary for what it believes in.


I'm listening FRiend, welcome to FR and ditto to what you've said about the absurd notion of 'bombing London'.

If a conservative Brit were to suggest that Detroit and/or Dearborn should be bombed due to the high density of Muslims, we would find that highly offensive. When the time comes, we'll clean out our own nest of Islamo-subversives, and so too will the UK.

In addition to Israel and Australia, I would put in a plug for Canada, the CF are more than pulling their weight in Afghanistan, indeed: were it not for the Canadians by our side in that theatre of operations, we might be in dire straits keeping the Karzai government stable.
68 posted on 03/27/2007 7:20:53 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: kronos77

Kronos please stop with the stupidity. Are you seriously suggesting that the Russians supplied the UK with sat imagery? If you have read your rumours correctly then you would have seen that it was claimed that the Russians suppled Argentina with sat imagery.

The Belgrano along with the Argentine carrier had been trailed for days using the SSNs. All very basic stuff. Both Argentine battle groups. Group North led by the carrier and group south led by the Belgrano had to emit using both sonar and radar. Easily detectable and trackable. The SSNs were shadowing the Argentine surface fleet for weeks beforehand. The Argentine had no option but to withdraw their surface fleet as the RN SSN threat was far too potent.


69 posted on 03/27/2007 7:24:09 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: mainepatsfan

Oh, I remember that. It was a major "Hindenberg" moment when the British ships were sunk by Exocets and bombs.


70 posted on 03/27/2007 7:24:53 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Hajjis HATE the waterboard! It can turn a clam into a canary so fast Harry Potter would be jealous.)
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To: Tommyjo
Tommyjo said to 'kronos77':

You are a complete idiot.

Well we might not agree on other issues Tommyjo, but we do agree on that. ;)
71 posted on 03/27/2007 7:26:17 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: FreeAtlanta

And also note that he comes out with even more increasingly BS claims in his 'anti-Brit' rant.


72 posted on 03/27/2007 7:27:49 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: mkjessup; Tommyjo

As a complete idiot myself, I am offended by the comparison.


73 posted on 03/27/2007 7:28:06 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: BuffaloJack

I respect the Brits immensely.If it were any other nation fighting the Argentines in 82',I would doubt their chances of success.The Brits faced serious odds.But they are doing their cause no good by shedding much of their military.


74 posted on 03/27/2007 7:29:24 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Mr. Lucky
As a complete idiot myself, I am offended by the comparison

I've seen nothing in your posting to suggest any such thing.

Although I did enjoy your comment about George Prescott Bush joining the Navy Reserve in which you said he probably wouldn't start out as an 'admirable'. LOL ;)
75 posted on 03/27/2007 7:31:26 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: kronos77

Well if they can fight as good as you spell I think a few 5 year old girl baseball players would win pretty quick.


76 posted on 03/27/2007 7:31:41 AM PDT by MadMitch
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To: kronos77

My friend, you can have your bizarre petty hatreds of Britain if you like. That is your choice - maybe you had a bad experience with a girl or something.

But I'll say this if you don't mind. If I was a Serb I'd be a bit more concerned with Serbia than Britain.

Brits don't shoot down American bombers or only in the last decade allowed monsters like Arkan to slaughter innocent children. I've heard he is still a hero in Serbia.

Are you familier with the term: "Get your own house in order"?


77 posted on 03/27/2007 7:36:01 AM PDT by Jack_Macca
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To: kronos77

They just assumed the British wouldn't fight back and we all know what assumption is the mother of.


78 posted on 03/27/2007 7:40:30 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: LibWhacker
What?!? Was Novak born yesterday? I followed that little war closely and the talk at the time was how slow and deliberate the Brits were taking things, in order to give diplomacy time to work. It took forever for the fleet to arrive at the Falklands once it left England. The Argentines were given every opportunity to reconsider.

You are absolutey correct. I recall the attack fleet was described as advancing at a "diplomatic speed" while they simultaneously carried out training for the Air Force Harrier pilots to get time landing on a moving ship.

And once the shooting started, the press did their best to wring their hands over the Harrier losses, helicopter losses, and of course the loss of the HMS Sheffield.

As I recall it, there was no cheering of Thatcher until the shooting was over.

79 posted on 03/27/2007 7:41:26 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: doc30

I was just wondering how much of the rest of the world thought the same thing.


80 posted on 03/27/2007 7:41:47 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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