The Gathering Storm Against Giuliani (Known Pro-Life Activists vow to oppose him in the GENERAL)

CBN ^ | 3-28-07 | David Brody

[TitansAFC]

Here's a heads up for the Giuliani campaign. It's coming. It's coming very soon. Beware. Run for your lives! As I write this, there is plotting going among grassroots religious conservatives in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and many other states. They want to take down Rudy and they plan to do everything in their power to do it. I received this email from an influential Republican activist who, lets just say, has an extensive mailing list among the conservative grassroots network. Here's what he told me:

"If Rudy Giuliani is put up for President by the Stupid Party, I will work 40 hours a week as a volunteer to destroy his candidacy for President; that is how important the prolife position -- and other social issues-- is to many people of faith. Sure, the Evil Party might get control of the White House again, and the Stupid Party might therefore go the way of the Whig Party in the early 1800's, but so be it. The Republican Party must NEVER nominate a pro-abortion candidate. That would be far worse than the Republican Party putting up a pro-slavery candidate in the mid-1800's. That is how strong many of us feel David. Many of us will also be putting in 40 hours a week during the primary/caucus season to defeat Giuliani at all costs."

Tough words. Don't think for a second that these activists aren't serious. They are. They know Rudy is getting some traction from social conservatives and they are not going to take for granted that Giuliani will fade once his views are known. As these activists galvanize, they could star in a movie.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

....but there's "victory" in having Hillary running things for 8 years? Making Supreme nominations for 8 years?

It'll never happen. A stronger, more conservative GOP Congress will emerge in 2010. People hate one-party rule, and Dems aren't immune from this either. See 1994.

[The_Eaglet]

(Unless they run a joint ticket with the Constitution Party, I do not expect my oft-favored Libertarians to run a pro-life candidate in 2008)

I hear a lot of talk among Libertarian (with the capital L) leaders about supporting Paul. I think a lot of political support will come from the LP regardless of whether he gets their formal nomination.

[Barnacle]

Republicans love to eat their own, especially if it leads to the election of you know who.

Our own? How this character is allowed to put an "R" behind his name is beyond me.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

[Registered]

I received this email from an influential Republican activist who, lets just say, has an extensive mailing list among the conservative grassroots network.

Bet ya it's Keyes or Rightmarch. I also bet they will use Guilliani as a fundraising "tool" as well.

Look for the "We need your donation to fight Rudy!" email and flyers coming your way soon!

[narses]

• Disdain for the Constitution
  Mayor Giuliani routinely disregarded the First Amendment as he rejected requests for information from news organizations and civic groups and opposed public access to city hall steps and parks for demonstrations. "Freedom is about authority," Giuliani said, responding to critics in 1998. "Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it."

• Withholding Public Information
  In a legally questionable transaction on December 24, 2001, just days before the end of the mayor's second term, Giuliani secretly moved all 2,100 boxes of mayoral files and videos from his eight years in office. The records, which by law were to become the property of the Municipal archives, were transferred to a gated private storage facility, and their control was transferred to the Rudolph W. Giuliani Center for Urban Affairs, a newly-established private nonprofit group controlled by Giuliani.

  Angry archivists and historians denounced the unprecedented hijacking of public property to private hands. Tom Connors, of the Society of American Archivists, said the transfer seemed part of a movement to "create barriers to the American citizen's right to know what their governments are doing."

• Profiting From His Hero Status
  In February, 2002, Giuliani insisted upon transferring guardianship of the $100 million remaining in the city-run Twin Towers Fund to a private charity he controlled.

  The families of the police and fire rescuers who died in the attack balked at Giuliani's plan to take up to a year to dole out the money, with his new organization billing $2.2 million in anticipated administrative expenses (including six-figure salaries for friends he appointed as officers). The families argued that the fire union had far more quickly distributed $111 million with an estimated administrative cost of just $30,000.

  Under embarrassing pressure from the victims' families, unions and state Attorney General Elliot Spitzer, Giuliani backed down. He promised to distribute the money within 60 days and fund his overhead from new donations. The families of the deceased rescuers, the real heroes of the September 11 attacks, received a one-time benefit of about $230,000 each from the Giuliani-privatized fund in 2002. That year, the former mayor earned some $8 million in speaking fees alone, more than $650,000 per month.

• Heather MacDonald, City Journal, January 14, 2004 (FrontPageMag.com)
  Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the city’s sanctuary policy against a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS. Oh yeah? said Giuliani; just watch me. The INS, he claimed, with what turned out to be grotesque irony, only aims to “terrorize people.” Though he lost in court, he remained defiant to the end. On September 5, 2001, his handpicked charter-revision committee ruled that New York could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential to preserve trust between immigrants and government. Six days later, several visa-overstayers participated in the most devastating attack on the city and the country in history.

  New York conveniently forgot the 1996 federal ban on sanctuary laws until a gang of five Mexicans—four of them illegal—abducted and brutally raped a 42-year-old mother of two near some railroad tracks in Queens. The NYPD had already arrested three of the illegal aliens numerous times for such crimes as assault, attempted robbery, criminal trespass, illegal gun possession, and drug offenses. The department had never notified the INS.

  On the issues: Liberal Party endorsement of Giuliani

  National Review: Rockefeller quote

  New York Observer: Reagan Republican quote

  New York Observer: Republican convention quote

  New York Observer: Goldwater quote

  New York Observer: Clinton quote

  New York Observer: 'Good hands' quote

[Barnacle]

"I'd much rather lose than have Rudy win. I know that I am not alone."

That's why its called the stupid party.

It's much stupider to empower someone like Giuliani to take control of your party. I'd rather lose than surrender to Liberalism (Socialism).

[writeblock]

"It's much stupider to empower someone like Giuliani to take control of your party. I'd rather lose than surrender to Liberalism (Socialism)."

This is nonsense. Is Steve Forbes a socialist also? Rudy is a tax-cutting crime-fighting supply-sider. He opts to leave the social issues like abortion and gun control to the various states--but promises to nominate strict constructionists. And he's the sworn enemy of Islamo-fascism. The leftwing media fears him because of his immense competence and because it knows he would win enough blue states to produce an electoral landslide--and put the Congress back into GOP hands. What more should Republican conservatives want? We're not electing a pope.

[Ms. AntiFeminazi]

I like the way it starts off by calling the people they're trying to convince the Stupid Party. Yes, that's sure to win us over. lol

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I hear a lot of talk among Libertarian (with the capital L) leaders about supporting Paul. I think a lot of political support will come from the LP regardless of whether he gets their formal nomination.

Oh, I hope you're right. It's not impossible that the old (and new!) Ron Paul faction in the LP will be enough to swing their Convention into offering Ron Paul the LP nomination, even though he's not actively seeking it! I have similar hopes for the Constitution Party.

But, if Rudy Giuliani wins the GOP nomination, and Ron Paul does not pursue an independent/Third Party campaign, I am not aware of a Pro-Life Libertarian candidate waiting in the wings. And as I will never vote for a Pro-Abortion candidate in the General, that will leave one Party I can count on: Constitution.

However, that's getting ahead of myself. My hope is to see a combined Republican-Constitution-Libertarian Nomination for Ron Paul.

[LadyDoc]

Hillary is going to be the Democratic candidate. She will push abortion using the courts and the US State department, as did her husband, to coerce Catholic countries to legalize abortion. She will go along with the European union's goal of a faith free NWO.

Guilliani is the only one who can win against her. I'd prefer Brownbach, but after seeing the hatred of Bush, much of it because he is a Christian, imagine what would happen with Sam...

So Guilliani would be my choice. Sorry. A half of a loaf is better than none.

[The_Eaglet]

"But, if Rudy Giuliani wins the GOP nomination, and Ron Paul does not pursue an independent/Third Party campaign, I am not aware of a Pro-Life Libertarian candidate waiting in the wings."

Neither am I, but this is a different case for the Constitution Party.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I am not aware of a Pro-Life Libertarian candidate waiting in the wings. ~~ Neither am I, but this is a different case for the Constitution Party.

Yes, you CP folks don't really have to worry about a Pro-Abort being nominated by your Convention. (OP indulges in Sin of Envy)

Best, OP

[Phlap]

In November 2008 there will almost certainly be three choices. Herevilself, Rudy, stay home(AKA Herevilself). Who ya got?

[ElectricStrawberry]

I don't think the turn around will be that soon....the pendulumm swings slower in the Congress than elsewhere. Took how many decades of lib-rule to get a somewhat conservative majority?

However, that still leaves Hillary with 8 years to make Supreme nominations and, as evidenced in the recent past, the Republicans don't have the nads to obstruct a nominee like the Dems do. THEY get away with it, Pubs do not. THey'll get hammered by the press if they pulled that threatened filibuster crap that the Dems do.

Add at least one more Ginsburg to the Big Bench.

Doesn't sound like a victory to me....

[writeblock]

The Senate is almost evenly divided. The dems just barely made it in the House. We need to nominate our strongest contender and pick up blue states. Only Rudy can do this. He would at the very least tip the House our way. If he won by a landslide, we would win both houses.

[veronica]

I'd much rather lose than have Rudy win.

[TitansAFC]

She looks happy to see Rudy!

[veronica]

She's thanking you for your childish attitude.

[veronica]

[Leatherneck_MT]

The time to fight him is now, the time to defeat him is in the Primaries.

I don't want to be faced with having to choose between dumb and dumber in the general election. I'll have to leave both boxes blank if that's the case.