Testimony by Giuliani Indicates He Was Briefed on Kerik in ’00 (NY Times Hit)

NYTimes via Drudge Report ^ | March 30, 2007 | William K. Rashbaum

[Liz]

This is just the beginning of Rudyboys troubles. All that has been posted over the last weeks are things that we know.What is alarming is what there is on him that we will find out the hard way.

N-i-c-e take.

Rudeo is a nightmare and a danger to our Nation.

He is a con man, whose limited abilities revolve around deceiving voters into his scheme to get into power.

[KATIE-O]

Helen Giuliani said of her son: "He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't" EXACT QUOTE. In an unpublished 1988 interview (quoted by Barrett in Rudy!), Helen Giuliani said of her son: "He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't."

[KATIE-O]

In an unpublished 1988 interview (quoted by Barrett in Rudy!), Helen Giuliani said of her son: "He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't."

An "unpublished 1988 Interview??????" lol How convenient.

[mkjessup]

Well that's encouraging Katie, sounds like you're beginning to see the light!

Next up:

Rudy left New York City awash in red ink, and current Mayor Michael Bloomberg is up to his armpits in debt.

It's true, look it up for yourself.

Happy to help.

[mkjessup]

An "unpublished 1988 Interview??????" lol How convenient.

So who are you calling a liar Katie, are you disputing what Mrs. Guiliani had to say about her boy?

[KATIE-O]

Next up:

Rudy left New York City awash in red ink, and current Mayor Michael Bloomberg is up to his armpits in debt.

It's true, look it up for yourself.

Happy to help.

Uh, wasn't that on the heels of the worst disaster this country has ever experienced? And NYC was ground zero?

No surprises here. But Rudy's long record speaks for itself. You should read it sometime.

[KATIE-O]

An "unpublished 1988 Interview??????" lol How convenient.

So who are you calling a liar Katie, are you disputing what Mrs. Guiliani had to say about her boy?

I would look with skepticism on any "unpublished 1988 interview." Rudy has a history of conservatism on most issues.

[mkjessup]

I would look with skepticism on any "unpublished 1988 interview." Rudy has a history of conservatism on most issues.

Say WHAT?!?

Katie, it's a little early in the day to be drinking, don't you think?

("Rudy has a history of conservatism on most issues" - Oh my GAWD, my ribs can't take much more of this,,,,ROTFLMAO!!!!!)

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Ask yourself, why is the NYT printing a hit piece on Giuliani?"

Ask another question...what kind of bizarro world have we crossed over into, where (some) FReepers and the Gray Lady stand side by side.

One of the two changed..and I don;t think that the NYT has decided to become more conservative.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Great posts.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Freedom is the right to make the wrong choices."

Choices carry consequences, and lawful authority is what we have all granted the various levels of government, and the agreed upon standard that we have all set in place, to make sure that you face the consequences of your wrong choices, or are absolved of them.

Anything less than that is anarchy, and loss of freedom ensues.

[FairOpinion]

"...what kind of bizarro world have we crossed over into, where (some) FReepers and the Gray Lady stand side by side."

You are certainly making a sad, but excellent point.

[CharlesWayneCT]

I don't know, have you seen anybody saying nice things about the New York Times in this thread?

Actually, have you seen anybody say anything on either side particularly helpful to determining whether Rudy is a good candidate?

A couple of people tried to discuss the merits of the relationship between Rudy and Kerik, but the Rudy supporters want to forget Kerik exists.

[Artemis Webb]

bump for later

[mware]

The NY Times may be sorry they bashed Rudy if Fred Thompson becomes the Republican nominee.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Authority is a damper on freedom that is a necessary evil because of the evil of humanity. It has nothing to do with freedom, except that it guarantees that our freedom will be constrained such that it doesn't interfere with others.

In the process, being wielded by flawed men, it also takes away our freedom for no reason other than power, stupidity, or sheer lazyness.

It's easier for example to simply ban 18-year-olds from drinking, than to teach them responsible drinking and vigorously enforce the laws preventing minors from getting alcohol. And it's easier to ban me from growing pot in my back yard than to police the smoking of that weed, even though the pot in my back yard harms nobody.

Once you give government authority to restrict your freedom, it is imperative to put in power people who find the use of it abhorent. Those who enjoy using their power over people, like Rudy, will inevitably take away your freedoms for no reason because they are lazy, power-mad, or stupid.

Like banning guns because it's easier than policing their use, or banning ferrets because, well, I haven't figured out year why Rudy was upset with ferrets, maybe he just didn't like them and, being power-hungry, figured if he didnt like them then he was mayor and nobody could have them in "his city".

Anybody bothered by the "his city", and "his auditorium" stuff? Sure, he kicked out Afafat so we were all "happy", but what if some really strongly opinionated pro-life person was showing up and Rudy didn't like HIM and kicked him out of "my auditorium". Wouldn't you then wonder how something paid for by all the taxpayers of the city became "Rudy's"?

[CharlesWayneCT]

We need authority for freedom, but freedom is not giving in to authority. Authority is anathema to freedom.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Well, they know that if Rudy wins the primary, it's over for Hillary. So they need to stop Rudy from getting the nomination.

So much for the MSM loving Rudy, LOL.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Can one of you please explain something to me please.

I swear I'm not trying to be a wise ass and I really don't have an agenda, but...

Is the NY Times pro or against Rudy? Half the time I think that they want to see him be the Republican nominee because they think it's a partial victory for liberals if a pro choice, pro gay, pro gun control candidate gets the GOP nomination. Then sometimes, they seem to cringe at the idea of a tax cutting, supply side, Friedmanomics, military hawk ruling for 4 years.

Which is it?

I like to read the Times with a grain of salt. I'm just not sure what their angle is.

[RDTF]

I'm with you