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Ban the Bulb?
American Thinker ^ | April 03, 2007 | Luminus Maximus

Posted on 04/04/2007 12:36:46 AM PDT by neverdem

In a few weeks the US Congress is likely to vote to phase out the standard incandescent lightbulb within a decade. The frantic race to see who can best appease the global warming alarmists will claim another victim, the friendly glow of the direct descendant of Thomas Edison's filament-based light bulb.  

Why would the humble lightbulb, a staple commodity that has raised the standard of living throughout the world, be in the bullseye?  It was the incandescent electric light bulb that abolished the tyranny of the night. Our 19th and 20th century ancestors believed it one of the greatest gifts of civilization because they had directly experienced life before electric lighting changed everything. In 2002, former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld briefly reminded us of this blessing when he commented on the satellite imagery revealing the nighttime darkness in North Korea, but other than this brief moment, we seem to have forgotten what we owe to Edison's first invention.  


Ironically, the lowly lightbulb became one of the icons of the New Deal, forever connected with the Rural Electrification Act of 1936. The REA and the TVA enabled cheap electric power to be available everywhere, even on the remotest farms and ranches. And a substantial part of the American people fell in love with big government because it brought this fruit of civilization, the rollback of the night, to all Americans.

But today, more than anything else, the humble lightbulb is altogether another sort of convenient symbol for big government-a technology dinosaur, perpetrator of evil crimes against the planet.  Stopping the wasteful use of kilowatts by American households in the war on greenhouse gases is the new battle cry of the lovers of governmental control over our lives.

There are about 4 billion conventional screw-in light bulb sockets all across America; the vast majority are in homes and apartments. Incandescent light bulbs are in most of these sockets, with some 2 billion or more replaced every year. It is estimated at least $15 billion of electricity is consumed by these inefficient anachronisms, and that by replacing them with more energy efficient types of lightbulbs-primarily post-modern compact fluorescents--that $15 billion could be cut in half.

We are told that as kilowatts could be reduced, we would need fewer nasty coal-fired power generating plants, while winning a major battle against global warming with little pain and even less effort. Everybody wins!

Well, not exactly. Once again, a nice-sounding theory overlooks significant details of the practical outcomes.

Energy conservation lobbyists conveniently overlook the obvious fact that household lightbulbs are primarily used at night-exactly opposite the time of day in which utilities experience peak load demands for daytime heating, air conditioning and commercial lighting. Peak load shedding is what is most necessary for taking coal fired power plants out of commission.

Reducing nighttime lightbulb consumption of kwhs will do almost nothing to shave peak demand.  Moreover, with non-peak kwhs reduced at night, utilities will now have fewer revenues on which to earn a return on their invested capital. Utilities must build up their physical plant to meet the peaks, and the capital to finance that equipment has to be paid for 24 hours a day.  Thus, utilities will have to raise rates on the remainder of the kwhs we use for everything else, from washing machines to hair dryers to computers.

Household power used by lightbulbs is actually dwarfed these days by major appliances and high tech consumer electronics- such as wide screen TVs, computers and video games along with internet servers, the biggest energy hogs besides cars and trucks.

And since the new CFLs produce inferior light compared to incandescents, we'll need more of them to read, shave, comb our hair and brush our teeth.  Assuming literacy and personal hygiene are still hallmarks of civilized life after the global warming alarmists are done with their crusade to rid us of the blessings of the evil civilization that rapes Mother Gaia.

By banning the incandescent lightbulb Congress will forcibly remove a staple commodity from the marketplace, replacing it with products that are far more expensive, less reliable and more hazardous, notably the much ballyhooed compact fluorescent lightbulb (CFL).

CFL lightbulbs have been around for well over a decade. Only recently have they come in enough varieties and flavors to capture about 10% of the available sockets. But they are still at least 5 times more expensive than regular incandescents, which if replaced in their entirety would cost consumers an extra $4 to 5 billion at the cash register. No doubt millions of Americans will enthusiastically embrace this new technology and be willing to pay extra to get it.

But millions more will not fare so well. This ban will be a tax on poor people and the silent majority-retirees on fixed incomes, single working parents, low wage earners working double shifts or two jobs along with the average Joes and Marys who live each week paycheck-to-paycheck. They don't have cable TV to watch the Home and Garden channel, and can't afford to replace their functional if drab table lamp fixtures, much less employ a green ideology-toting residential lighting designer.

For these Americans, burdens come in large packages. Relief arrives less often, and then in small envelopes, such as reduced inflationary pressures on staple commodities like lightbulbs and all the necessities of life purchased at low prices from Wal-Mart. Of course Wal-Mart is yet another enemy of the trendy affluent class that wants to dictate how the rest of us lead our lives. 

And guess where the extra purchase prices for these CFLs will wind up? In the pockets of Chinese manufacturers, because not a single CFL is produced in the US.

And it gets worse. As Chinese manufacturers add enough manufacturing capacity to produce ten times as many CFLs , they will need several new coal-fired power plants to run the new factories.  This comes on top of the already breathtaking pace today of construction in coal fired electric power plants in China  - at a clip of one new plant every week. Don't even think about asking about what kind of pollution control will be operating on those Chinese plants.

A tax on poor people in the US so the Chinese can add more coal fired power plants. Now there's a bright idea.

There's even more to this story: one more dirty little secret that the greens won't tell you about.

CFLs contain mercury. You didn't know that? Just a drop you say?  How about up to 5 milligrams per lightbulb. If all 4 billion incandescent sockets were filled with CFLs we'd have 20 billion milligrams of mercury spread around every single US household. By the way, 20 billion milligrams is nearly 50,000 pounds.

That 50,000 pounds of mercury amongst 300 million people, if indiscriminately thrown away, will eventually find its way to your favorite landfill and public drinking water supply. Knock over a table lamp and shatter a CFL in your house, and you have a toxic waste situation on your hands right in the living room, bedroom or dining room.

On the other hand, at least half of all mercury emissions from coal fired power plants currently is captured by scrubbers, and clean coal technologies promise to eliminate 2/3rds of what remains. Not so for CFLs-- which can't operate without mercury.

So there you have it. Congress will soon enact legislation to impose a tax on poor people that will directly pass to Chinese companies, contribute to lower literacy and less personal hygiene while making industrial policy that will increase greenhouse gas emissions worldwide and spread a hazardous heavy metal into the environment.

Ban the bulb is a no-brainer , only this time the empty-headed variety.

Luminus Maximus is the pen name of a longtime observer of the industry


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ban; cfls; climatechange; compactfluorescents; congress; dimbulbsdems; econazis; econuts; electricity; energy; globalwarming; incandescents; legislation; lightbulbs; mandate; phaseout
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1 posted on 04/04/2007 12:36:48 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
A year ago I put fluorescent bulbs throughout my entire house in a bid to save money. I found that fluorescent lights give me a headache. I actually switched to candles for about a week to get away from that horrid light before I finally broke down and switched back. There went a hundred dollars down the drain.

I suppose I'd better stock up on a lifetime supply of the regular kind.

2 posted on 04/04/2007 12:51:04 AM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: neverdem

Fluorescent lamps do give inferior light, but incandescent bulbs are really power-inefficient. There’s just too many better technologies out there to be relying on the tungsten filament.

Now, I don’t think the gov’t should ban it - as the libs like to say, you can’t legislate morality, and forcing people to use a more green bulb isn’t going to make them environmentally conscious. It actually would probably make them less considerate of their own environmental choices, thinking the guvmint will take care of it.


3 posted on 04/04/2007 1:02:14 AM PDT by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: neverdem

Just effing brilliant.


4 posted on 04/04/2007 1:17:56 AM PDT by jwh_Denver ("Planet of the Apes" happened because people wouldn't proof read their posts.)
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To: Marie
The curleyques are only good for outside all night lights, little ones, not for light, just to show someone is home. Supposedly the 40 watt equivilent lumen output curlies only use 13 watts.

They last a long, long time but the light output is horrible (kinda like a russian apartment with one 25 watt bulb) and they are too expensive.

I have replaced three or four in two years and I sure didn't call HAZMAT to come get them.

yitbos

5 posted on 04/04/2007 1:20:55 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Marie
I have read recently that CFLs ( the compact fluorescents) don't last as long as advertised as well..
Personal experience has found that some of them don't have proper "starters" in them and flicker on and off..
They sometimes don't work well with electronic switches..

The real solution lies somewhere else..
Light Emitting Diodes.. (LEDs)

LEDs have only recently started to become even close to economical..
They aren't there yet, but they are getting there..
Another problem has been "white light" LEDs..
Only recently have white LEDs been produced..
Since they are "new" even compared to standard LEDs, they are also,... more expensive..

But this too, will pass..
LEDs are cooler, like CFLs, and very energy efficient..
They will be the lighting for the 21st century..

6 posted on 04/04/2007 1:27:12 AM PDT by Drammach ("If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: neverdem

I just skimmed the article...are they trying to ban Al Gore...the dim bulb?!


7 posted on 04/04/2007 1:31:06 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: MIT-Elephant

>>>> This ban will be a tax on poor people <<<<

Oh oh you know what that will lead to more of (the gov. already gives vouchers out to go
to Wal-Mart to get CFL’s)

I have a mix over the house. Some places ok but other places the incandescent works better.

When you need full light now or were it’s cold or detailed work bench the list goes on.

Can you see the next crime? .....Felony light bulb possession, Black market bulbs,Lightkeepers (see Fahrenheit 451)


8 posted on 04/04/2007 1:43:39 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: Marie
“I found that fluorescent lights give me a headache.”

Right on Marie. I live in Shanghai and fluorescent lighting is used throughout China. In addition to give me a headache, these things are dim, causing the addition of extra lights to achieve some modicum of decent lighting. Also, it is very irritating when walking into a dark room, flip the light switch on, then have to wait a second or two for these flickering things to stabilize and provide enough light to enter the room. There will have to be significant improvements in fluorescent lights before Americans will buy into them I think.

9 posted on 04/04/2007 1:50:58 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: neverdem
The government shouldn’t interfere. Let people decide what best works for them.

The article is in error when they say it is a tax on poor people to use CFLs. The cost of the energy saved over the life of a typical CFL more than offsets the additional initial cost of the CFL. The overall savings is usually more than double the cost of the CFL. So if you’re poor, using CFL’s will make you a little less poor.

10 posted on 04/04/2007 1:52:55 AM PDT by DB
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To: Marie

I switched to CFL’s because you never have change them. However, I think it is a stupid idea to make it illegal to buy a regular light bulb. And what about lights in dimmer circuits. CFL’s are either on or off.


11 posted on 04/04/2007 1:59:10 AM PDT by NavVet (O)
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To: Drammach
“I have read recently that CFLs ( the compact fluorescents) don’t last as long as advertised as well..”

Especially if you live in an area of thunderstorms, or other voltage surges. In my experience, the premature failures eliminated any savings.

CFLs are still the same ancient technology that is well over
70 years old. Only the solid state ballast has made them compact.

I think LED bulbs will be in the future.
I envision matrix structures of diodes, much like modern
integrated circuits. (thousands of LEDs in one bulb.)

12 posted on 04/04/2007 2:15:40 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: neverdem

Great info in the article.


13 posted on 04/04/2007 2:23:42 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: neverdem
Ban the Light Bulb?

Years ago when comment sense still existed this title would have made a good April fools day?


14 posted on 04/04/2007 2:30:38 AM PDT by restornu (Accept Nothing Until It Is Verified)
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To: DB
The government shouldn't’t interfere. Let people decide what best works for them.

You must be a Conservative!
15 posted on 04/04/2007 2:40:32 AM PDT by Dallas59 (AL GORE STALKED ME ON 2/25/2007!)
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To: JoeGar

Actually I think the article is not telling you the exact truth at all.

To say this is a “tax on the poor” or ringing in extra money for the wrong people or even that it means more coal-firing plants are going to be built is breathtakingly innacurate. Consider:

CFLs do cost more, but due to the laws of supply and demand, the cost has been dropping and will drop very much more as they are more widely used. Also, they last about eight times longer (because they don’t generate as much heat) and they only use a fifth of the energy, hence lower electricity bills. They are actually less expensive now.

As for this ridiculous argument about building more plants to make them - how so? The demand for lamps isn’t going to change all that much. Surely if you are making more CFL’s you must be making fewer incandescent bulbs, so how come you are going to need extra power stations?

What this article actually does is call for a halt to progress. Incandescents are ok, but CFLs are better. However, I agree that it would be better to institute them by market forces, not legislation. I also agree that both incandescent and CFL are going to be overtaken by LED technology in the future.


16 posted on 04/04/2007 2:48:50 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: DB
The article is in error when they say it is a tax on poor people to use CFLs. The cost of the energy saved over the life

2 dollars a bulb is more than I can afford today.

17 posted on 04/04/2007 2:49:01 AM PDT by x_plus_one (As long as we pretend to not be fighting Iran in Iraq, we can't pretend to win the war.)
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To: neverdem

Fluorescent lights have a high output of UV rays. Don’t use fluorescent lights anywhere you have valuable artwork displayed unless the work is shielded with special (and costly) UV filtering glass. I’ve seen valuable signed & numbered prints rendered worthless because of fading resulting from being displayed in fluorescent lit offices.


18 posted on 04/04/2007 2:54:19 AM PDT by elli1
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To: neverdem

And, despite the persistent urban legend regarding the Great Wall of China, the electric light is truly the ONLY man-made object visible from outer space


19 posted on 04/04/2007 2:57:10 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: highlander_UW
I just skimmed the article...are they trying to ban Al Gore...the dim bulb?!

I'd like to think so, but Al would make up for it with increased volume and mass....

20 posted on 04/04/2007 3:00:11 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: Redneck with a pickup, library card, and a concealed carry permit)
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To: neverdem

21 posted on 04/04/2007 3:12:00 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Vanders9
What this article actually does is call for a halt to progress. Incandescents are ok, but CFLs are better. However, I agree that it would be better to institute them by market forces, not legislation. I also agree that both incandescent and CFL are going to be overtaken by LED technology in the future.

I almost never support any government intrusions into the marketplace. But I think the market's preference for incandescents might be one of the rare examples of genuine "market failure." First, Americans are notoriously short-sighted when it comes to basic household finance. They will continue to buy incandescents because they are "cheaper" -- even though they are much more expensive in the long run. Second, and more importantly, people who live in rental housing generally buy incandescents because they don't have any incentive to buy bulbs that last longer -- while the landlord has no incentive to put CFBs in because he doesn't pay to replace bulbs. So there's a clear collective action problem at work.

I've used CFBs for over a year. If anything, the CFBs are too bright -- they are hardly dim. I'm guessing most of the haters on this board just bought bulbs that were too weak.

22 posted on 04/04/2007 3:12:36 AM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: neverdem

I just got three 9 watters, 40 equivalent,
from wally world for 8 bucks.
I like em a lot. I recommend then for places,
‘not turned on an off a lot’.

if run for 12 hours a day,
saving 93 watts —> 1.116 kwh per day,
at 10 cents per kwh,
thats 40 bucks saved per year


23 posted on 04/04/2007 3:17:47 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: neverdem

The USA gets swept up by mass hysteria every so often. Too many people can’t think clearly and just follow the mad rush to wherever the crowd is going.

Compact fluorescent bulbs don’t fit in all fixtures!
They are not suitable for use in refrigerators and ovens. In their hysterical stampede to be “green” the lefties have chosen to overlook those inconvenient truths.

If incandescent bulbs are banned, there will be a mad rush to stock up on them, defeating all this legislation for years to come.

I use compact fluorescent bulbs wherever I can, and have done so since they first came out. I resent any government telling me what kind of bulbs to buy - the same government that prevents me from having a toilet that flushes properly.


24 posted on 04/04/2007 3:18:40 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (leftist ideas always fail, but leftists always ask for more of the same laws that have failed)
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To: neverdem

Lovely, just lovely. I guess there’s no end to the BS we won’t put up with from our Overlords.


25 posted on 04/04/2007 3:35:54 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Drammach
"The real solution lies somewhere else.. Light Emitting Diodes.. (LEDs)"

The "quality" of light from "white" LED's is even worse than CFL's (much too "blue").

26 posted on 04/04/2007 3:43:15 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: x_plus_one
Not really.

Just replace one at a time.

Here’s a conservative estimate of what you will save over the life of each CFL light you replace.

The typical life of a CFL is at least 6,000 hours (typically 10,000 hours).

Let’s say your electricity costs $0.10 a kilowatt-hour. Here in California it is significantly higher than that.

A standard inexpensive 60 watt incandescent bulb lasts about 1,000 hours and costs about $0.80.

So to operate the standard 60 watt incandescent bulb for 6,000 hours the total cost is:

Quantity 6, 60 watt bulbs @ $0.80 each = $4.80
Electricity for 6,000 hours x 60 watts @ $0.10 kilowatt-hour = $36.00
Total cost for 6,000 hours operation of a 60 watt incandescent = $40.80

Quantity 1, 15 watt CFL @ $6.99 (rated 10,000 hours)
Electricity for 6,000 hours x 15 watts @ $0.10 kilowatt-hour = $9.00
Total cost for 6,000 hours operation of a 15 watt CFL = $15.99

So for each 60 watt incandescent bulb you replace with a $6.99 CFL you will save $24.81 over the life of the CFL.

The above estimate is very conservative. The life of the CFL is likely longer and the electricity likely costs more. And that was using a higher quality CFL at $6.99 each. A 15 watt CFL is also brighter than a 60 watt incandescent (unless you buy a halogen which is significantly more expensive)

Replace 100 watt incandescent with 23 watt CFL's and your savings are even higher.

For every one you replace you’ll save. It adds up...

If one can’t afford to spend $7 to save $25, then one will likely remain poor.

27 posted on 04/04/2007 3:43:16 AM PDT by DB
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To: ChicagoHebrew
"I almost never support any government intrusions into the marketplace. But I think the market's preference for incandescents might be one of the rare examples of genuine "market failure.""

Not true. The manufacturers of CFL's are not producing lamps in sufficiently small sizes and shapes to fit many (or even most)light fixtures. How do they expect to capture the full market?? People are NOT going to retrofit their houses with new light fixtures.

The government should stay the hell out of this, and let people buy the type of bulbs they want for the specific areas they want. I've got a mix of CFL's and incandescents, depending on the specific spot I need lighted.

28 posted on 04/04/2007 3:48:55 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Marie
I hate fluorescent light bulbs. I'll be damned if the government tries to tell me what light bulbs I should have in my house.

Typical liberal tripe... "We know what's best for you."

Race ya to the store! ; )

29 posted on 04/04/2007 3:49:15 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: neverdem
If this is what Congress deems important legislation, it is clear that they have oo much time on their hands and not enough real legislation.

Maybe Congress should meet for only ninety days per year.

30 posted on 04/04/2007 3:50:43 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: neverdem

Bush should veto it.


31 posted on 04/04/2007 4:03:45 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: neverdem
I seem to remember Fluorescent lights being accused of causing skin cancer, a decade or so ago. Does anyone remember that?
32 posted on 04/04/2007 4:03:58 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (EU sez:"Don't confuse terrorism with Islam." ;-)and never blame a skunk for it's stink,right?.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

They must be running out of gun-banning legislation if they have moved on to the lightbulb.


33 posted on 04/04/2007 4:04:15 AM PDT by GnL
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To: GnL
I keep waiting for them to ban matches.

Fire bad...

34 posted on 04/04/2007 4:06:52 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: neverdem
I think I'll start buying up incandescent lightbulbs and storing them. If they really do pass this ban, incandescent lightbulbs might become the high capacity toilets of the future. I remember reading a story several years ago that old, high capacity toilets were selling for a fortune after the government banned them.

So it might pay to stock up on those old 3 for $1 incandescent lightbulbs -- they might be selling for $5 or more each in a few years

35 posted on 04/04/2007 4:10:30 AM PDT by apillar
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To: DB
So if you’re poor, using CFL’s will make you a little less poor.

That's only if they work as advertised - same light, lasting x times longer. What if they are actually more like the Hybrid vehicles? Widely advertised as getting 75mpg, but it turns out that was under ideal test conditions - real world experience has shown they get closer to 40mpg in normal use, much closer to any compact and hardly worth the $20,000 premium to buy them. In real world conditions, they don't save enough to offset the costs - a stark contrast to the rosy predictions. I suspect CFL's will turn out the same under widespread real-life conditions.

36 posted on 04/04/2007 4:13:57 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: neverdem

I keep hearing LED bulbs are going to hit the market but I never see any. They’re supposedly much better than the fluorescent bulbs as far as natural lighting, length of service and energy consumption. However, they will cost an arm and a leg initially.

Banning incandescent bulbs is nanny state stupidity at its worst. Obviously the folks at the lower end of the economic spectrum will take the hardest hit. Kind of like the DDT ban and the ethanol scam and global warming insanity.


37 posted on 04/04/2007 4:14:21 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: neverdem

Rush pointed out in his show yesterday that not one florescent bulb is produced in the USA. They are all produced in China, where the Chinese will have to build more of their dirty coal power plants to produce these enviro-nut bulbs.
Why does government regulation always make every problem worse?


38 posted on 04/04/2007 4:18:43 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: neverdem

A little known fact: disposing of fluorescent lights in California is a pricey proposition. Each tube has to be encased in an expensive sleeve to prevent the bulb from breaking in the landfill. When a bulb is slated to be changed, by law the workers must clear the entire floor of the building, wear hazmat suits, and put each bulb in a special box that costs over a dollar each. I can’t remember what happens if a bulb happens to break. Putting the bulb in the trash can lead to a $25,000 per day fine. I saw the article a year ago but now I can’t find it... the Internet (or at least Google) is overwhelmingly populated by paeons to the wonder and beauty of mercury based bulbs.

Like the MTBE fiasco, this problem will be completely created by the government.


39 posted on 04/04/2007 4:19:23 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: neverdem
If CFLs are a superior product (and they're not), the market will sort it out.

How about banning "green nazis" instead of the incandescent light bulb?

40 posted on 04/04/2007 4:23:19 AM PDT by SIDENET (Now selling carbon offsets. Get some today!)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

...Americans are notoriously short-sighted when it comes to basic household finance. They will continue to buy incandescents because they are “cheaper” — even though they are much more expensive in the long run...

Its a moral rule. Where there is plenty, there is always waste. Doesnt make waste good though.


41 posted on 04/04/2007 4:26:09 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: neverdem; All

Interesting article and comments. Thanks to all.


42 posted on 04/04/2007 4:26:13 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Wonder Warthog

I agree. I use a mix too and am very happy with the results.


43 posted on 04/04/2007 4:26:52 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: neverdem

Pro-Incandescent.
I want to see a compact fluorescent light my oven and freezer.
I want to see a compact fluorescent work in an an outdoor porch light with a glass rain globe (the sucker will overheat the first night and be dead by morning.)
A small incandescent lightbulb in a basement closet keeps stored items from molding up.
There is a place for CFL and a place for incandescent.
I can’t wait to see what the greenies will do to replace the incandescent lightbulbs in a good flashlight.
Banning incandescent is stupid.


44 posted on 04/04/2007 4:27:30 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Fine...they dont fit all fixtures...so dont use them in all fixtures. When they do, buy them. If you want immediate bright light, buy incandescent. If you want natural light, buy daylight simulators.


45 posted on 04/04/2007 4:28:38 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Marie
I thought I was the most headache prone person ever but I guess that would be you. I have been using the curley bulbs in lots of places ever since they first came out and I never detected they gave me a headache. I use them because they last a long time and I hate changing bulbs.
46 posted on 04/04/2007 4:30:12 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Kay Ludlow
It depends what you use the CFL’s for.

If you use them in applications where they are on for long periods at a time (not hallways, closets or bathrooms) they do last as long as claimed. They’ve been around for a long time and have a proven track record.

If they get turned on briefly and often, they don’t last as long as advertised. Even if they last half as long you still come out way ahead.

Incandescents currently make more sense where you want to dim them, in chandeliers, refigerators and ovens, and similar applications. Here where I live in California, electricity costs about $0.12 a kw-h up to the "life line" allocation. You have to live like a hermit to use so little... At 300% over life line amounts it is $0.32 a kw-h. At that rate there's a very large cost benefit using CFL's.

Hybrid vehicles don’t cost an addition $20,000. Typically it is between $5,000 and $7,000 more. It is true that with the added cost you will likely barely break even over the life of the car in fuel savings (at least at $3 a gallon). On the other hand, vehicles like the Toyota Highlander Hybrid have substantially more get up and go than the standard V6 version. So for an upfront cost (but longterm break even cost) you get a more powerful vehicle that’s more fun to drive.

47 posted on 04/04/2007 4:37:46 AM PDT by DB
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To: neverdem
Rush was all over this yesterday. ALL CFL bulbs are built in china. NOT one American company produces them. There are 4 BILLION light bulb sockets in America. The chicoms would have to build one new COAL FIRED ELECTRICAL PLANT PER WEEK, to keep up with the demand. It will cost our economy 100's billions of dollars and minorities, women and children will be hurt the most! The Earth will suffer the greatest harm... typical of liberal intents causing more harm than good... because the religion of the goracle does not require truth!

LLS

48 posted on 04/04/2007 4:38:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: neverdem

I use CF where it makes sense and Incandescent where they make sense. Banning anything deprives you of the freedom to choose.


49 posted on 04/04/2007 4:39:17 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: MIT-Elephant

Rush said that CFL will put 50 million tons of mercury into the US environment... not a very clean solution. If you knock over a lamp, do you call a hazmat team?

Not one American company manufactures them. China will build dirty Coal Fired plants at a rate on one per week, to meet the demand of the 4 billion light sockets in America. This boondoggle will cause great harm and cost Billions of dollars!

LLS


50 posted on 04/04/2007 4:41:09 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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