Posted on 04/04/2007 12:36:46 AM PDT by neverdem
In a few weeks the US Congress is likely to vote to phase out the standard incandescent lightbulb within a decade. The frantic race to see who can best appease the global warming alarmists will claim another victim, the friendly glow of the direct descendant of Thomas Edison's filament-based light bulb.
Why would the humble lightbulb, a staple commodity that has raised the standard of living throughout the world, be in the bullseye? It was the incandescent electric light bulb that abolished the tyranny of the night. Our 19th and 20th century ancestors believed it one of the greatest gifts of civilization because they had directly experienced life before electric lighting changed everything. In 2002, former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld briefly reminded us of this blessing when he commented on the satellite imagery revealing the nighttime darkness in North Korea, but other than this brief moment, we seem to have forgotten what we owe to Edison's first invention.
I suppose I'd better stock up on a lifetime supply of the regular kind.
Fluorescent lamps do give inferior light, but incandescent bulbs are really power-inefficient. There’s just too many better technologies out there to be relying on the tungsten filament.
Now, I don’t think the gov’t should ban it - as the libs like to say, you can’t legislate morality, and forcing people to use a more green bulb isn’t going to make them environmentally conscious. It actually would probably make them less considerate of their own environmental choices, thinking the guvmint will take care of it.
Just effing brilliant.
They last a long, long time but the light output is horrible (kinda like a russian apartment with one 25 watt bulb) and they are too expensive.
I have replaced three or four in two years and I sure didn't call HAZMAT to come get them.
yitbos
The real solution lies somewhere else..
Light Emitting Diodes.. (LEDs)
LEDs have only recently started to become even close to economical..
They aren't there yet, but they are getting there..
Another problem has been "white light" LEDs..
Only recently have white LEDs been produced..
Since they are "new" even compared to standard LEDs, they are also,... more expensive..
But this too, will pass..
LEDs are cooler, like CFLs, and very energy efficient..
They will be the lighting for the 21st century..
I just skimmed the article...are they trying to ban Al Gore...the dim bulb?!
>>>> This ban will be a tax on poor people <<<<
Oh oh you know what that will lead to more of (the gov. already gives vouchers out to go
to Wal-Mart to get CFLs)
I have a mix over the house. Some places ok but other places the incandescent works better.
When you need full light now or were its cold or detailed work bench the list goes on.
Can you see the next crime? .....Felony light bulb possession, Black market bulbs,Lightkeepers (see Fahrenheit 451)
Right on Marie. I live in Shanghai and fluorescent lighting is used throughout China. In addition to give me a headache, these things are dim, causing the addition of extra lights to achieve some modicum of decent lighting. Also, it is very irritating when walking into a dark room, flip the light switch on, then have to wait a second or two for these flickering things to stabilize and provide enough light to enter the room. There will have to be significant improvements in fluorescent lights before Americans will buy into them I think.
The article is in error when they say it is a tax on poor people to use CFLs. The cost of the energy saved over the life of a typical CFL more than offsets the additional initial cost of the CFL. The overall savings is usually more than double the cost of the CFL. So if you’re poor, using CFL’s will make you a little less poor.
I switched to CFL’s because you never have change them. However, I think it is a stupid idea to make it illegal to buy a regular light bulb. And what about lights in dimmer circuits. CFL’s are either on or off.
Especially if you live in an area of thunderstorms, or other voltage surges. In my experience, the premature failures eliminated any savings.
CFLs are still the same ancient technology that is well over
70 years old. Only the solid state ballast has made them compact.
I think LED bulbs will be in the future.
I envision matrix structures of diodes, much like modern
integrated circuits. (thousands of LEDs in one bulb.)
Great info in the article.
Years ago when comment sense still existed this title would have made a good April fools day?
Actually I think the article is not telling you the exact truth at all.
To say this is a “tax on the poor” or ringing in extra money for the wrong people or even that it means more coal-firing plants are going to be built is breathtakingly innacurate. Consider:
CFLs do cost more, but due to the laws of supply and demand, the cost has been dropping and will drop very much more as they are more widely used. Also, they last about eight times longer (because they don’t generate as much heat) and they only use a fifth of the energy, hence lower electricity bills. They are actually less expensive now.
As for this ridiculous argument about building more plants to make them - how so? The demand for lamps isn’t going to change all that much. Surely if you are making more CFL’s you must be making fewer incandescent bulbs, so how come you are going to need extra power stations?
What this article actually does is call for a halt to progress. Incandescents are ok, but CFLs are better. However, I agree that it would be better to institute them by market forces, not legislation. I also agree that both incandescent and CFL are going to be overtaken by LED technology in the future.
2 dollars a bulb is more than I can afford today.
Fluorescent lights have a high output of UV rays. Don’t use fluorescent lights anywhere you have valuable artwork displayed unless the work is shielded with special (and costly) UV filtering glass. I’ve seen valuable signed & numbered prints rendered worthless because of fading resulting from being displayed in fluorescent lit offices.
And, despite the persistent urban legend regarding the Great Wall of China, the electric light is truly the ONLY man-made object visible from outer space
I'd like to think so, but Al would make up for it with increased volume and mass....
I almost never support any government intrusions into the marketplace. But I think the market's preference for incandescents might be one of the rare examples of genuine "market failure." First, Americans are notoriously short-sighted when it comes to basic household finance. They will continue to buy incandescents because they are "cheaper" -- even though they are much more expensive in the long run. Second, and more importantly, people who live in rental housing generally buy incandescents because they don't have any incentive to buy bulbs that last longer -- while the landlord has no incentive to put CFBs in because he doesn't pay to replace bulbs. So there's a clear collective action problem at work.
I've used CFBs for over a year. If anything, the CFBs are too bright -- they are hardly dim. I'm guessing most of the haters on this board just bought bulbs that were too weak.
I just got three 9 watters, 40 equivalent,
from wally world for 8 bucks.
I like em a lot. I recommend then for places,
‘not turned on an off a lot’.
if run for 12 hours a day,
saving 93 watts —> 1.116 kwh per day,
at 10 cents per kwh,
thats 40 bucks saved per year
The USA gets swept up by mass hysteria every so often. Too many people can’t think clearly and just follow the mad rush to wherever the crowd is going.
Compact fluorescent bulbs don’t fit in all fixtures!
They are not suitable for use in refrigerators and ovens. In their hysterical stampede to be “green” the lefties have chosen to overlook those inconvenient truths.
If incandescent bulbs are banned, there will be a mad rush to stock up on them, defeating all this legislation for years to come.
I use compact fluorescent bulbs wherever I can, and have done so since they first came out. I resent any government telling me what kind of bulbs to buy - the same government that prevents me from having a toilet that flushes properly.
Lovely, just lovely. I guess there’s no end to the BS we won’t put up with from our Overlords.
The "quality" of light from "white" LED's is even worse than CFL's (much too "blue").
Just replace one at a time.
Here’s a conservative estimate of what you will save over the life of each CFL light you replace.
The typical life of a CFL is at least 6,000 hours (typically 10,000 hours).
Let’s say your electricity costs $0.10 a kilowatt-hour. Here in California it is significantly higher than that.
A standard inexpensive 60 watt incandescent bulb lasts about 1,000 hours and costs about $0.80.
So to operate the standard 60 watt incandescent bulb for 6,000 hours the total cost is:
Quantity 6, 60 watt bulbs @ $0.80 each = $4.80
Electricity for 6,000 hours x 60 watts @ $0.10 kilowatt-hour = $36.00
Total cost for 6,000 hours operation of a 60 watt incandescent = $40.80
Quantity 1, 15 watt CFL @ $6.99 (rated 10,000 hours)
Electricity for 6,000 hours x 15 watts @ $0.10 kilowatt-hour = $9.00
Total cost for 6,000 hours operation of a 15 watt CFL = $15.99
So for each 60 watt incandescent bulb you replace with a $6.99 CFL you will save $24.81 over the life of the CFL.
The above estimate is very conservative. The life of the CFL is likely longer and the electricity likely costs more. And that was using a higher quality CFL at $6.99 each. A 15 watt CFL is also brighter than a 60 watt incandescent (unless you buy a halogen which is significantly more expensive)
Replace 100 watt incandescent with 23 watt CFL's and your savings are even higher.
For every one you replace you’ll save. It adds up...
If one can’t afford to spend $7 to save $25, then one will likely remain poor.
Not true. The manufacturers of CFL's are not producing lamps in sufficiently small sizes and shapes to fit many (or even most)light fixtures. How do they expect to capture the full market?? People are NOT going to retrofit their houses with new light fixtures.
The government should stay the hell out of this, and let people buy the type of bulbs they want for the specific areas they want. I've got a mix of CFL's and incandescents, depending on the specific spot I need lighted.
Typical liberal tripe... "We know what's best for you."
Race ya to the store! ; )
Maybe Congress should meet for only ninety days per year.
Bush should veto it.
They must be running out of gun-banning legislation if they have moved on to the lightbulb.
Fire bad...
So it might pay to stock up on those old 3 for $1 incandescent lightbulbs -- they might be selling for $5 or more each in a few years
That's only if they work as advertised - same light, lasting x times longer. What if they are actually more like the Hybrid vehicles? Widely advertised as getting 75mpg, but it turns out that was under ideal test conditions - real world experience has shown they get closer to 40mpg in normal use, much closer to any compact and hardly worth the $20,000 premium to buy them. In real world conditions, they don't save enough to offset the costs - a stark contrast to the rosy predictions. I suspect CFL's will turn out the same under widespread real-life conditions.
I keep hearing LED bulbs are going to hit the market but I never see any. They’re supposedly much better than the fluorescent bulbs as far as natural lighting, length of service and energy consumption. However, they will cost an arm and a leg initially.
Banning incandescent bulbs is nanny state stupidity at its worst. Obviously the folks at the lower end of the economic spectrum will take the hardest hit. Kind of like the DDT ban and the ethanol scam and global warming insanity.
Rush pointed out in his show yesterday that not one florescent bulb is produced in the USA. They are all produced in China, where the Chinese will have to build more of their dirty coal power plants to produce these enviro-nut bulbs.
Why does government regulation always make every problem worse?
A little known fact: disposing of fluorescent lights in California is a pricey proposition. Each tube has to be encased in an expensive sleeve to prevent the bulb from breaking in the landfill. When a bulb is slated to be changed, by law the workers must clear the entire floor of the building, wear hazmat suits, and put each bulb in a special box that costs over a dollar each. I can’t remember what happens if a bulb happens to break. Putting the bulb in the trash can lead to a $25,000 per day fine. I saw the article a year ago but now I can’t find it... the Internet (or at least Google) is overwhelmingly populated by paeons to the wonder and beauty of mercury based bulbs.
Like the MTBE fiasco, this problem will be completely created by the government.
How about banning "green nazis" instead of the incandescent light bulb?
...Americans are notoriously short-sighted when it comes to basic household finance. They will continue to buy incandescents because they are “cheaper” — even though they are much more expensive in the long run...
Its a moral rule. Where there is plenty, there is always waste. Doesnt make waste good though.
Interesting article and comments. Thanks to all.
I agree. I use a mix too and am very happy with the results.
Pro-Incandescent.
I want to see a compact fluorescent light my oven and freezer.
I want to see a compact fluorescent work in an an outdoor porch light with a glass rain globe (the sucker will overheat the first night and be dead by morning.)
A small incandescent lightbulb in a basement closet keeps stored items from molding up.
There is a place for CFL and a place for incandescent.
I can’t wait to see what the greenies will do to replace the incandescent lightbulbs in a good flashlight.
Banning incandescent is stupid.
Fine...they dont fit all fixtures...so dont use them in all fixtures. When they do, buy them. If you want immediate bright light, buy incandescent. If you want natural light, buy daylight simulators.
If you use them in applications where they are on for long periods at a time (not hallways, closets or bathrooms) they do last as long as claimed. They’ve been around for a long time and have a proven track record.
If they get turned on briefly and often, they don’t last as long as advertised. Even if they last half as long you still come out way ahead.
Incandescents currently make more sense where you want to dim them, in chandeliers, refigerators and ovens, and similar applications. Here where I live in California, electricity costs about $0.12 a kw-h up to the "life line" allocation. You have to live like a hermit to use so little... At 300% over life line amounts it is $0.32 a kw-h. At that rate there's a very large cost benefit using CFL's.
Hybrid vehicles don’t cost an addition $20,000. Typically it is between $5,000 and $7,000 more. It is true that with the added cost you will likely barely break even over the life of the car in fuel savings (at least at $3 a gallon). On the other hand, vehicles like the Toyota Highlander Hybrid have substantially more get up and go than the standard V6 version. So for an upfront cost (but longterm break even cost) you get a more powerful vehicle that’s more fun to drive.
LLS
I use CF where it makes sense and Incandescent where they make sense. Banning anything deprives you of the freedom to choose.
Rush said that CFL will put 50 million tons of mercury into the US environment... not a very clean solution. If you knock over a lamp, do you call a hazmat team?
Not one American company manufactures them. China will build dirty Coal Fired plants at a rate on one per week, to meet the demand of the 4 billion light sockets in America. This boondoggle will cause great harm and cost Billions of dollars!
LLS
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