Giuliani Backs Taxpayer Funded Abortion (Says it today!)

CNN ^ | 4 Apr 07

[Barney Gumble]

TALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) -- Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told CNN Wednesday he supports public funding for some abortions, a position he advocated as mayor and one that will likely put the GOP presidential candidate at odds with social conservatives in his party.

"Ultimately, it's a constitutional right, and therefore if it's a constitutional right, ultimately, even if you do it on a state by state basis, you have to make sure people are protected," Giuliani said in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash in Florida's capital city.

A video clip of the then-mayoral candidate issuing a similar declaration in 1989 in a speech to the "Women's Coalition" appeared recently on the Internet. "There must be public funding for abortions for poor women," Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. "We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion."

When asked directly Wednesday if he still supported the use of public funding for abortions, Giuliani said "Yes." "If it would deprive someone of a constitutional right," he explained....

[carton253]

First of all, Rudy supporters do not have to excuse anything.

They support the man knowing full his positions. Rudy does not hide them.

You disagree with Rudy and support Duncan Hunter. Bully for you!

But, this constant thread hopping demanding Rudy supporters perform for you gets tiring. For really, is there anything anyone can say in defense of Rudy that will change your mind. No! So why do you keep demanding it.

Let's see what happens in the primaries. That is why we have them.

[flashbunny]

"You are saying that he fully agrees with NARAL. Can you support that claim?"

Yes, I can.

http://home2.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/2001b/champlunch.html

Archives of Rudolph W. Giuliani, 107th Mayor

Opening Remarks to the N.A.R.A.L. "Champions of Choice" Lunch

The Yale Club, Thursday, April 5th, 2001

As Delivered

Thank you very much for inviting me to say a few words of welcome. This event shows that people of different political parties and different political thinking can unite in support of choice. In doing so, we are upholding a distinguished tradition that began in our city starting with the work of Margaret Sanger and the movement for reproductive freedom that began in the early decades of the 20th century.

As a Republican who supports a woman's right to choose, it is particularly an honor to be here. And I would like to explain, just for one moment, why I believe being in favor of choice is consistent with the philosophy of the Republican Party. In fact, it might be more consistent with the philosophy of the Republican Party. Because the Republican Party stands for the idea that you have to restore more freedom of choice, more opportunity, more opportunity for people to make their own choices rather than the government dictating those choices. Republicans stand for lower taxation because we believe that people can make better choices with their money than the government will make for them, and that ultimately frees the economy and produces more political freedom. We believe that, yes, government is important, but that the private sector is actually more important in solving our problems.

So it is consistent with that philosophy to believe that in the most personal and difficult choices that a woman has to make with regard to a pregnancy, those choices should be made based on that person's conscience and that person's way of thinking and feeling. The government shouldn't dictate that choice by making it a crime or making it illegal.

I think that's actually a much more consistent position. Many Republicans support that position, but you don't hear that as often. For example, in a recent poll by American Viewpoint, 65 percent of Republicans supported changing the plank in the Republican platform that calls for a constitutional ban on abortion. That's 6.5 out of every 10 Republicans. And over 80 percent of Republicans believe that the decision with regard to an abortion should be made by a woman, her doctor, and her family rather than dictated by the government.

[Applause]

In any case, I just wanted you to know that many of my fellow Republicans stand with you on this issue. So I thank you, I thank NARAL for taking the lead in establishing freedom of choice for all of us, and as the Mayor of New York City, I thank you for being here in New York City.

Again, your boy rudy is as pro-abortion as it comes, he just wants to have it both ways and say that he's personally against abortion - but he won't do anything to restore the integrity of the constitution that was damaged by roe v wade (which he believes is good constitutional law)

[flashbunny]

“Rudy does not hide them.”

So that’s why he states he “understands the 2nd amendment” now even though he’s been a gun grabber his entire career.

Or how he tries to spin his gun control stance as being only for New York City, even though he has called for gun control on every level.

Yep, that’s rudy being open and honest. And that must be why rudyphiles squeel so loudly when his record is brought to light. They’re so proud of it that the complain every time his anti-gun or pro-abortion quotes are used against him.

[Eagle Eye]

Or will you be like the other rudy boosters and just ignore it, or say “it isn’t the topic at hand!!!”

Nice touch of propoganda! "Rudy booster"...and what I thought I was doing was looking at some truth on the abortion issue as opposed to the propoganda on it.

And yes, I'll say that you've brought up a different topic that isn't relevant. Deal with immigration and welfare on threads of those issues. And I genuinely don't know enough about his positions there to discuss it.

So he hides behind the law that makes/keeps it legal to allow a woman the right to choose...

Since I'm used to the propoganda used by some so called prolifers on FR, I'm also used to seeing that what they call pro abortion may in reality be just a less rigid position then they have. So any time I see the word "pro abortion", I automatically know the truth is being bent.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

First of all, Rudy supporters do not have to excuse anything. They support the man knowing full his positions. Rudy does not hide them.

Tell them to stop trying to pass him as a conservative then. If they support him, that's their business. Don't try and sell him off as a conservative though.

But, this constant thread hopping demanding Rudy supporters perform for you gets tiring. For really, is there anything anyone can say in defense of Rudy that will change your mind. No! So why do you keep demanding it.

If they keep trying to pass of Rudy as something he's not, I will call them out on it. With Rudy's own words, if need be.

Let's see what happens in the primaries. That is why we have them.

Agreed. The one poll that actually counts.

[DreamsofPolycarp]

It will certainly give a lot of folks pause

Yeah. And it is kind of warm in hell, chilly in Antarctica, damp at 10,000 leagues under the sea, and Rosie O'donnell gets a little irritated sometimes.

Guiliani has just killed any chance he had of becoming president. Mark it down. There are many many many folks who would actively support a third party and see the GOP obliterated than support this. In fact, a BIG sector of the party's core is right there.

[restornu]

Although Giuliani said he is does not like abortion, he said he would not change the standing law.

Specifically, he said would not change the Hyde amendment, which restricts federal funding for abortion to cases of rape, incest and to save the life of the mother.

[Eagle Eye]

Why is it that you aren’t posting his quotes where he states that he is opposed to abortion?

Oh, that’s right, only Fox news claims to be fair and balanced!

[flashbunny]

“Interfering with civil rights is illegal.”

Then rudy must have broken all sorts of laws trying to interfere with the RKBA.

Remember his suit against the gun industry? A nuisance suit that was cited by congress as one of the ‘junk lawsuits’ which required the protection of lawful commerce act. He tried to interfere with the RKBA by putting gun makers and dealers out of business with junk lawsuits.

But hell, he was just following the law. Or something.

[Eagle Eye]

As President, could he change the law?

As Mayor, could he change the law?

[Eagle Eye]

Abortion thread...stay focused...on topic.

[Ol' Sparky]

Rudy says he opposes abortion.

So does Hillary Clinton and every other politican.

But, if you don't realize that he is rabidly in favor of abortion rights, you have your head stuck in your ass.

Giuliani just supported public financing of abortion, spoken before NARAL, has received more money from the NY chapter of NARAL than Hillary Clinton in 1999, opposed a ban on partial-birth abortion and opposed parental consent laws. Here is Rudy in his own words on abortion on 4/01 in speech to NARAL:

This event shows that people of different political parties and different political thinking can unite in support of choice. In doing so, we are upholding a distinguished tradition that began in our city starting with the work of Margaret Sanger and the movement for reproductive freedom that began in the early decades of the 20th century.

Because the Republican Party stands for the idea that you have to restore more freedom of choice, more opportunity, more opportunity for people to make their own choices rather than the government dictating those choices.

He's rabidly in favor of abortion. Get it?

[carton253]

FlashBunny... your hyperbole gets old quick.

No Rudy supporter I read is squealing. That is just projection on your part so you appear all smug and superior.

Now you can spin the spin until everyone is dizzy but guess what.... you aren't changing any minds with your morality play. All you are doing is looking pretty foolish.

[WillT]

Yawn. No other Republican president has restored the integrity of the constitution since Roe V. Wade. If you claim Rudy has responsiblity for it as president, then I guess our former Republican presidents are responsible for keeping Roe V. Wade as law, too.

[flashbunny]

“Why is it that you aren’t posting his quotes where he states that he is opposed to abortion?”

I’m an astronaut.

I’m a brain surgeon.

I’m professional stuntman.

You see, me making those claims doesn’t make me one of those things. Actually flaying in space, performing brain surgery, or doing stunts makes me one of them.

Rudy tries to do the democrat trick of having it both ways: Saying he doesn’t like abortions to appear one way, but when the rubber hits the road, he lines up with NARAL when it matters.

That’s called “having your cake and eating it to”. It’s what liberals do. Which means it shouldn’t be a surprise that rudy tries to do the same thing.

[WillT]

A third party? LOL !! You might as well say hello to President Obama or Clinton. When conservatives bolt to a third party, it’s handing the presidency to the Dems. Mark that down. And good luck with a Democratic President AND Congress.

[flashbunny]

"Yawn. No other Republican president has restored the integrity of the constitution since Roe V. Wade."

That's right - the judges they appoint have to do that. You keep ignoring that fact.

I have to thank Jim Robinson for finding and posting the quote at the top of this pic. It illustrates why rudy is such a bad choice to be the one picking supreme court justices.

[wagglebee]

And he is supposed to support the law, not just the ones he likes.

Just think, if Abraham Lincoln had thought that way, we would still have slavery.

Supporting the law per one’s oath of office, what a concept!

The president's oath is to "aithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Nowhere in the Constitution does it suggest that a president is not free to interpret the Constitution. Nor does the Constitution say that women have the right to kill their babies. The fact that a group of men decided that something is constitutional, does not mean that it is. Otherwise, such "gems" as the Dred Scott Decision and Plessy v. Ferguson would still be the law of the land.

A president is fully within his rights to voice his opinion on the legitimacy of a Supreme Court ruling. There is no "law" that says the president must "support" abortion rights, he simply cannot interfere with them (and the legitimacy of that is questionable at best because under our present system, the three branches of government are not "coequal" as the Founding Fathers intended).

[flashbunny]

“you aren’t changing any minds with your morality play. All you are doing is looking pretty foolish.”

On the contrary. I’ve posted my rudy stuff on just one gun board so far and have heard from many people who were favoring rudy that they’ll never vote for him now.

That’s what counts. Not what the liberal republicans here try to spin.

“No Rudy supporter I read is squealing”

Then you haven’t been paying attention. They used to do a lot more squealing, but lately they’ve just been avoiding threads that reveal the truth about rudy’s record.

Great strategery - it’s the ostrich campaign technique.

[carton253]

Oh for crying out loud. What are you the hall monitor.

Tell them to stop... What a whiney response. Does the conservative movement need your protection? Or can conservatives make their own decisions on who to vote for.

Call them out... That macho talk would be funny if it weren't so sad. Call them out...and do what? You can't even get them to stop.

What I don't understand is why get so worked up talking to the same 20 people over and over again. Don't you get tired of having the same argument. You are persistent, I will give you that.

I think you would work harder trying to get Hunter's name known to voters than trying to convince people of what they already know. Both Rudy and non-Rudy supporters.