Posted on 04/05/2007 5:42:47 PM PDT by Utah Girl
Mitt Romney is riding high this week after his victory in "the first primary," which consists of raising cold, hard cash to compete: more than $20 million in the first quarter, $5 million more than his closest contender, Rudy "Lay off my wife!" Giuliani. John McCain came in a lackluster third with $12.5 million.
Romney's campaign benefited from two distinct donor networks, according to media accounts: Wall Street and Mormons. GOP front-runner Rudy, struggling with one of those weird media freak shows erupting around his wife, Judith (her alleged participation in future Cabinet meetings and former puppy killings), must be a little envious on both counts.
Why is it that all the Dem candidates are still married to their first spouse, while among the current crop of leading GOP contenders, the only guy with just one wife is the Mormon?
Truth is, I don't think this is just an accident. There's something about Mormons the rest of us ought to pay attention to: Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do much better than almost any other faith group at sustaining a marriage culture -- and they do this while participating fully and successfully in modern life. Utah is above the national average in both household income and the proportion of adults who are college graduates.
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Here is a fair peice on it from an LDS perspective.
http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2003_Shining_New_Light_on_the_Mountain_Meadows_Massacre.html
I was LDS. Sixth generation on every side. I am also a descendant of John D. Lee.
There is a side other than that at FAIR. By reading journals and extant writings of participaants in the Massacre, I began seeing LDS history for what it is.
May you have an enlightening journey!
It’s stupid and irrelevant because this thread isn’t ABOUT a Muslim. Ask a question that makes sense and I’ll answer it. Otherwise, leave me alone.
cookcounty,
thanks for your addition to the discussion.
I know they also have the bizarre belief that the souls of unborn humans are lined up in heaven, waiting to be born - which is why they insist on large families - to rescue them and give them bodies.
The more you learn about their beliefs, the more you realize mormonism is not a Christian belief, but a polytheistic religion of many gods and non-Biblical ideas, stitched together. Quite different than what you see portrayed in their ads.
I’ve nothing against individual mormons. I several friends who were raised that way and just accept it all. It is mormonism itself that is the weird thing.
They teach about that in Church History. It is not a secret, the guy responsible was arrested by a Mormon Sheriff, tried by a Mormon prosecutor before a Mormon Judge and Mormon Jury. He was convicted and went to jail.
A lot more is made of this than it deserves. There were other murders that happened in that time frame, but you never hear about them.
People try to blame Brigham Young for this event, but he had sent word to let these people pass through. The message arrived after the event.
Bizarre? To you perhaps. You may not agree with them, but they are certainly biblical in their foundation. I see no one calling your biblical beliefs bizarre!
Num. 16: 22 (Num. 27: 16) God of the spirits of all flesh.
Job 38: 7 all the sons of God shouted for joy.
Eccl. 12: 7 the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Jer. 1: 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee.
Zech. 12: 1 Lord . . . formeth the spirit of man within him.
John 9: 2 who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind.
Acts 17: 28 poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Rom. 8: 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.
Eph. 1: 4 chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
Heb. 12: 9 subjection unto the Father of spirits.
Jude 1: 6 angels which kept not their first estate.
Rev. 12: 7 Michael and his angels fought against the dragon.
D&C 70:
77 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;
78 That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.
79 Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.
80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.
Bizarre when viewed in the context of the Bible. You have inserted a belief that came after into verses that do not teach this bizarre belief.
Num. 16: 22 (Num. 27: 16) God of the spirits of all flesh.
No souls standing in line, waiting to be born. God is simply identified and the God of the spirits of all flesh (preborn people do not have flesh - in fact, they do not exist!)
Job 38: 7 all the sons of God shouted for joy.
Nothing here about souls queuing up for birth friend.
Eccl. 12: 7 the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Nothing here that says spirits were existing before they were created at birth.
Jer. 1: 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee.
God’s omniscience does not teach or imply that there are spirits waiting for a body. God knows the future too, but it doesn’t exist yet.
Zech. 12: 1 Lord . . . formeth the spirit of man within him.
Yes, God is the creator of man, but this doesn’t teach the spirits are sitting around heaven hoping for a body.
John 9: 2 who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind.
Are you also going to advocate that these “spirits in heaven” are up there sinning too?!
Acts 17: 28 poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Paul’s use of contemporary poetry does not teach spirits are preexisting.
Rom. 8: 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.
Again, foreknowledge does not equal preexistence
Eph. 1: 4 chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
A wonderful passage, but doesn’t teach preexistence. It teaches that God chose believers before the foundation of the earth - sovereignly.
Heb. 12: 9 subjection unto the Father of spirits.
Did you just Google every passage that uses the word spirit?
Jude 1: 6 angels which kept not their first estate.
People are not angels.
Rev. 12: 7 Michael and his angels fought against the dragon.
Angels are not people
Bizarre in that this mormon teaching is not Biblical.
More to the point, and precisely relevant to this thread, would be to say the guy was arrested by a duly elected Sheriff who was a Mormon also, prosecuted by a man who happened to also be a Mormon, before a Constitutionally authorized Judge who was also a Mormon, and convicted by a Constitutionally paneled Jury who were also Mormons, and he was sent to jail by a jury of his peers as is specified in the Constitution of the United States, a Constitution upheld by people who also happened to be Mormons. [If Mitt Romney is elected to be President, he will also be Mormon but he will serve by and for the Constitutional authority, not because he is also a Mormon. Frankly, I can live with that nicely, thank you.] (^ :
Maybe I wasn’t specific enough. STOP POSTING TO ME.
We believe in upholding the Law, so naturally actions are according to Law and the Constitution.
Kinda funny that the one single mormon man that was convicted by all those mormon peers. He was the only one tried for the crime.
Obviously he didn’t do it alone. Now it may cause you to ask was John D. Lee a scape-goat. Did the Mormons offer him up as a sacrifice to save their own skins?
http://www.amazon.com/John-Doyle-Lee-Pioneer-Scapegoat/dp/087421162X
Don’t forget to see September Dawn starring Jon Voight(coming to a theater near you) during the first week of May.
I certainly wouldn’t want THAT kind of Mormon as POTUS.
I am sure that movie, like all other Hollywood productions, are going to be fair. NOT!
Rest easy, m'Lady, there is no evidence that Mitt Romney is 'that kind' of Mormon.
These Mitt threads tend to get out of hand very quickly. May I offer that it is fair to say many Episcopalians (I'm one of that variety, so I can use that) are Christians, and many Baptist are Christians, and many Mormons are Christians, but how many and specifically which ones is entirely in God's purview. We ALL face an adversary who was so powerful and devious that he took a third of the Angels of Heaven with him when he rebelled against God! Ought we not try to strive together against such a powerful and devious foe?
I’m sure the history of the Momonism written by Mormons is fair. NOT!
Indeed Dan(whateverthenumbersare) did quite a hit-and-run job on JD Lee himself didn’t he? Hardly presented the actual facts of the actual crime, trial or conviction. In fact he left the whole part out about during Lee’s first trial with a Mormon judge, jury and witnesses, it ended with a hung jury.
How about the fact that over 120 men, women and children were massacred. I suppose JD Lee ran around with his gun shooting everyone point blank in the head. Good heck, he must have had the first assault rifle in history!
Spin.....
Not even the scripture I quoted said preborn people have flesh, you are really stretching to make an irrelevant point. More importantly, you said "They don't exist"
What is a soul or spirit if it didn't exist before this life? Perhaps before you wrest the scriptures to your own destruction, I would suggest you look up these references in their entire context. I will give you just one, you can do the rest, it's easy.
Jeremiah 1: 4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Please explain this to me if you don't believe we existed in spirit form before this life?
God is exactly what the scriptures say He is, specifically, our Father in Heaven.
MHGinTN, for all the times we have not agreed, I say WELL SAID!!!
If it’s anything like your Anti Mormon DVD, I have no doubt how it will play in regarding the truth.
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