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Rudy's Abortion Deal-Breaker
The American Spectator ^ | 13 April 2007 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 04/13/2007 6:40:54 AM PDT by Spiff

Rudy's Abortion Deal-Breaker

By Doug Bandow

Perhaps it is inevitable that a man who became a national icon also ended up politically tone deaf. He began to believe his press clipplings, sycophants surrounded him, drowning out any criticism, and the rush of White House staff wannabees left him convinced that the bandwagon could not run off-course. Rudy Giuliani obviously doesn't get it, but his support for taxpayer-paid abortions could --and certainly should--prove to be the deal- breaker for pro-life conservatives.

Until now, at least, Giuliani had posed the most serious political challenge yet for social conservatives. He possessed the aura of competence and seemed to say the "right" things when it came to most economic, regulatory, and foreign policy issues. Which meant that many on the right felt he could be trusted, at least as far as any politician could be trusted, to deliver on the most important issues. (I'm less sanguine, but that's another matter.)

Of course, the unsavory private life -- the tacky public announcement of his planned divorce, unseemly court fight over bringing his mistress into the city-provided mayoral residence, and estrangement from his kids -- left a nasty taste. Good policy should still be trump, but then there was Giuliani's support for abortion. It's a difficult and complex issue, but supporting abortion is different from, say, backing higher dairy subsidies.

[...SNIP...]

Public funding for abortion creates an official imprimatur of respectability and makes us all complicit in a great moral wrong. If Mayor Giuliani can't understand such a fundamental issue, or worse, understands it but doesn't care, he's likely to disappoint conservative voters in other important areas as well.

There are some deal-breakers in politics. Public financing of abortion should be one for social conservatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortiani; abortion; giuliani; prolife; righttolife; rino; rudyonabortion; rudytherino; stoprudy2008
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To: 100-Fold_Return

Mrs. Clinton will be grateful that the candidate running is in many ways similar to her. He even has the personal dirt. Anyone who is a solid conservative will not be voting for a liberal regardless. It will only strive to kill swing the Republican Party far to the left. I’ll vote third party if Rudy gets the nod. I will because I’m not going to compromise everything I stand for to win. Then I haven’t really won. At least if Hildabeast wins, the Republicans can stay and become more conservative. If Rudy wins, we will have two liberal parties, one with stubborn Rudy dishing out taxpayer dough to fund the killing of children.


61 posted on 04/13/2007 8:01:19 AM PDT by Pinkbell (Whack-A-Lib = Improved version of Whack-A-Mole)
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To: Spiff
..to use the language of the abortion industry--Rudy is not a "viable" candidate IMO...

Check Blog Article on Viability of Another Candidate


62 posted on 04/13/2007 8:01:49 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Condor51; All
BRAVO Condor, well said!

This whole 'only RUDY can save us from HILLARY' meme is an absolute CROCK - it is based on facts not in evidence, which are:

a.) we don't KNOW if Rudy can beat Hillary because he wimped out of the only race in which they were facing each other in 2000. Robert Bartley at the Wall Street Journal and William Safire at the NYT had both cautioned Rudy that his personal issues posed a real risk to his Senatorial hopes and fortunately for Rudy, his prostate rose to the occasion and bailed him out.

b.) polls mean absolutely NOTHING this far in advance of the primary season, let alone the nominating conventions for any political party.

c.) just as there is a widespread resistance within conservative ranks to the liberal-RINO that Rudy happens to be, there is more than token resistance in the 'Rat Party to Mrs Bill Clinton and her nomination is by no means certain.

Rudy has taken the arrogant path of essentially telling conservatives that if they're not comfortable with him and his positions, be it abortion, guns, or anything else, to "don't vote for him", that represents an astounding level of conceit in that he thinks he can appeal to liberals and RINOS like himself, p*ss all over the conservative base of the GOP (the same base that made it possible for our current President to be elected), and STILL win the White House.

Rudy me lad? You can't say we 'hardly knew ye', in fact the more we learn about ye, the less we want ye!

Begone you! And take your groupies and cult members with ya,
this is a CONSERVATIVE website!
63 posted on 04/13/2007 8:16:10 AM PDT by mkjessup ('President Rudy!!! = an aborted fetus in every pot, and no guns in any garage!!!')
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To: massadvj

I believe you are right. And I would go further. I believe there is hypocrisy in the other positions also.

Think those same movers and shakers want the “mob” to have uninfringed gun rights?

Or that they hold the same contempt for gays?

It used to be that all candidates ran with some rote slogans thrown to Jews about supporting Israel. Last example was Bush’s promise to move the American Embassy to Jerusalem. Did he believe it when he got the Jewish cheers? I imagine just as much as he believed that there would be the enactment of a marriage Amendment because he “supports” one- with a wink to Mary Cheney’s dad.

It used to be that they threw true believers to the lions. Now they throw tainted meat to the true believers. And the believers are just as hungry as were those lions.

It’s all pathetic pandering to those who want to believe.

Sometimes a true believer is a candidate. On the Left a Kucinich, on the Right a Hunter. The have the identical chance of being elected. And if by some miracle, everyone else- candidates and voters alike after a meteor hits Earth- dying maybe, they get elected, they too will “moderate” to the norm.

But when an accomplished successful honest man, or as honest as a politician can be, comes along and tells you what is without treating the electorate like children to be told fairy tales, some are vitriolic that he burst their fantasy.

And who can blame them. Fantasy beats reality every time.


64 posted on 04/13/2007 8:34:46 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: massadvj

“Ironically, he doesn’t seem to be paying much of a political price, as he continues to be the hands-down frontrunner.”

Only in your fantasy world. Giuliani early worthless poll numbers have been dropping. It must suck to peak a year out from the first primary, and to be losing support based on just the thought (not the actual running) of Fred Thompson.


65 posted on 04/13/2007 8:46:35 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are nappy-headed race warlords.)
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To: Sabramerican
It used to be that they threw true believers to the lions. Now they throw tainted meat to the true believers.

Very perceptive post.

As many times as the religious right has been snookered by phony proclamations by some politician claiming to have been born again, you'd think they would learn. Maybe they have, given Romney's troubles.

Unfortunately for them, politics without compromise is not possible in a representative republic. And let's face it, they throw their own overboard too readily, which causes many professional politicians to question whether they want to get in bed with them.

I keep reading from religious right posters claims to the effect that the reason we lost in 2006 was that our politicians sold out. Rick Santorum? Jim Talent? George Allen? Sellouts? Could you imagine any constituency having better friends in the senate than the religious right had with these three? And now they are sell-outs.

If I were running and needed their help, I'd tread very cautiously, which is one reason Fred Thompson is still on the fence.

66 posted on 04/13/2007 8:46:55 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: mkjessup
This whole 'only RUDY can save us from HILLARY' meme is an absolute CROCK

I'll do you one better: Rudy's nomination is Hillary's only chance at winning.

How? Easy:

- Rudy gets the GOP nomination
- Hunter/Thompson/Paul/SomeOtherRealConservative runs as an independent.
- Rudy get 35% of the vote (GOP social moderates and DEM males who can't bring themselves to vote for Hillary)
- The Conservative independent gets 25% of the vote (social conservatives)
- Hillary slides into office with 40% of the vote.

A devisive, socially moderate GOP nominee is Hillary's only shot.
67 posted on 04/13/2007 8:55:06 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (RUDY GUILIANI 2008 - STRENGTH (on Abortion and Gun Control) & LEADERSHIP (of gay Pride Parades))
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To: veronica

So that makes you a single issue voter.


68 posted on 04/13/2007 9:08:44 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Sabramerican

Yeah, I want a MAYOR whose crowning foreign policy experience, besides coddling illegal aliens, is kicking yassar arafat ouf a new york philharmonic concert.

Terrorists will learn to fear the man in the pink dress!


69 posted on 04/13/2007 9:11:21 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: freespirited

There is a good political reason that the democrats have never dared to go as far as Rudy has with his radical pro-abortion position.


70 posted on 04/13/2007 9:28:40 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Hydroshock

“And fro the record that tired old scare tactic of vote rino or a rat wins is not working on many of us anymore.”

It is not a scare tactic. It is reality. I have no problem with you striving to see that Rudy does not get the nomination. I do have a problem if you sabotage him after (if) he gets it. Hillary as POTUS is a nightmare scenario.


71 posted on 04/13/2007 9:32:42 AM PDT by neocon1984 (end the idiocy of post-modernism)
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To: Jake The Goose
The anger is something they have to deal with - don’t let it get into your world.

I'll bet you really enjoyed Psyc 101. Too bad all the ickiness of it rubbed off on you.

72 posted on 04/13/2007 9:36:01 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: DManA

Put aside abortion for a minute.
***Reminds me of this quote in an earlier article.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1815366/posts

Rudy to pro-lifer: drop dead

Put the abortion issue aside for a moment, and think about what Giuliani has just revealed about how he thinks of the Constitution: If you believe in the First Amendment, does the government have to buy poor people printing presses? If you believe in the Second Amendment, must the taxpayers buy guns for poor folks? What kind of “strict constructionist” would say the government must pay for something if it is a constitutional right? For that matter, what kind of fiscal conservative would ever make such a claim?


73 posted on 04/13/2007 9:43:33 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Kevmo

Name the problem, Rudy has a Federal Taxpayer financed solution.


74 posted on 04/13/2007 9:45:28 AM PDT by DManA
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To: neocon1984
A New York ultra liberal would indeed be a nightmare.

Hillary as POTUS is a nightmare scenario.

That's why I don't support Rudy.

75 posted on 04/13/2007 9:50:37 AM PDT by DManA
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To: neocon1984

The reality is that many of us do not see much of a real difference between Rino Rudy and Hiltary. It is time to dump the liberal and fines someone who can unite the party.


76 posted on 04/13/2007 10:46:09 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Manic_Episode
“....The FReepers who support this liberal at a conservative forum should be ashamed of themselves, but since they are too dumb to be ashamed they need to be humiliated, slapped around and purged instead.....”

Some of us appreciate a candidate who is honest enough not to lie or flip flop on issues. And we are not dumb enough to believe a politician who will say anything to get elected. Many of our candidates have had the same social positions Rudy has, but they have “HAD AN IPIFANY” and have changed their life long views. No thanks! I’d rather have a President I can trust not to lie to me, even if I don’t buy into all his beliefs.

77 posted on 04/13/2007 11:49:20 AM PDT by KATIE-O ( Rudy Giuliani '08 - Restoring Optimism For The Republican Party.)
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To: Hydroshock
“.....I too will never vote for Rino Rudy. I will go third party first.....”

Oh, a third party sounds like a winner! Wonder who's heading up the Libertarian Party since Lyndon LaRouche was sent to prison. /sar.

78 posted on 04/13/2007 11:54:08 AM PDT by KATIE-O ( Rudy Giuliani '08 - Restoring Optimism For The Republican Party.)
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To: KATIE-O

Beats voting for a liberal like Rino Rudy.


79 posted on 04/13/2007 12:26:52 PM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: neocon1984
Hillary as POTUS is a nightmare scenario.

I agree. That's why it would be a grave miscalculation to nominate a candidate that significant numbers of GOP voters can't support. Whatever you think of the folks who won't support Giuliani in the general, it's still a fact that he's probably unelectable because he can't turn out all segments of the GOP.

80 posted on 04/13/2007 1:16:56 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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