Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)

http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

[LexHoskin]

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

[Trust but Verify]

Good clarification! Thanks!

[HockeyPop]

You may want to read this:

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn’t get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill’s defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.” http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

[Lazamataz]

Incidentally, in order to properly maintain their sovereignty, should the People through militias be able to have tanks and aircraft? Surface to Air Missiles? Grenades? Because in order to properly challenge governmental authority they would need it.

My liberal friend, please visit THIS LINK for a refutation of your strawman argument.

[oceanview]

the cell phone cams from the kids inside these classrooms (alive or dead) - one of them will have video/photo of the shooter as he entered their room. they have to collect all of that now.

[halfright]

this is how rumors start....Dooceys son attends Villanova ....wid my son I might add....GO NOVA!

[jveritas]

Agree 100%. Virginia Tech administration and police carry a lot of blood on their hands. I cannot believe how stupid and careless they are. They should go to jail.

[silentknight]

Jamal kid is on CNN at this time being interviewed...

[Cvengr]

I guess the present profile allows us to remain relaxed around Antarcticans, but many other earthlings might simply fit the profile. Asia is one helluva big place and Asians aren’t limited to living there. Go figure.

[Quix]

Liberals are expected to be very cautious and super respectful of our values and priorities around here.

Supporting The Constitution is one of those values and high priorities.

Clueless liberal contentions are . . . not remotely favored.

[Cyclopean Squid]

Loose constructionism, beginning around the time of FDR, is also responsible for the stengthening of America into a superpower. Nothing lasts—civilizations rise and fall. Socialism will ultimately destroy the country—so would Constitutional Originalism.

The old Articles of Conferation were almost impossible to reform—that’s why the Drafters of the Constitition ignored the procedures and just went ahead and wrote up their own document. The same thing happens nowadays—the Constition is too hard to reform, so it is just changed through the Courts instead of the formal procedure.

[bigjoesaddle]

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

[floriduh voter]

Another depressing story. Too many depraved people on the loose! Build more jails.

[Velveeta]

Prayers

[CedarDave]

Channel 10 reporting name of first victim - an African-American from Georgia who was scheduled to graduate this spring with a degree in three majors. So tragic.

[smartymarty]

“young” Asian

[BurbankKarl]

It is on the thread somewhere....Mohammed Ciabatta or something like that was pulled over by police and they were running his license.

So many Mohammeds, so little time.

[Velveeta]

post 1461

[AliVeritas]

Your 541. Cops saying “no arrests.” I saw the guy on all fours in custody. Is he now non-existent?

What channel, that needs to be captured just in case. If it was a collegiate press student, we can ask why he was so close to the scene instead of away. Sure, it could be shock... never know. Was he the one that posted the cell phone video re: shooting? If not, they should have been pulled in ASAP. They were pretty calm throughout.

[meg88]

Thanks for the clarification. That’s what makes FR so great!

[Publius Valerius]

But the presence of a gun creates, in and of itself, the danger of gunfire.

It does? I've had a shotgun sitting in my closet for the past 10 years or so, and it's never once spontaneously fired. Same with my carry weapon. Never once spontaneously fired. No danger of gunfire whatsoever.

[tcrlaf]

The name was “Mohammad Jabiz” ...

It’s posted at around 400 or so...

[mware]

Glad that he is safe, thank you for sharing that information.

[oceanview]

well, maybe someone can post a map of the school property.

[TomGuy]

MSNBC Newsreaderette just said that the shooter had not been identified because he had no cellphone, no identification, and he shot himself in the face to disfigure himself and make identification difficult.

[That was the first I had heard of him shooting himself in the face do make identification more difficult.]

[Quix]

Not really. He was incredibly wrong.

But he sure managed to prove to 30,000,000+ dead victims that he had enough power to kill them.

God’s Word will prove to be the ultimate power.

But guns are a good insurance for liberty. Perhaps you need to add a lot of the Founding Fathers’ statements about guns to your reading. Some are on this thread.

[NewsJunqui]

Fox T.V. — Shooter—Young Asian Male—Hummmm!

What are you implying? Apparently you haven't set foot on most any engineering university in the U.S. They have many foreign students.

[Halls]

I agree! You have a shooting on campus and don’t know where the shooter is, but allow kids to come on the campus and not shut down the campus with cops at every corner of the campus turning the kids away, and within a couple of hours 32 people are slaughtered!

Sorry, someone is going to pay for this big time! I cannot believe how careless and rediculous!

[Centurion2000]

Incidentally, in order to properly maintain their sovereignty, should the People through militias be able to have tanks and aircraft? Surface to Air Missiles? Grenades? Because in order to properly challenge governmental authority they would need it.

Yes they should and yes they did have the equivalents before 1934.

[Danae]

Since you quoted me I assume you READ somewhere in there that I think they responded appropriately? I said they were not responsible for the shootings. Can YOU predict the behavior of your next door neighbor? Can you predict the behavior or 26 thousand people? Only in GENERAL can you do that, and in GENERAL, they did all the correct things.
Did they notify the students? Yes they did.
But THINK man, they had to get to the first scene, interview shocked witnesses, follow up on those leads, the information they had led them to believe that it was an isolated incident, they treated it as such. They went about looking for the individual. Now if NOTHING further had happened, and they shut down the campus, people would have been yelling about how they shut down the campus for an isolated incident. They have stated they had no reason to believe that anything further would occur. THAT piece of information lay in the CHOICE of the shooter, this all assuming that the two incidents are directly related which they have NOT yet disclosed, if indeed they even know yet.
Now take into consideration, had they shut down the campus, it would have taken HOURS to clear it of the people already there and in transit. this STILL would have left hundreds if not thousands of people still in the vicinity, because the lock down would have simply stoppered people where they were, and its CLEAR that the gunman was among them already. NOTHING would have been prevented by locking down the campus. People would STILL have died.

Ultimately the SHOOTER is responsible for his choices and actions. EVERYTHING else is REACTIONARY, and that takes TIME, it takes TIME to move that many people to action and you can NOT make choices as to whom or where to move those people when you have a virtual if not COMPLETE lack of information. You may as well have locked down the whole city. It would have done about as much good.

[floriduh voter]

Bo Dietl said “they dropped the ball.” (campus admin) owned by State of Virginia, no guns. ENORMOUS LAWSUIT per J. Napilatano cuz the second wave was not prevented.

[anglian]

Thanks for that correction.

[pitinkie]

Sorry Jamal there is no Palestine!!

[BurbankKarl]

Asian dude.

[JFC]

Bo has a security company. So he MIGHT happen to have other motives for his reaction.

[mware]

I saw that information about being shot in the face, not sure where I saw it. Either on Fox or here.

[Quix]

I suspect a number of FREEPERS have a number of different labels that we feel would apply.

[DCPatriot]

I would scrub the background of the Middle Eastern kid who shot the video on his cellphone.

Profiling? NUTS!

[Centurion2000]

That’s a reporter not the perp.

[bray]

Young asian w/purple hat. Who wears a purple hat. Maybe it was a turban or something? This is looking like a Mooselip. Wonder if there were any Freepers in there that can give us a discription?

We know he wasn’t White by the silence.

Pray for W and Va Tech

[oceanview]

how many entrances are there off the main highways?

[Mo1]

That’s the first I heard of that also

[Danae]

Acting on advance information is a TOTALLY different ball of wax. A bomb threat is NOT a lone gunman making random and utterly unpredictable choices. Look, given the time between shootings, he could have gone to a retirement home and done his evil there! There is NO WAY anyone could have predicted HIS choices.

[Churchillspirit]

A challenge for CSI.

[floriduh voter]

Why don’t they use tear gas? Not Putin grade but tear gas? They just waited outside, the cops.

[2nd amendment mama]

But the presence of a gun creates, in and of itself, the danger of gunfire.

Is that so? All of my guns must be broken then. None of them just sitting on a table create any gunfire.

[meg88]

Ryan Clark, 1st victim. Set to graduate this spring

[NonValueAdded]

I was on campus during an elementary school lockdown and never felt so helpless in my life. A classroom full of kids with a full wall of windows and only two adults in the room, the teacher and me. All I could do was try to think of a way for my death to make a difference.

[Quix]

Sorry it’s in the first 750 posts of one of these threads. I think this one.

Have to get to class. Sorry.

[Arkinsaw]

Cyclopean Squid: Incidentally, in order to properly maintain their sovereignty, should the People through militias be able to have tanks and aircraft? Surface to Air Missiles? Grenades? Because in order to properly challenge governmental authority they would need it. Those are not really necessary to fight an occupying power. Small arms do ok it seems.

[BurbankKarl]

I know...but that might be where the asian reports all came from.