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I’m sorry, and I am not a big Alex Baldwin fan, but if he didn’t care about his daughter, then he wouldn’t even bother...Kate Hudson, daughter of Goldie Hawn and one of the old Hudson Brothers pop rock act, said she seldom talked with her father. Same goes for Liv Tyler, Steven Tyler’s (Aerosmith) daughter. She thought her father was Todd Rundgren...her mother, Bebe, was a Playmate in the 70’s and had a thing for those Famous Rock Stars. Anyway, from what I’ve read, Kim Basinger is rather bizarre and to have her record this sort of conversation, and not the apology that Baldwin called in later after he had cooled off is wrong, and it is going to cost her in the long run. Hey, if one of my sons pulled that sort of thing on me and wouldn’t take my call, which was a routine between us, I would be using choice words on him, believe me, and I would have some to give to his mother. Hey, nobody is saying that Baldwin molested his daughter, are they? Losing your temper and saying stuff that you might regret later (and have to apologize) just shows that Baldwin is human, fallable and loves his children, but demands their respect as the bottomline. I may not like his politics, and even though I crack a gut everytime I watch, America, World Police, I’m non Alex Baldwin’s side on this one. If my daughter is supposed to call me every such and such a day at such and such a time, then she better make damned sure she’s on that phone, and I don’t care if she’s six or sixty. That’s her Dad: show some respect.


14 posted on 04/20/2007 5:17:51 PM PDT by hleewilder
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To: hleewilder

I’m with you on this hleewilder... and it seems to be an unpopular viewpoint.

btw - it’s Alec Baldwin. ;)


27 posted on 04/20/2007 5:24:05 PM PDT by California74
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To: hleewilder

I would never, ever, never ever, never ever call my daughters the names he called his daughter, ever. I don’t give a crap who you are. Don’t tell me he lost this temper, that is BS! My parents, or any of the kids I grew up with ever had their parents act that way toward them. Some of them had some pretty mean parents.


28 posted on 04/20/2007 5:24:32 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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The monster shouldn’t be allowed to breath in the same room with her ever again.

THAT is how much contempt I have for verbally abusive parents.


32 posted on 04/20/2007 5:26:24 PM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: hleewilder
That’s her Dad: show some respect.

Didn't he hit his child's mother? Do you think maybe if she'd shown him more respect he wouldn't have been forced to hit her? Sorry, he's not worthy.

35 posted on 04/20/2007 5:28:02 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: hleewilder
Losing your temper and saying stuff that you might regret later (and have to apologize) just shows that Baldwin is human, fallable and loves his children, but demands their respect as the bottomline.M

Hey, respect is as respect does. What he did was verbal and emotional abuse. Things said like this by a father to a child on the verge of womanhood hurt for a lifetime. If he wants respect, he has to separate himself from whatever his ex says or does about him and make da*ned sure he speaks to his daughter appropriately.

36 posted on 04/20/2007 5:28:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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With all due respect, my parents used language ‘on’ me like that and then had the audacity to insist they ‘loved’ me, particularly when someone outside the family just happened to be around. Guess what? I grew up hating their guts for the way they made me think about myself because of their words. I buried them happily and wished they had passed on sooner.

You see, when, as a parent you have the philosophy you have described you forget about one thing: your kid(s) go ahead and make a life for themselves and over time you are not part of that life, to your very great loss.

Take it from me, I don’t care how upset you are, if you don’t have the mental capacity to think about the impact of your words on your kid, they are better off with you out of their lives.


49 posted on 04/20/2007 5:34:21 PM PDT by hardworking (Hill-de-pants: Never held a job. Never bought a home. Never met a payroll. Qualified to be POTUS)
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I’m sorry, and I am not a big Alex Baldwin fan, but if he didn’t care about his daughter, then he wouldn’t even bother...Kate Hudson, daughter of Goldie Hawn and one of the old Hudson Brothers pop rock act, said she seldom talked with her father. Same goes for Liv Tyler, Steven Tyler’s (Aerosmith) daughter. She thought her father was Todd Rundgren...her mother, Bebe, was a Playmate in the 70’s and had a thing for those Famous Rock Stars. Anyway, from what I’ve read, Kim Basinger is rather bizarre and to have her record this sort of conversation, and not the apology that Baldwin called in later after he had cooled off is wrong, and it is going to cost her in the long run. Hey, if one of my sons pulled that sort of thing on me and wouldn’t take my call, which was a routine between us, I would be using choice words on him, believe me, and I would have some to give to his mother. Hey, nobody is saying that Baldwin molested his daughter, are they? Losing your temper and saying stuff that you might regret later (and have to apologize) just shows that Baldwin is human, fallable and loves his children, but demands their respect as the bottomline. I may not like his politics, and even though I crack a gut everytime I watch, America, World Police, I’m non Alex Baldwin’s side on this one. If my daughter is supposed to call me every such and such a day at such and such a time, then she better make damned sure she’s on that phone, and I don’t care if she’s six or sixty. That’s her Dad: show some respect.

The content of Baldwin's rant, coupled with his 'apology', indicate that he cannot help but misdirect his anger. He claims that the outburst was the result of the lengthy ordeal he has been through with the custody battle, and I suspect he was also feeling the demands of a hectic work schedule at the time of the call, too. However, the girl didn't do those things.

In fact, the more I think about it, I don't see where you are even a little bit right to blame the child for this. Even if she was acting out by avoiding the phone call, I'd say she's been through at least as much as an ordeal as her poor, abused father. Wouldn't you?

51 posted on 04/20/2007 5:34:41 PM PDT by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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f my daughter is supposed to call me every such and such a day at such and such a time, then she better make damned sure she’s on that phone, and I don’t care if she’s six or sixty.

Or what?????
56 posted on 04/20/2007 5:36:16 PM PDT by CAWats (People that are easily angered are easily frightened.)
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You are joking...right?


61 posted on 04/20/2007 5:37:58 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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I think that you are off the mark on your comment.

Sure there is no shortage of Alex Baldwin haters on FR.com, but he is clearly an abusive person.

It ain’t as if that fellow has his head screwed on straight, cuz he don’t.

Someone of his stature, and willingness to scathingly criticize publicly folks all over the place for any number of reasons, simply ought to be more well behaved in every aspect of his own life.

The truth is IMHO is that Alex Baldwin is a very dumb guy.

63 posted on 04/20/2007 5:38:06 PM PDT by Radix (My Tag Line was almost partially aborted........)
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I don’t necessarily agree that Baldwin’s actions are an indicator that he loves his children, etc., but I will say that the things my dad used to say (and do) make this guy look like a nurturing angel of mercy. I do not, at all, like the idea that his message to his daughter was broadcast to the world. None of us knows the context of this reprimand, for one thing. Condemning this guy for using harsh words with his daughter can only lead to an atmosphere in this society where any parent is afraid to use even the sternest language toward their children lest it be used against them. We already have enough problems with under-disciplined kids in this country.


79 posted on 04/20/2007 5:44:25 PM PDT by fr_freak
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Before Alec called his daughter, he was on David Letterman making fun of her.

...thus she did not answer his call.

TMZ.com had the video of Alec on Letterman making fun of his daughter who was probably watching.

90 posted on 04/20/2007 5:55:17 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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Losing your temper and saying stuff that you might regret later (and have to apologize) just shows that Baldwin is human, fallable and loves his children, but demands their respect as the bottomline.

Losing your temper and saying stuff you regret later is one thing, but Baldwin went way, way, way beyond that. He called her a pig, twice, and he threatened her. He couldn't even remember her age in that rant. There was no fatherly love in that message - that was nothing more than a boorish, egotistical sack of dog crap with a grossly exaggerated sense of self worth using his little girl to play dominance games with his (I'm sure) equally sleazy Hollyweird ex-wife. But Kim Basinger's trashiness is a whole other issue, and if he had directed that rant at her, it would be a whole different deal.

If I had an 11 or 12 year-old child, and if any adult had called my home and left that kind of message for him or her, I would have driven over to that son of a bitch's house that night and stomped him into the ground.

138 posted on 04/20/2007 6:28:58 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC (Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
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If my daughter is supposed to call me every such and such a day at such and such a time, then she better make damned sure she’s on that phone, and I don’t care if she’s six or sixty. That’s her Dad: show some respect.

My hubby has a very long "fuse" and would crawl over broken glass for his daughters, but noting gets his goat like when we are trying to reach our oldest on her cel phone and it's turned off or it' s not with her.

And nothing, but nothing makes a lesson stick like knowing that she made her daddy angry.

143 posted on 04/20/2007 6:32:12 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading. I eat a candy bar & pay my kid 10 bucks to run around the block)
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I’m sorry, and I am not a big Alex Baldwin fan, but if he didn’t care about his daughter, then he wouldn’t even bother..

Not necessarily. It may be about control & domination. And some people only want custody of the children because the other parent does. Horrible as it is, sometimes it's just about revenge.

And she didn't "record" the conversation. He left it himself on an answering machine/voicemail with the knowledge it would be recorded. His faux apology came from a "spokesperson". She didn't need to record it. And time will tell if he's deserving of respect. At the moment he appears to be an out of control lunatic. One I would be protecting my daughter from. No good parent would deliberately subject their child to that type of behavior.

153 posted on 04/20/2007 6:41:21 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I’ve done here today doesn’t force you to have a negative opinion of me….)
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If Baldwin didn’t care about his daughter, he wouldn’t call and he wouldn’t be angry. Alec and Kim both have issues and obviously, this was a set-up by Kim. It doesn’t excuse Baldwins’ words, but you have to hear the entire message in context to really understand more of what’s going on here. Perhaps mandatory family counseling is in order. After all this crap over the years and this latest public embarrassment, I’m sure the child needs it and the parents need to learn how to grow up, leave their narcissism at the door and focus on what’s best for their daughter. A child is not a pawn in a game of ego between Mom and Dad.
164 posted on 04/20/2007 6:45:02 PM PDT by khnyny
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If my daughter is supposed to call me every such and such a day at such and such a time, then she better make damned sure she’s on that phone, and I don’t care if she’s six or sixty. That’s her Dad: show some respect.

Phones are not mystic magic talismans. I've worked with telecommunications all my life and I continue to be amazed to hear people speak of them like Pavlov's bells to drooling dogs. You can trust me on this, I know how they work. It is just a tool of convenience. We should all let the phone ring off the hook once at least every other day.

184 posted on 04/20/2007 6:57:32 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of the Big Chicken)
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iI’m sorry, and I am not a big Alex Baldwin fan, but if he didn’t care about his daughter, then he wouldn’t even bother.

If that's what you call caring, I feel sorry for your wife and kids.

187 posted on 04/20/2007 6:59:58 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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you’re joking, right? You’re as big of a nut and a control freak as Alec Baldy!! You’re going to demand your 11 year old daughter call you on the court-appointed schedule because you’ve been more angry at her mother than you care about her feelings?? You’re going to MAKE an 11 year old precious daughter have a meaningful relationship with you, or she’s going to be damn sorry, and you’re going to scare the shit out of her by getting on an airplane and telling her who’s boss?

She’s 11 YEARS OLD! You’re a pig too...and no apologies here for saying so. Your attitude in your post reaks of bitterness and anger, my friend. I hope you don’t have any daughters OR sons. Respect is earned, thru respect and kindness shown to children. Period.

Don’t be a jerk..


236 posted on 04/20/2007 7:44:16 PM PDT by adopt4Him (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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i’m sorry, but chances are that this is not the first time he’s ever spoken to her like that... who knows what he has said behind closed doors... everything we’ve heard about his temper tells me that he probably talks to her like that on a regular basis...


245 posted on 04/20/2007 7:49:30 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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