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Mass Shootings More Common Since 1960's.
WRAL.com ^ | April 21, 2007 | Matt Crenson

Posted on 04/21/2007 3:57:04 PM PDT by freemike

New York-Mass public shootings have become such a part of American life in recent decades that the most dramatic of them can be evoked from the nations collective memory in a word or two: Luby's. Jonesboro. Columbine.

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1 posted on 04/21/2007 3:57:05 PM PDT by freemike
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To: freemike

rhetorical: Have guns become more available since the 60’s (the generation of peace and love) or have Americans become less respectful and mannerly?(also the generation of “do your own thing, man).


2 posted on 04/21/2007 4:00:00 PM PDT by llevrok (It's crackers when you slip a rozzer in the dropsie and snide.)
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To: freemike
Many bad things coincide roughly with the end of civil society during the 1960s.

Unfortunately the pinheaded liberals came up with the wrong answers - one being gun control — which only made the problems worse and the bad guys bolder.

3 posted on 04/21/2007 4:00:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: llevrok

I notice that guns were easy to get back then, even up to the 1960s, like candy. One can get them in a hardware store. I notice gun control came because of the assassination of JFK, RFK, and MLK. A lot changed from the mid 1960s to 1970s.


4 posted on 04/21/2007 4:04:06 PM PDT by Ptarmigan
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To: llevrok

Could it be that we have more gun control.

Before 1968 anybody any where could buy a gun through the mail with the only Question ask was the check good.


5 posted on 04/21/2007 4:05:23 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: freemike

Television More Common Since 1960's

The people who commit mass murder want to get media attention. The availability of TV's in homes and nationwide networks to widely transmit breaking news stories live increases the incentives for mass killers and terrorists to commit their crimes.

6 posted on 04/21/2007 4:06:18 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: freemike
A Link for context.
7 posted on 04/21/2007 4:07:08 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: llevrok; All

“rhetorical: Have guns become more available since the 60’s (the generation of peace and love) or have Americans become less respectful and mannerly?(also the generation of “do your own thing, man).”

What the left and the media cannot report is that the biggest increase in anything relative to guns since the 1960s is the increase in gun regulations.

And like many things the that left seeks to regulate, the means never justify the ends in what they propose, because the results that accrue from the regulation seldom fit the stated ends that were sought.

The increased regulation of guns since 1960 is a perfect example of the insanity of liberals. Regulating “guns” does not reduce the number of “gun related” homicides.


8 posted on 04/21/2007 4:07:48 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: freemike

Maybe we have more crazy people roaming the streets instead of being locked up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Oliver_Huberty


9 posted on 04/21/2007 4:08:10 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Ptarmigan

Guns were a lot easier to get in the “good ol days.” Gun racks in the back of pickup trucks used to be every where. People used to leave rifles in the corner of the living room or in unlocked cabinets. You could buy guns through the mail, for crying out loud. Then lets not forget about the “wild west!” The libs try to have it both ways with the old west. The clamor about new gun freedoms will take us all back to the wild west,, yet, there were not mass killings back then.


10 posted on 04/21/2007 4:10:33 PM PDT by freemike
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To: freemike
Federal gun control laws started coming onstream in 1968.

The Liberals no longer wanted the Wild West, so they legislated in the Dangerous West.

Treat Them to a Good Dose of Lead (Why the 'Wild West' was not what Liberals claim-my title)

11 posted on 04/21/2007 4:16:19 PM PDT by Gritty (Most Americans are sheep. Anyone who thinks there are no wolves is in denial.-LTC Dave Grossman)
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To: freemike
Sure they are. Just like VA is "the worst ever" in US history. These violent acts are not worse, in fact, considering the population, they are lower than at any other time in history.

I guess MSM, employing the uneducated, lazy, and agenda driven (marxist moonbats) "journalists" they do, forgot that the worst school mass murder was way back in history, when a farmer, pee'd off that his farm was being siezed for tax arrears, found out that the county was building a new school on the money he had payed. So he blew up the school, killing 42.

12 posted on 04/21/2007 4:16:59 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: freemike

Lots of crappy things more common than times part.


13 posted on 04/21/2007 4:19:35 PM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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To: llevrok

There may be some increase in 20th century violence, but maybe it is just to better reporting?

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0070-3370%28199502%2932%3A1%3C1%3AEOETUH%3E2.0.CO%3B2-K&size=LARGE


14 posted on 04/21/2007 4:22:41 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Gritty

Sen Christopher Dodds daddy and the GCA of 1968....

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Finding the Nazi Weapons Law whetted our appetite. We wanted to know who implanted this Nazi cancer in America. We began by probing the backgrounds of lawmakers who championed “gun control”. We focused on those whose bills became part of GCA ‘68. GCA ‘68 as enacted closely tracks proposals dating to August 1963. We felt that if the culprit were a lawmaker — or a congressional staffer — he or she would know Germany, German law and possibly even speak German. He or she probably would have spent time in Germany on business or during military service. Alternatively, if the culprit were not a member of Congress or a staffer, there would be testimony at the hearings to that effect.

Most potential suspects were quickly eliminated; they had no apparent ties to Germany. But one lawmaker caught our attention.

An old “Who’s Who” entry showed he had been a senior member of the U.S. team that prosecuted German war criminals at Nuremberg in 1945-46. Thus, he had lived in Germany just after the Nazi period. His official duties required him to look at Nazi records, including Nazi laws. In 1963 he led the effort to greatly expand the Federal Firearms Act of 1938.

We then got a break. We told a legal scholar of our findings. He was intrigued. He sent us an extract from the record of hearings held a few months prior to the enactment of GCA ‘68. At the end of June 1968, the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee to investigate Juvenile Delinquency — chaired by Thomas J. Dodd (D-CT) — held hearings on bills: (1) “To Require the Registration of Firearms” (S.3604). (2) “To Disarm Lawless Persons” (S.3634) and (3) “To Provide for the Establishment of a National Firearms Registry” (S.3637), among others.

U.S. Representative John Dingell (D-MI) testified at these Senate hearings on “gun control”. Senator Joseph D. Tydings (D-MD) chaired some of these hearings, in Dodd’s absence.

Rep. Dingell expressed concern that if firearms registration were required, it might lead to confiscation of firearms, as had happened in Nazi Germany. Tydings angrily accused Rep. Dingell of using “scare tactics”
http://www.jpfo.org/GCA_68.htm


15 posted on 04/21/2007 4:25:07 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: freemike

“People used to live in closer proximity to their families and be more involved with civic and religious institutions. They were less likely to move from one part of the country to another, finding themselves strangers in an unfamiliar environment.”

Yeah...Moms and Dads used to actually live together with their kids. Dads worked and Moms policed the neighborhoods.


16 posted on 04/21/2007 4:25:14 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: freemike

Abject helplessness is also more common since the ‘60s. Helplessness and mass murder go hand in hand. There’s a good reason that mass-murdering gunmen don’t pick NASCAR races, rodeos, firing ranges, military bases, or police stations to commit their crimes. They almost always pick gun-free zones.


17 posted on 04/21/2007 4:26:31 PM PDT by RBMN
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To: Ptarmigan

Elementary school children used to carry guns out in the open riding their bikes.


18 posted on 04/21/2007 4:28:11 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: riverrunner
"Before 1968 anybody any where could buy a gun through the mail with the only Question ask was the check good."

Yep. Even into the 70's. I remember that at 16, I could walk into a hardware store and but a new shotgun for duck hunting season. All I had to do was show them my drivvers licence.

Teens drove around (in Pa's truck of course) with guns in the gun rack, stopped and shot ducks, plinked or whatever.

There wasn't as much crime then as there is now, and what crime there was didn't involve guns. Gun crime today STILL doesn't involve people with legal guns. Cho didn't have a legal gun;- had the judge followed the liberal rules, liberal "gun laws" that are on the books today- and checked a box 2 years ago when it was found he was a danger to society.

Had the students at VA had the same freedoms we had in the 60's and 70's, (and if you think we haven't lost freedom since then, you're either too young to know, or too old to remember) Cho wouldn't have been able to take a lunch break, mail a package to someone he knew at NBC, reload, and casually wander back into campus.

19 posted on 04/21/2007 4:29:17 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Correct! Just look at Carl Pazram who stole the Presidents Gun and used it to kill at least seven people.http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/panzram1/1.html Everything old is new again.


20 posted on 04/21/2007 4:29:43 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: llevrok; freemike; BenLurkin
Have guns become more available since the 60’s (the generation of peace and love) or have Americans become less respectful and mannerly?(also the generation of “do your own thing, man).

A lot of things have become more common since the sixties.

Single parent families (especially in which both parents are living).

We have become a more secular society.

Both parents work and the children are cared for by a non-family member. (kids in daycare for hours every day).

Some thing less common; Corporal Punishment.

Something less common; IN Loco Parentus. Teachers and the like are no longer permitted to discipline children in there care as they once where.

All of these things and more have shaken our children from there moorings. Is it any wonder that they have lost their ability to judge right from wrong?

21 posted on 04/21/2007 4:31:12 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: freemike

The Gun Control Act of 1968 has made firearms less available and made many many more gun free zones making these types of mass shootings possible.


22 posted on 04/21/2007 4:31:19 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Pontiac

I agree with you completely. Thank Betty Friedan, for one.


23 posted on 04/21/2007 4:38:00 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Wuli
"And like many things the that left seeks to regulate, the means never justify the ends in what they propose, because the results that accrue from the regulation seldom fit the stated ends that were sought.
The increased regulation of guns since 1960 is a perfect example of the insanity of liberals. Regulating “guns” does not reduce the number of “gun related” homicides.

No they don't. But you can be sure that every time guns are the hot issue, MSM will do everything it can except point out the truth.
Then, when a new gun law bill is passed, they will play a news story, a staged interview of some mother who's only child was killed in a crime by someone with a gun, and she will express relief that something is being done about "the gun culture" of the USA.

If I hear "gun culture" one more time, I'm going to puke. When is MSM going to report on the "Mohammad culture" that has crusades going on in just about every country in the world.?

24 posted on 04/21/2007 4:41:04 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: BenLurkin
Many bad things coincide roughly with the end of civil society during the 1960s.

In this incidence they also coincide with the beginning of the gun control laws. Liberals often like to say that gun owners want a return to the "wild west" days. Actually, that would be good because statistics show that per capita there were less rapes, murders, armed robberies, etc., then than there are now. Similarly, communities where there are large populations of gun owners there is less violent crime, not to mention that guns are used 5 times more to stop crime than criminals use guns to commit crime.

25 posted on 04/21/2007 4:48:39 PM PDT by Thermalseeker (Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: freemike

In 1967 I started college at Indiana University. Arrived at the dorm, and checked in my Browning Sweet 16 at the front desk.

When rabbit season started, I got on the campus bus with the cased shotgun and rode out to the IU golf course. Got off and walked out into the fields beyond and went hunting. Got a few and went back to the dorm and cleaned ‘em.

Nobody said squat.

Semper Fi,


26 posted on 04/21/2007 4:51:15 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Very true. The “breaking news” and bizaare movies and television shows contribute. As wierd as this may sound..I’m not sure that the human brain is too different from the hard drive of a computer. Violent images, be they real or contrived are imprinted on the “hard drive” in a human’s brain. Unlike a computer, they can never be erased.

So what the heck was wrong with Lassie and The Howdy Doody Show??

Why create a culture that validates violence?


27 posted on 04/21/2007 4:51:21 PM PDT by berdie
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To: freemike

The left were behind “overhauling” the criminal code in the 60’s. Crime shot up after that.


28 posted on 04/21/2007 5:16:45 PM PDT by Waco
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To: freemike

Last year I was looking through some old copies of American Rifleman and a late 1960s note caught my attention. Basically it talked about the constructive relationship between the NRA and the NEA regarding school shooting programs (the good, old type shooting programs, not mass killings). Things change quickly. It’d be nice if some reversals in this area could happen as fast.


29 posted on 04/21/2007 5:20:39 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: freemike

Aren’t prescription drugs a factor in a lot of these killing binges?


30 posted on 04/21/2007 5:25:44 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: freemike
Except for paragraphs nine and ten, this is another grossly inaccurate Associated Press article from its title and lede to its closing paragraph. Those two paragraphs recite the statistics that mass murders have NOT become more common, but have increased in proportion to murders generally. No more, no less.

The rest of the article varies from thinly supported speculation to outright contradictions to the facts in paragraphs nine and ten. If the AP had competence, they never would have published this. If they had any shame, they would be ashamed of this article.

But since the AP lacks both competence and shame, here this article is. Pity.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article: "Gun Control, Carolina-Style"

31 posted on 04/21/2007 5:28:18 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please get involved: www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Waco

***The left were behind “overhauling” the criminal code in the 60’s. Crime shot up after that.****

Years ago Reader’s Digest had an article on why Washington DC’s crime rate went up. It was when they began to release arrested criminals back on the streets “on their own recognizance”.


32 posted on 04/21/2007 5:42:10 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
In 1966 and 1967 I used to drive myself to High School, take my cased .22 target rifle in to the school and put it in my math teacher/rifle coach's closet along with the rest of the team's rifles. After school, we went to an elementary school and used the range in the basement to practice and compete with a few dozen other school's teams.

No one ever got hurt or ever misused a firearm

33 posted on 04/21/2007 5:45:33 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: freemike

Guns are WAY less available since the 50’s and 60’s !!!


34 posted on 04/21/2007 5:58:05 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: llevrok

THAT is why crime is UP! Just like in England and Australia.


35 posted on 04/21/2007 5:58:42 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: KeyLargo
There may be some increase in 20th century violence, but maybe it is just to better reporting?

I think the word is more reporting

Prior to 1960 if you staged a mass murder it might get on the radio, that night's TV, the next day's paper.

Now it will be on TV within the hour, and stay there 24/7 for at least a week. Everybody will know about you.

36 posted on 04/21/2007 6:01:09 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (No.. I said he was a Korean student, not a Koran student)
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To: muir_redwoods
After school, we went to an elementary school and used the range in the basement to practice and compete with a few dozen other school's teams.

The Old High School here also has a target range in the basement. School was built in the 1940’s.

37 posted on 04/21/2007 6:19:40 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: freemike
The same people who've consistently opposed God and right and wrong are suddenly shocked at the results of their handiwork in the past generation? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

38 posted on 04/21/2007 6:23:39 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: freemike
You'd think the article was about gun and violence, but a quick scan shows the same old liberal class envy and moral relativism to be the true topic here.

"Criminologist Fox speculates that the increasing popularity of workplace killings, and public shootings generally, may be partly due to decreasing economic security and increasing inequality. America increasingly rewards its winners with a disproportionate share of wealth and adoration, while treating its losers to a heaping helping of public shame.
'"We ridicule them. We vote them off the island. We laugh at them on `American Idol,'"' Fox said"

39 posted on 04/21/2007 6:41:29 PM PDT by infidel29 (...but sir, if my child had a fever I wouldn't go to a bureaucrat for the diagnosis.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Interesting. What kind of gun? I think another problem is all this PC garbage. What happened to “After school” or “Meet me at the flagpole”? At least no one died and someone came out with some minor injuries.


40 posted on 04/21/2007 6:46:31 PM PDT by Ptarmigan
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To: the_Watchman

Aren’t prescription drugs a factor in a lot of these killing binges?
____________________________________________

That is a lot of the problems, I feel.

http://www.medicinenet.com/depression/page5.htm

Tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs) were developed in the 1950’s and 60’s to treat depression. They are called tricyclic antidepressants because their chemical structures consist of three chemical rings. TCAs work mainly by increasing the level of norepinephrine in the brain synapses, although they also may affect serotonin levels.

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Could-Antidepressants-Explain-the-Virginia-Tech-Massacre—10928.aspx?Expand=Comment


41 posted on 04/21/2007 6:49:17 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

If you check out Thomas Sowell’s book “The Vision of the Anointed” he shows that crime had been steadily decreasing for years before the 60’s Supreme court rulings that began giving criminals more rights and citizens fewer rights (all the court rulings and there impacts are listed in the book). Poverty had also been steadily decreasing for many years,, right up until the so called “war on poverty” began. We have been fed so much disinformation about history it is nearly a crime.


42 posted on 04/21/2007 6:57:55 PM PDT by freemike
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To: freemike
I agree with the points here but I think we also have a 24 hour news cycle that keeps on repeating anf pounding these stories over and over again. I do understand that in today's world, you have more people flitting on and out but "way back in the day," most people got their news in the morning via paper, radio and TV, perhaps a news update a noon on TV, and at night with a newspaper or TV again. Heck, I remember when TV stations use to sign off at night, although here in Pittsburgh, KDKA-TV was 24 hours even in the 1950's because of the facotries and steel mills, they had programming for people who worked the graveyard and swing shifts. Closest thing to a 24 hour news cycle then, unless something was happening like the JFK Assassination, was tuning your radio to the news at the hour and half hour.

Still though, it seems like we are in a different world than we were even 30 years ago. Less civilized (although this had stated in the 1960's, but the foundation wasn't cracked thru yet) now then back then. As a believer in God, I also believe Satan exists and is loose in this world. Satan has always been loose but it seems like he is working a lot more overtime now.
43 posted on 04/21/2007 7:01:25 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Paint me something patriotic, like, The Confederate Flag!" - Wolf, from "Blackboard Jumble")
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To: Nowhere Man

Also,, there is something to be said that,, when these things happened in the past,, It largely stayed local or regional. Now,, it is almost instantly around the world.


44 posted on 04/21/2007 7:03:33 PM PDT by freemike
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Elementary school children used to carry guns out in the open riding their bikes. "

I remembrer that. Tried to keep it out of sight. Only had one guy come out _itchin' and sceamin' 'cause I was molestin' the squirrels, and another grounds keeper in a local golf course huntin' the waskewee wabbit. LOL!

45 posted on 04/21/2007 7:10:48 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: freemike
Also,, there is something to be said that,, when these things happened in the past,, It largely stayed local or regional. Now,, it is almost instantly around the world.

Even if the story broke nationally, it seems like back then, it was the focus for a few days and then we got over it and moved on. Today, it is like a broken record, ever and over again. Crap, even where I work at and everywhere else, we have flags at half mast. I was wondering at first, did another former President pass on or some sort of well known Senator, Congressman or Surpreme Court Judge? I'm not "dissing" the event nor insulting the families and people involved, but I think we are carrying this way, way overboard.
46 posted on 04/21/2007 7:13:51 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Paint me something patriotic, like, The Confederate Flag!" - Wolf, from "Blackboard Jumble")
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To: llevrok

No, guns have been less accessible since the ‘60s. But psychotropic anti-depressants have been MUCH, MUCH more accessible since the ‘60s and seem to be a recurring theme common to every mass shooting I can recall in recent memory.

The MSM has reported on everything about Cho’s guns but we have yet to have one of the idiots from the MSM report on what psychotropic drug Cho was taking for his depression. Was it Ritalin? Prozac? What?


47 posted on 04/22/2007 12:16:36 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: BenLurkin

most of these shooters would have been put in mental institutions before the 60’s...Now,their left to stew in their fantasy world and boom....
Side note about charles whitman..He left a note for medical community to check his brain..He said there was something wrong with him
he was right.After his death ,it showed his brain had a tumor and could have triggered his anger...


48 posted on 04/22/2007 5:37:14 AM PDT by fishbabe
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To: Ptarmigan
I notice that guns were easy to get back then, even up to the 1960s, like candy.

Prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968, all manner of guns were available via mail-order. You could even buy very large surplus weapons like the Lahti Anti-Tank Gun (for about $80 in the 50s). All that was required was to sign a form stating you were not prohibited by law from purchasing!

Soldiers regularly returned from WWI, WWII and the Korean War with "War Trophies" (including grenades and explosives).

The major things that changed were: Respect for Authority (of any sort) began to vanish; Personal Freedom was no longer balanced by Personal Responsibility; the Mass Media operated 24/7 seeking out the very worst sensational news and bombarding everyone with it; and, "Traditional Values" became quaint at best and fully discarded at worst!

Throughout mankind's history there have always been individuals who were totally void of morality and conscience. Such individuals often killed scores of others before being eliminated. However, today, one can be totally psychotic and KNOW that "fame" is but a heinous act away!

49 posted on 04/22/2007 5:55:45 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Pontiac

Our old school had a range as well. I remember a kid bringing a gun to “show and tell’ as well as high school kids bringing guns to the hunter safety class taught at the school.


50 posted on 04/22/2007 6:16:55 AM PDT by freemike
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