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Mayor (Bloomberg) Proposes A Fee For Driving Into Manhattan
NYT ^ | 4-22-2007 | Maria Newman

Posted on 04/22/2007 4:05:58 PM PDT by blam

Mayor Proposes a Fee for Driving Into Manhattan

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg laid out a series of Earth Day proposals on Sunday at the American Museum of Natural History.

By MARIA NEWMAN
Published: April 22, 2007

Saying that he would not spend his final term in office “pretending that all is fine,” Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg made a series of Earth Day proposals this afternoon to improve the environment of New York City, including charging a new congestion fee to drivers who come into parts of Manhattan during peak hours during weekdays.

The $8 congestion fee was one of 127 initiatives included in a sweeping plan by the mayor to help the city of currently 8.2 million people cope with an expected surge in population that he said is sure to put a strain on its transportation, housing and energy systems.

“Let’s face up to the fact that our population growth is putting our city on a collision course with the environment, which itself is growing more unstable and uncertain,” the mayor said.

A key objective is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 30 percent by 2030, by which time the population is projected to grow by at least a million people, he said.

The proposal that is sure to attract the most attention, and possibly objections, is one to impose the $8 fee on car drivers, and $21 for truck operators, to drive in Manhattan south of 86th Street.

The mayor said congestion on the city’s streets is the source of many of the city’s health, environmental and economic problems.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: driving; fee; london; manhattan; mayor

1 posted on 04/22/2007 4:06:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I hope this man elects a burial when he is dead.

And I hope I outlive him.

Because I’m anxious to piss on his grave.


2 posted on 04/22/2007 4:08:31 PM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a Rudy-Bot...Think for yourself.)
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To: blam
Who's a big enough idiot to drive on that island if they don't absolutely have to/get paid to, anyway? I wouldn't.
3 posted on 04/22/2007 4:08:59 PM PDT by RichInOC (Stupidity is its own punishment...but sometimes it causes collateral damage.)
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To: blam

You already pay a fee for driving into Manhattan on most bridges and tunnels. It’s called a toll.

You also pay a whopping tax if you put your car in a parking garage. If you leave it on the street and get towed, you pay a huge fine to redeem your car.

If you drive into Manhattan for the purpose of working, you pay a whopping state income tax.

And if you drive into Manhattan and stay at a hotel, you pay a whopping hotel tax.

Altogether, It’s a wonder anybody bothers to drive into Manhattan.


4 posted on 04/22/2007 4:10:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: blam

Yes, he is explicitly following in the footsteps of “Red” Ken Livingstone with this one.


5 posted on 04/22/2007 4:10:46 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: blam
A key objective is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 30 percent by 2030...

Well,that puts *my* mind at ease.At least he's not doing it for the $$$.

6 posted on 04/22/2007 4:10:53 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: RichInOC

Hell, like I need another reason to avoid that cesspool!


7 posted on 04/22/2007 4:11:53 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: blam
$8 congestion fee

Carbon Off-sets.


These people are nuts, but they keep getting elected. And they manage to create these scams and frauds.
8 posted on 04/22/2007 4:12:05 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: blam

as a person born on this island, it’s just another in a long list of reasons to avoid it.


9 posted on 04/22/2007 4:13:04 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: blam
Just ban cars from downtown New York. Let's call this what it is really is: a revenue enhancement measure. It has nothing to do with cleaning up New York's air or reducing global warming.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 04/22/2007 4:13:07 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cicero
You already pay a fee for driving into Manhattan on most bridges and tunnels. It’s called a toll.

True enough.But those tolls are meant to pay the hacks...sorry..."public servants" who "maintain" the bridges and tunnels.An additional toll must be instituted to pay all the other,ummmm,public servants.

11 posted on 04/22/2007 4:15:20 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: RichInOC

“Mayor (Bloomberg) Proposes A Fee For Driving Into Manhattan”

So you pay a fee to get into NY then you have to pay an additional fee to drive into Manhattan. Next thing he will do is a subway and bus tax.

I say anyone who has over 1 billion in assets has to give half to the UN.


12 posted on 04/22/2007 4:16:59 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Communism is legalized corruption by the elite.)
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To: blam
I REALLY hope it passes, along with the corresponding fee for anyone from NYC to go OUT of the city and pollute the rest of the state, country, world....
13 posted on 04/22/2007 4:17:44 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: blam
Typical politician - never met a fee or tax he didn’t want to force on taxpayers.
14 posted on 04/22/2007 4:21:54 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Liberals are destroying this country and our spineless politicians are helping them!)
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To: blam
Excellent idea Bloommersberger has.

He looks like a fellow who would rather squat to pee than stand up like a man.

The liberals of New Jerk City deserve this worm.

Just goes to show that you get what you elect.

Wealth dosen’t necessarily convert into common sense for many, especially the Hollyweird and New Jerk City crowd.

15 posted on 04/22/2007 4:23:41 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: blam

16 posted on 04/22/2007 4:29:33 PM PDT by LFOD777 (In 2006, Washington spent $2.7 Trillion and ran a $248 billion budget deficit.)
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To: Cicero

> Altogether, It’s a wonder anybody bothers to drive into Manhattan.

I don’t, haven’t driven there in 20 years. Don’t care to. Take the train into the city and ride the subway.

My son drove in NYC a couple of years ago coming from the south to see a Yanks/Red Sox game. He took the tunnel from New Jersey, drove through Manhattan to the Bronx. It was his first time in he Big Apple, and gosh from his pix and descriptions you’d think he passed though Oz.


17 posted on 04/22/2007 4:37:11 PM PDT by cloud8
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To: blam

It would make sense if this actually reduced the congestion in NYC, but it wont.

But it wont. The main problem is so much biz related traffic. Mostly trucks and vans. And they still have to come into the city, surcharge or not.

This will get passed on as a cost to comsumers by higher costs of doing biz and for higher costs for products. They studies that say it will save time $ money via reduced traffic are worthless.

This is just a tax.


18 posted on 04/22/2007 4:38:27 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: blam

Reminds me of a joke:

Before going to Europe on business, a man drove his Rolls-Royce to a downtown New York City bank and went in to ask for an immediate loan of $5,000.

The loan officer, taken aback, requested collateral and so the man said, “Well then, here are the keys to my Rolls-Royce.”

The loan officer promptly had the car driven into the bank’s underground parking for safe keeping, and gave him $5,000.

Two weeks later, the man walked through the bank’s doors, and asked to settle up his loan and get his car back. “That will be $5,000 in principal, and $15.40 in interest”, the loan officer said. The man wrote out a check and started to walk away.

“Wait sir”, the loan officer said, “while you were gone, I found out you are a millionaire. Why in the world would you need to borrow $5,000?”

The man smiled. “Where else could I park my Rolls-Royce in Manhattan for two weeks and pay only $15.40?


19 posted on 04/22/2007 4:41:29 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: blam
expected surge in population that he said is sure to put a strain on its transportation, housing and energy systems.

Hmmmm. Why not just let the cops and ICE do their job and deport the illegals? That will reduce congestion.

He's a dork. A sincerely deluded one. It won't happen, because it will kill too much business, and the City Council (of Aldermen . . . non-PC term) won't go along.

20 posted on 04/22/2007 4:53:44 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Gay State Conservative; Cicero

“You already pay a fee for driving into Manhattan on most bridges and tunnels. “

If Bloomberg REALLY wanted to raise cash, he’d make people pay to LEAVE NYC

If I was in NYC I know I would give my left..... to get away from that place.


21 posted on 04/22/2007 5:02:08 PM PDT by RedMonqey ( The truth is never PC)
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To: blam

90% of the cars there are taxis.

(That’s a guess.)


22 posted on 04/22/2007 5:03:53 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: blam
Has anyone said how this would work? The map seems to indicate that the West Side Highway (or West Street) and the FDR Drive are "uncharged routes." Are they going to charge people who get off south of 86th Street? Will they require EasyPass to drive in NYC (in violation of Legal Tender laws)? Despite all the silly comments about driving into NYC, it's relatively easy as long as one avoids rush hour(s). I went in last Wednesday for dinner. All of the traffic congestion was in NJ!

ML/NJ

23 posted on 04/22/2007 5:06:37 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: blam
A key objective is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 30 percent by 2030, by which time the population is projected to grow by at least a million people, he said.

By taxation, the growth estimates are greatly exaggerated.

24 posted on 04/22/2007 5:08:03 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: goldstategop
"Just ban cars from downtown New York. Let's call this what it is really is: a revenue enhancement measure. It has nothing to do with cleaning up New York's air or reducing global warming."

The parallels to the cigarette tax hikes are amazing.
25 posted on 04/22/2007 5:09:33 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Disambiguator
Here is a true story.

I have a friend who works in the "fund of funds" part of the hedge fund business. He's a terribly smart guy... Ivy league education, and strong math skills... a savant.

When he goes to Kennedy airport, he figures out how long his trip will be for and if the money justifies it, he treats the car tow like a valet service. He pulls up in front of the airport, summons the tow truck, and gets on his plane.

When he gets back, he goes to the impound yard, pays his fine, and picks up his car.

I think the trip duration that justifies it is something like 11 days. If he's gone longer than that it's cheaper tp get the car towed than to pay for parking.

Absolutely true.

26 posted on 04/22/2007 5:11:56 PM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: Right Wing Assault

It’s wrong by quite a bit.


27 posted on 04/22/2007 5:12:27 PM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: proudofthesouth
Typical politician - never met a fee or tax he didn’t want to force on taxpayers.

So stereotypical it's amazing. For every solution there's a tax.

28 posted on 04/22/2007 5:15:14 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: blam
The $8 congestion fee was one of 127 initiatives included in a sweeping plan by the mayor to help the city of currently 8.2 million people cope with ...

No one remembers the timid...

Any one who can work in Manhattan can afford $80. Why stop with a lousy girly-man $8?

Just saying.

29 posted on 04/22/2007 5:16:03 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: tcostell

Sounds like a lot of trouble, plus I’d be worried that the tow operator (they’re all salt-of-the-earth types) might damage the vehicle. Couldn’t he just take a cab?


30 posted on 04/22/2007 5:16:56 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: blam
"Mayor (Bloomberg) Proposes A Fee For Driving Into Manhattan"

Mayor Bloomberg would have to pay me to drive into Manhattan!

31 posted on 04/22/2007 5:23:38 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: blam

Another rich Liberal out for the little guy........

Republicans should toss this control freak out of our party.


32 posted on 04/22/2007 5:30:25 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush)
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To: tcostell

>>When he goes to Kennedy airport, he figures out how long his trip will be for and if the money justifies it, he treats the car tow like a valet service. He pulls up in front of the airport, summons the tow truck, and gets on his plane.<<

That is the most outrageously humerous story I’ve heard in a while. Amazing.


33 posted on 04/22/2007 5:32:26 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress
Stop Coming To Work And Save The Planet
34 posted on 04/22/2007 5:36:30 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Idiotic. Traffic isn’t any worse or better than it’s been for the last 20 years. Congestion hasn’t reached any kind of breaking point or any such nonsense.

I’ve been driving into the city on weekends from Westchester for years (I ride the train in every weekday). Things have been made tougher driving in under Bloomberg in two ways:

1. Reducing the number of free parking spots in midtown drastically. Virtually everywhere now are the pay machines (though parking’s still free on Sundays, which they deliberately don’t advertise in order to sucker in the newbies and clueless suburbanites).

2. Greatly increasing the penalties if you do get caught. A midtown parking ticket will cost you $120-150 dollars. Enough to put the fear of God in you.

But a mandatory $8 charge is enough to kill off the hardcore veterans like myself. I won’t be driving in any more if that’s the case. And the city loses a great amount of income from me and my family in order to gain ... well, absolutely nothing.

Idiotic.


35 posted on 04/22/2007 5:37:48 PM PDT by Jhensy
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To: blam

NYC already charges admission; all they’re doing is raising the price!


36 posted on 04/22/2007 6:03:28 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TAGLINE virus has been CURED!.)
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To: TomGuy

A tax is a tax is a tax.

They don’t need any new reasons to tax... just call it something different to match the rhetoric of the day.


37 posted on 04/23/2007 2:25:54 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: finnman69

You are correct that this plan won’t make a dent in traffic congestion. And who will be hurt most? City residents who for one reason or another find it inconvenient to use the subways:

1. Older people and those in poor health who find it hard to negotiate all those stairs.
2. Mothers with infants or toddlers who have to carry baby, strollers, and related gear.
3. Freelancers who transport large portfolios, sample cases, musical instruments and other items that make long walks and riding in crowded trains a challenge.

An extra eight dollar fee for every trip into midtown, on top of all the other tolls, parking fees and so on that they already pay, is quite a burden, though I’m sure Bloomberg and his pals can afford it.


38 posted on 04/23/2007 6:46:04 AM PDT by joylyn
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To: Glenn

Get in line! , (: >)

(ITS A LONG LINE AND GROWING!)


39 posted on 04/25/2007 3:34:52 PM PDT by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: blam

This guy is way more liberal than most liberal democrats.


40 posted on 04/25/2007 3:44:24 PM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: blam

Next he’ll put monitors on his residents’ chests to tax every breath they take. Jerk.


41 posted on 04/25/2007 4:04:21 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: OKIEDOC

Our beloved liberal governor has now announced that he plans to get gay marriage legalized in New York. I hope folks are happy with their choice!


42 posted on 04/25/2007 4:05:34 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: RichInOC
Who's a big enough idiot to drive on that island if they don't absolutely have to/get paid to, anyway? I wouldn't.

______________________________________

No, you just revel in the cultural riches of the OC.

43 posted on 04/25/2007 4:10:34 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: tcostell
Somebody is pulling your leg.

Minimum ticket $110. Tow fee $110. Processing fee $70. Daily storage fee $10/day for day 1-2, $15/day after. Plus cab fare to get to the pound (after you figure out which one) say $30.

Your friend would pay at least $420 to free his car after for a twelve day trip....except that it wouldn't be there because after ten days unclaimed cars go to the city for auction.

Makes a good bar room tale though.

44 posted on 04/25/2007 4:48:16 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

That wasn’t a knock on the city, other than that Manhattan strikes me for the most part as a particularly inhospitable place to travel by car.


45 posted on 04/25/2007 6:58:57 PM PDT by RichInOC (Rich's Undeniable Truth of the Day: We need IQ tests for drivers' license applicants.)
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To: RichInOC

Gotcha - we cool.


46 posted on 04/26/2007 4:37:21 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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