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Rudy Giuliani: I Can Support Both Abortion and Partial-Birth Abortion Ban
LifeNews ^ | 04/26/2007 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 04/26/2007 10:06:32 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

Concord, NH (LifeNews.com) -- Rudy Giuliani defended his position on abortion and partial-birth abortion during a campaign stop in New Hampshire on Tuesday. The former New York City mayor told voters that he's not being inconsistent when he says he supports abortion but also backs the Supreme Court ruling on the partial-birth abortion ban. Giuliani insisted that his recent support for the partial-birth abortion ban and the high court's ruling upholding it was consistent with his past opposition to the ban.

"I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion, respect somebody else's conscience who might make a different decision, and also believe that particular form of abortion is wrong," he said.

He said he shifted his position on the ban when lawmakers adopted "more scientific language" in the life of the mother provision in the bill in 2003.

Giuliani explained that he opposed the partial-birth abortion ban in the 1990s and supported President Clinton's two vetoes of it because he didn't think the life of the mother exception was strong enough.

However, the premise behind Clinton's vetoes was his contention that the ban needed a health exception despite medical groups saying that the three-day-long abortion procedure is never medically necessary.

Giuliani previously told CNN's Inside Politics in a 1999 interview, that he does not support even a modest ban on the gruesome partial-birth abortion procedure saying, "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."

Yet, in a Fox News interview in February, Giuliani said that he supports a ban on partial-birth abortion as long as there is a provision to protect the life of the mother.

"If it has provision for the life of the mother, then I would support it," he told the Fox News program.

But his pro-abortion views overall are turning him off with GOP voters and the more the abortion issue comes up the more his poll numbers are beginning to fall.

Republican voters have previously turned away pro-abortion candidates from capturing the primary nod, including former California Gov. Pete Wilson and Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter. Republicans haven't had a pro-abortion nominee since Gerald Ford in 1976.

Arizona Sen. John McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are the top two candidates in the polls apart from Giuliani.

Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee are also running and drawing significant support from the pro-life community.

Other potential Republican candidates include pro-life former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, pro-life Reps. Duncan Hunter of California and Tom Tancredo of Colorado, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, and former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson. Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson are also in the mix.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionismurder; giuliani; infanticide; prodeath; rudy; stoprudy2008
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Murdering an infant in the birth canal will most likely lead to severe mental distress and disorder when the mother *realizes* the gruesome act she has participated in. What a farce: “health of the woman”!!!!

The people who continue to protect this procedure are in no way concerned with the “health” of the mother. This debate shines the spotlight on the dark souls of the most DEMENTED among us.


41 posted on 04/26/2007 12:47:20 PM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: cgk

he sure is a “heretik”!


42 posted on 04/26/2007 12:50:09 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Spiff

That is damning stuff!


43 posted on 04/26/2007 12:55:27 PM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: kevkrom

Plane tickets, Ammo, A Weapon, that’s all very expensive stuff. I would not want to deny a poor persons right to olberman-slaying so yes I would. /s


44 posted on 04/26/2007 1:16:39 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I can support Rudy and oppose his candidacy as well.

So there!


45 posted on 04/26/2007 1:21:00 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Fiji Hill
well, if you are going to quote Big Joe Turner:

I'm like the one-eyed snake, peekin' at a seafood store
I'm like the one-eyed snake, peekin' at a seafood store
I been lookin' at you, tell you ain't a child no more
yea

I said shake, rattle and roll
Shake, rattle and roll
Shake, rattle and roll
Shake, rattle and roll
You can't do nothin'
To save your dog-gone soul

Well over the hill, way down on her knees
Over the hill, way down on on her knees
You make me roll my eyes
baby make me grit my teeth

That's they way Big Joe sang it, but other versions may vary.

46 posted on 04/26/2007 1:46:28 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I voted against the ban on partial birth abortion before I voted for it. -RG

*roll eyes*

Rudy is no conservative. Liberal republicans are trying to hoodwink him into office, and force conservatives to vote for him or else the democrat wins.

*roll eyes*

I’m not a wimpy conservative are you?


47 posted on 04/26/2007 2:33:46 PM PDT by Raquel (Rudy Is Really a Liberal)
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To: All

“”I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion, respect somebody else’s conscience who might make a different decision, and also believe that particular form of abortion is wrong,” he said.”

Can you respect somebody else’s conscience when it comes to the born, too, Rudy?


48 posted on 04/26/2007 2:35:08 PM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: Michael.SF.
I have several versions of Shake, Rattle & Roll, including one by Gayle Larson & the Toppers on a 78 rpm EP issued by Tops, a budget label that provided "cover" versions of popular songs, but Big Joe's version is still my favorite.
49 posted on 04/26/2007 3:15:10 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: spikeytx86

“I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion, respect somebody else’s conscience who might make a different decision”

Spoken like a true democrat!

Conveniently, they all have multiple personality disorder. Sooooo, just cuz they said it doesn’t mean they said it when they said it. Agreed?


50 posted on 04/26/2007 4:11:47 PM PDT by Rightfootforward
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To: Cicero

I agree with you, but at least we all have to admit he’s been reasonably honest about the issue.


51 posted on 04/26/2007 4:37:19 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Rightfootforward

“Spoken like a true democrat!”

Sadly true. When I first heard what he said a while back my jaw dropped. It was almost word for word John Kerry’s position on Abortion.


52 posted on 04/26/2007 4:38:22 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86

“It was almost word for word John Kerry’s position on Abortion.”

Good catch. You’re absolutely right.

Faux Republicans do nothing for me. Correction. They make me mad.


53 posted on 04/26/2007 4:51:26 PM PDT by Rightfootforward
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To: AFPhys

Yes, he’s honest. He always has been. He doesn’t give an inch to the press, and it worked very well while he was mayor.

The problem is, I was hoping he would understand the constitutional issues: the right to life, the right to bear arms. After all, he’s a Catholic, too, so he should have some sense of the moral issues. But evidently he doesn’t.

He says he will appoint strict constructionist judges, but evidently he thinks the Roe v. Wade is constitutional. That rules him out.

He had a chance to change on these issues ONCE, and not be called a flipper flopper, since running for president is very different from being mayor of NYC. But it’s too late now.


54 posted on 04/26/2007 5:21:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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(((((STOP RUDY 2008 PING)))))


55 posted on 04/26/2007 6:49:14 PM PDT by Doofer (Run Fred Run........)
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To: Southerngl

I actually know quite a few people that support abortion but not partial birth abortion.


56 posted on 04/26/2007 6:51:03 PM PDT by dleecomeback07 (Let's Go Pee Yay (The Cubs new young player is named Pie pronounced Pee Yay))
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To: dleecomeback07
I actually know quite a few people that support abortion but not partial birth abortion.

So do I, but I wouldn't vote for any of them either. One would think someone seeking the presidency should have a coherent position and at the very least a logical moral philosophy.

At least we should expect that from a Republican candidate.

57 posted on 04/26/2007 6:59:17 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I wish Giuliani had to witness just one partial-birth abortion - the whole procedure from beginning to end.

If he then comes away with the same frame of mind, I’d declare him a heartless, cold-blooded, pathetic excuse of a sub-human.


58 posted on 04/26/2007 6:59:21 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

He’s more confusing than John Kerry.


59 posted on 04/26/2007 7:05:34 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

“Rudy Giuliani: I Can Support Both Abortion and Partial-Birth Abortion Ban”

Not THAT’S TALENT! Better than John Kerry hands down!


60 posted on 04/26/2007 7:41:25 PM PDT by Grunthor (Tagline under construction)
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