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Did Justices' Catholicism Play Part in Abortion Ruling?
The Washington Post ^ | 4/30/07 | Robert Barnes

Posted on 04/30/2007 8:59:22 PM PDT by LdSentinal

Is it significant that the five Supreme Court justices who voted to uphold the federal ban on a controversial abortion procedure also happen to be the court's Roman Catholics?

It is to Tony Auth, the Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist for the Philadelphia Inquirer. He drew Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. wearing bishop's miters, and labeled his cartoon "Church and State."

Rosie O'Donnell and Barbara Walters hashed out the issue on "The View," with O'Donnell noting that a majority of the court is Catholic and wondering about "separation of church and state." Walters counseled that "we cannot assume that they did it because they're Catholic."

And the chatter continues, on talk radio and in the blogosphere. In the latter category, no one has stirred it up quite like Geoffrey R. Stone, former dean and now provost of the University of Chicago's law school.

He posted an item titled "Faith-Based Justices" on his school's blog and on Huffington Post. The post was mostly praised by liberal readers at Huffington Post, but set off a free-for-all back home in Chicago on the faculty blog.

Stone's argument was that the decision in Gonzales v. Carhart repudiated the court's previous abortion jurisprudence and offered flimsy reasoning for upholding the federal ban on the procedure opponents call "partial birth," when seven years ago it had rejected a Nebraska law that was "virtually identical."

"What then explains this decision?" he wrote. "Here is a painfully awkward observation: All five justices in the majority in Gonzales are Catholic. The four justices who are either Protestant or Jewish all voted in accord with settled precedent. It is mortifying to have to point this out."

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KEYWORDS: abortion; babies; catholic; partialbirth
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1 posted on 04/30/2007 8:59:24 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal; monkapotamus; NYer; All

OH I see so the Demos going blame Cathoics for ruling probably they are so out of it LOL!


2 posted on 04/30/2007 9:00:34 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: LdSentinal; monkapotamus; NYer; All

OH I see so the Demos going blame Cathoics for ruling probably they are so out of it LOL!


3 posted on 04/30/2007 9:00:44 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: LdSentinal
1. The Jewish justices were not voting Jewish law on this.
Actually, the Talmudic ruling gives precedence to the baby at a certain point in labor. If wither a majority of the baby or the head is out, then all means must be taken to save the baby. Otherwise, all means must be taken to save the mother.
2. If Souter and Kennedy switched, would the left have been less annoyed?
4 posted on 04/30/2007 9:03:22 PM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: LdSentinal

If Catholics adopted a conservative agenda, the Democrats would be finished.


5 posted on 04/30/2007 9:04:11 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: LdSentinal

I don’t think it was as much their Catholicism as it was their humanity.

You might as well ask if Ginsberg’s Jewishness had anything to do with HER vote.


6 posted on 04/30/2007 9:04:12 PM PDT by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: rmlew

Notice, one more time, the Rats ignore the issue, instead they attack personally, those on the other side. Someday I hope soon, America needs that little boy to stand up and tell us the Rats don`t have any clothes.


7 posted on 04/30/2007 9:07:38 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: SevenofNine

Hmm. More meds and sleep. Call us in the morning.


8 posted on 04/30/2007 9:07:51 PM PDT by TheZMan (That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends...)
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To: LdSentinal

Basics: The left despises and wants to destroy all religion, because morality stands in the ay of their agenda. There is a virulent anti-catholocism at work, but in the end all traditional religions are to be targets. There was no settled precedent for partial birth abortion, and Souter and Ginzberg are left wing radicals, regardless of religion.


9 posted on 04/30/2007 9:09:15 PM PDT by Williams
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To: LdSentinal

NO!


10 posted on 04/30/2007 9:09:27 PM PDT by Fred (Looking Forward to Impeaching the OTHER Clinton)
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To: LdSentinal
I’m a proud Catholic.

This article is a disgrace.

11 posted on 04/30/2007 9:10:36 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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To: LdSentinal

Sure, it’s because they’re Catholics.

They’re Catholics voting their conscience.

And this is a problem because...?


12 posted on 04/30/2007 9:12:17 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: LdSentinal

You don’t have to be Catholic or even religious to see PBA as out and out murder. Even those who tolerate early abortion see PBA as murder.


13 posted on 04/30/2007 9:16:26 PM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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To: LdSentinal

Who cares? Partial Birth Abortion is banned. Praise God!!!


14 posted on 04/30/2007 9:17:45 PM PDT by no dems (Michele Malkin: She's Ann Coulter with class.)
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To: Migraine
I don’t think it was as much their Catholicism as it was their humanity.

Catholicism is humanity.

Jesus walked into a world that stoned women to death for committing adultery. Most of the world has given that up, since.

15 posted on 04/30/2007 9:18:50 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: LdSentinal

How come nobody ever says that someone voted for or against something because of their atheism? Just curious.


16 posted on 04/30/2007 9:19:10 PM PDT by Laptop_Ron
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To: LdSentinal

Did Harry Reid’s Mormanism cause him to vote for the measure?


17 posted on 04/30/2007 9:19:26 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Fred Thompson for President)
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To: LdSentinal

I take this only to indicate that Catholics raise their children better... I’m sure is my son or daughter were on the court, they would have voted the same way.


18 posted on 04/30/2007 9:20:15 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

What were they first: human, or Catholic?

That’s all I’m saying.

Not to diminish what you said either. You are right on.


19 posted on 04/30/2007 9:21:00 PM PDT by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: LdSentinal
Did Ginsburg’s feminist background influence her vote?

Did Steven’s dementia influence his vote?

Did Bryer’s liberalism influence his vote?

Did Souter’s gayness influence his vote?

WHY YES IT DID!

20 posted on 04/30/2007 9:22:41 PM PDT by JRochelle (Al Sharpton: Its hard out here for a race pimp.)
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To: Migraine

just don’t think you can be one without the other.


21 posted on 04/30/2007 9:23:19 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: LdSentinal

Once again all cues flow from Rosie O’Donnell to the New York Times to the rest of the media, follow the lunacy.


22 posted on 04/30/2007 9:24:54 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: umgud

I am not Catholic, am in fact an atheist who is anti-religion. But PBA is murder. While first trimester abortion is at least debatable, there’s none to be had with PBA.


23 posted on 04/30/2007 9:28:45 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Laptop_Ron

Because if you say you’re an atheist, you don’t get elected in the first place.


24 posted on 04/30/2007 9:29:38 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse

Ah, good point.


25 posted on 04/30/2007 9:30:59 PM PDT by Laptop_Ron
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To: gcruse

But, then again, we’re talking about media analysis of somebody else’s decision, so getting elected doesn’t enter into it.


26 posted on 04/30/2007 9:32:06 PM PDT by Laptop_Ron
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To: LdSentinal
So the 5 Catholic justices happened to have voted one way... *gasp* that must mean there's a...

...that's right...



...Protestant and Jewish conspiracy to vote the other way!!!!!

Where is separation of Church and State?!?!? Why does a Jewish minority have such disproportionate power over our courts?!?!?! AAAAGGGGHHHHH!

*sigh*
idiots

and isn't it funny how the Left so hates "precedent" when it doesn't agree with their views but suddenly it's an infallible judicial law of the universe now that they perceive the Court to have broken with it?

*sigh*
hypocrites, too

you know, I used to think that smiley face that shows up during FReepathons with the message "Imagine a world without liberals" was really tacky, especially due to the futility of bringing it into reality, but it's looking more and more appealing of late. I guess I'm getting politically fatigued.

27 posted on 04/30/2007 9:34:00 PM PDT by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: Migraine

Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg’s religion is the ACLU and it DOES play a role in her decisions.


28 posted on 04/30/2007 9:35:24 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Laptop_Ron

Agreed, but media don’t bother analysing the decisions of people out of govt much.


29 posted on 04/30/2007 9:37:35 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: LdSentinal

It’s worse!!! All five of the justices voting to ban PBA are men. Does their gender have anything to do with their decision? Is it a guy thing? What does that say for the three other ‘men’ who voted against the ban? Inquiring minds with nothing else to do with their time want to know!


30 posted on 04/30/2007 9:38:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: gcruse

I should have added that it is actually part of a political platform and the dems will fight tooth and nail to keep any form of abortion. BTW, I’m not an athiest or a Catholic.


31 posted on 04/30/2007 9:38:30 PM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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Is Catholocism the only religion or Church that opposes abortion?

Or are we to infer that justices must be atheists?

Or is a pro-choice denomination deemed therefore to be neutral.

How can either a believer or atheist rule ‘objectively’ on cases of State and Religion?

Someone call the logic police..


32 posted on 04/30/2007 9:58:45 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: LdSentinal

So we must only have secularists on the SCOTUS. What a bunch of crapola. I’m not Catholic but their decision was the right one whether they used religion or not, which I seriously doubt that they did. They used the Constitution which is against the secularists view.


33 posted on 04/30/2007 10:03:03 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: D-fendr

“How can either a believer or atheist rule ‘objectively’ on cases of State and Religion?”

Is it too late for the states to resume being laboratories of democracy? That would mean the Supremes objectively, regardless of their beliefs, understood what the Constitution means by delegating everything reserved to central government to the states.

At least that way, the juggling of beliefs would be done closer to the voter and, hopefully, the voter’s wishes.

But to answer my own question, thanks to Democrats and Republicans alike, federalism is dead. We’re on a one-way trip to ennervated statehouses and brogdingnagian federal govt.


34 posted on 04/30/2007 10:06:22 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: LdSentinal

How about “Atheist judges’ ruling influenced by their world view”.


35 posted on 04/30/2007 10:06:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for truth can know truth.)
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To: gcruse

Make that everything NOT reserved to central govt.


36 posted on 04/30/2007 10:08:02 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: little jeremiah

Where does the Constitution prohibit establishing a worldview?


37 posted on 04/30/2007 10:08:54 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse

good posts, good points.

Yes, we’ve gone from “the United States are..” to “the United States is..”


38 posted on 04/30/2007 10:17:46 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: LdSentinal

Is there a requirement in the Catholic religion that forces them to read the CONSTITUTION? It seems like they are the only ones that read it in this ruling.


39 posted on 04/30/2007 10:22:54 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free!)
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To: JRochelle

Did Ginsburg’s and Breyer’s Communist beliefs influence their voting?


40 posted on 04/30/2007 11:56:09 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild
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To: Vicomte13

...because the true religion (for the Leftist) is secularism. Deceitful to its core, it will not even acknowledge itself as a religion, hence the false “Church/State” dichotomy, and the twisting contortion of Jefferson’s words on the subject.


41 posted on 05/01/2007 12:19:33 AM PDT by Lexinom (DH08/FT08)
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To: LdSentinal

Then I guess that means that Cathoics are the only ones with morals because anyone that would vote for partial birth abortion is one sick dude with no morals what-so-ever.


42 posted on 05/01/2007 12:46:36 AM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: umgud

Rosie O’Mengele chooses not to see the brutality of this procedure.

That’s all I need to know about Rosie. Her fat mouth opinions are worthless.

Any QVC shoppers here? Rumour is she was supposed to be a guest selling a crafting kit of some sort in May, now postponed to December. Voice your opinion on their website if you are inclined.


43 posted on 05/01/2007 2:58:21 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: LdSentinal

“Did Justices’ Catholicism Play Part in Abortion Ruling?”

So what if it did? What would be wrong with that?

It the new Supreme Court Litmus test a refusal to fear God?


44 posted on 05/01/2007 4:38:45 AM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: LdSentinal

The Washington Post circulation down -3.5%.

Wonder why?


45 posted on 05/01/2007 4:47:27 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: LdSentinal

I certainly HOPE so!!! That’s what the Catholic Religion is...PRO_LIFE!


46 posted on 05/01/2007 4:48:43 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: umgud

You said, “You don’t have to be Catholic or even religious to see PBA as out and out murder. Even those who tolerate early abortion see PBA as murder.”

I’m Catholic and I agree with you. You don’t have to single out Catholics....I know people of the Lutheran faith who see abortion as immoral, and one of them is a Lutheran minister.


47 posted on 05/01/2007 4:55:34 AM PDT by Auntie Toots (The GOP is still the best we've got.....AND THAT'S THE TRUTH)
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To: LdSentinal

“Is it significant that the five Supreme Court justices who voted to uphold the federal ban on a controversial abortion procedure also happen to be the court’s Roman Catholics?”

I can play this game -

Is it significant that newspaper writers who support abortion also happen to be left wingers like Hitler?


48 posted on 05/01/2007 5:28:21 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Give Hillary a 50¢ coupon for Betty Crocker's devils food mix & tell her to go home and bake a cake)
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To: verum ago

Actually the “other guys” aren’t real Protestants or real Jews anyway.


49 posted on 05/01/2007 5:32:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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50 posted on 05/01/2007 6:25:07 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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