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Bay Area bridge collapse offers lessons
Associated Press ^ | 1 hour, 20 minutes ago | SCOTT LINDLAW,

Posted on 05/01/2007 5:57:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin

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"They just never foresaw one event that would encompass both."

Nonsense!

1 posted on 05/01/2007 5:57:24 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Lesson One: Fire melts steel.

(Got that, Rosie?)


2 posted on 05/01/2007 6:01:43 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: BenLurkin

March 2004: There was a bridge collapse very similar on I-95 in Connecticut. Tanker truck, fire, bridge collapse.

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t3161.html


3 posted on 05/01/2007 6:08:25 AM PDT by Betis70 (GO SHARKS)
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The US needs stricter laws concerning CDL drivers and Hazmat endorsements. I have a CDL and over 10 years i have hired many drivers, offhand about 1/4th have some criminal history or drug problems.

But more importantly its newly arrived foreigners wanting to drive tankers, school busses and long haul rigs. There was recent news even of a tour bus operation that was a front for drug smuggling, anything in commercial vehicles is an opening for illegal activities more so now than years past.

Not a jetliner but a single truck practically shut down or at least bottlenecked millions, who is to say they are not or could be herded into another area just for a preplanned attack? like detonatong a device on Bart under the bay?

Any incident like this becomes another page of a terrorists teaching manual.


4 posted on 05/01/2007 6:08:50 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: BenLurkin

in 1994 here on Long Island (NY), a doctor, who use to like to drive the HOV lane alone but with his large dog in the passenger seat, saw a cop up ahead and cut across several lanes to get out of the carpool lane. he drove right into a gasoline tanker which burst into flames under the overpass for the Sagtikos parkway. the doctor and dog died. the tanker driver got out in time. the overpass was so warped as to have to be condemned and rebuilt. the north bound overpass (separate) was divided for a short time for both directions untill an temporary span could be erected. It took a good 9 months or more before the section of span was completely rebuilt.


5 posted on 05/01/2007 6:09:58 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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They just never foresaw one event that would encompass both.

Sounds like it's time to find some new experts.
6 posted on 05/01/2007 6:10:15 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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Fire softens steel!? Apparently it can weaken it to the point of failure!!!

Well, I'm sure this is going to come as a huge surprise to one of our celebrity structural engineers, Ms. Rosie O'Donnell.

7 posted on 05/01/2007 6:11:31 AM PDT by John Valentine
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“Lesson One: Fire melts steel.

(Got that, Rosie?)”

The timing is suspicious. Just when when the Rosies of the world are talking up the fire can’t melt steel idea; what happens?

Has to be a Haliburton, Bush/Cheney, Reagan/Bush, Republican capitalist plot to throw the attention away from their 911 plot.

(For you liberals out there, what I just wrote was kooky satire, but many of your type actually believe stuff like that)

8 posted on 05/01/2007 6:14:17 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
This exact same scenario has happened elsewhere, and caused overpasses to collapse. If you told me you have a fuel truck burning under an overpass, I’d tell you to start buying cement. I don’t know if the locals held exercises for this or not, frankly, it’s not that big a deal. Your biggest problem, as far as response a recovery if the fire or explosion hazard (which firefighters can deal with), followed by traffic impact of the loss of road (which the article said they had practiced and planned for). Big mess, it’s going to cost a lot to replace everything. Traffic is going to be a real nightmare for a while (until they figure out how to reroute everyone, they don’t need to wait for the road to be rebuilt). This kind of thing happens every now and then.
9 posted on 05/01/2007 6:15:07 AM PDT by NYFriend
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To: Betis70
There was a bridge collapse very similar on I-95 in Connecticut

Of course here in Connectcut, we have bridges that just fall apart all by themselves - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mianus_River_Bridge

10 posted on 05/01/2007 6:20:13 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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Rosie would say the bridge collapse was a controlled-demolition... and that the tanker fire was just a diversion.
11 posted on 05/01/2007 6:26:02 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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Lesson One: Fire melts steel.

No she-ite.....I wonder why we've not heard Rosie 'O Blob comment about this????

12 posted on 05/01/2007 6:30:52 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Just the facts, ma'am)
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Nice to see the various security bureaucracies haven’t stock piled repair steel. So, a half a billion dollars is wasted in commuter labor time, each week. Maybe we should pay more taxes for these cann’t think out the box idiot experts. Of course it is kind of a self selection problem. What kind of people are attracted to, and find satisfaction, in slow, boring, dull, constant make work paper shuffling bureaucracies? What kind of people like being employed and working with dolts for decades?
13 posted on 05/01/2007 6:32:44 AM PDT by Leisler
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I’m going from memory here, but in the 1970’s when I was growing up in the Detroit Metro area, there was a rash of tanker fires on Detroit’s expressways. In Detroit, the expressways are built in a series of concrete lined trenches instead of being elevated.

Finally Detroit banned all hazardous cargo from those stretches of expressway because of all the expensive damage to the concrete retaining walls and overpasses.


14 posted on 05/01/2007 6:34:28 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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Just imagine Al Gore screaming about global warming.”8600 gallons of unleaded fuel,pollution and high temperature. We are domed” :-)))
15 posted on 05/01/2007 6:35:45 AM PDT by QQQQ
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We are domed” :-)))

I'm stuned...

16 posted on 05/01/2007 6:42:18 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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To: Betis70

Same on Rt 95 in Philly a few years back.


17 posted on 05/01/2007 6:44:03 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: BenLurkin

Wandered a mile through darkened streets of Oakland, and lived! That, in itself, is amazing.


18 posted on 05/01/2007 8:17:45 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee
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“After the crash, Mosqueda, 51, wandered more than a mile through darkened streets in Oakland with second-degree burns to a gas station and hailed a cab to take him to the emergency room, according to police and the taxi driver.”

Does anyone think this sounds strange? If I was the driver I would have waited for EMS. Why would you leave the scene...unless he was in shock? Does this all seem rather odd?


19 posted on 05/01/2007 8:20:31 AM PDT by mr_hammer (Show me just what liberalism brought that was new, and there you will find things evil & inhuman)
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The steel supporting the overpass turned pliable after the gasoline-fed fire below reached temperatures up to 2,000 degrees — more than four times as hot as the hottest conventional home oven.

Idiot AP science!

They don’t use units, and this comparison is meaningless. (unless perhaps if converted to degrees Kelvin.)

Just say “by comparison, the average home oven has a maximum temperature of 550F.” Or, “which is really, really hot.” Or, “steel melts at xxx F”?

20 posted on 05/01/2007 8:47:56 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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