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Scalia says judges shouldn't change Constitution
First Amendment Center ^ | 05/01/07

Posted on 05/02/2007 1:30:21 PM PDT by presidio9

If Americans want to secure new constitutional rights, they should look to the legislative branch, not the Supreme Court, Justice Antonin Scalia said last week.

“If you want new rights, create them by statute,” Scalia said April 27 in a speech at the University of Delaware. “If you want new constitutional rights, then you need to amend the Constitution.”

Defending his “originalist” approach to interpreting what the framers of the Constitution intended, Scalia said too many Americans, from the man in the street to academics and judges, mistakenly consider it to be a document that must evolve to meet the changing norms of society.

“The professorate, the bench and even the American people have all been seduced into believing in, and I hate the term, ‘a living Constitution,’” he said.

“The Constitution is not a living organism,” Scalia added. “It’s a legal document.”

Scalia said the Constitution was properly revered by many as “a rock to which society was safely moored” before changes began occurring under former Chief Justice Earl Warren.

Mocking the idea that the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment should be interpreted through “evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society,” Scalia warned that the flexibility that some desire in interpreting the Constitution could have unintended consequences.

“You can’t assume that it will always create new rights and not eliminate old ones,” he said.

“It’s hard to give a right to one person without affecting somebody else,” Scalia added, noting that a woman’s right to an abortion means the end of life for a fetus.

Outside the theater where Scalia spoke, handfuls of those on either side of the abortion debate staged silent demonstrations. They were joined by two individuals wearing orange jumpsuits and black hoods protesting the treatment of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay military base in Cuba.

Among those in the audience was Scalia’s son Matthew, who is an instructor in University of Delaware’s Department of Military Science.

Scalia also noted that the originalism that guides him and fellow conservative Justice Clarence Thomas does not always mean a conservative outcome.

“Originalism is a two-edge sword,” he said, noting that he cast the deciding vote in a ruling upholding flag-burning as a right of expression guaranteed by the First Amendment.

Scalia said the idea that Constitution should be subject to constant change is illegitimate, especially because there are no criteria for determining how it should change, and because the task is left to unelected judges who have no right to decide, for example, what evolving standards of decency are.

“Even if it is true, the Court shouldn’t be in the business. The Constitution should be amended across the street,” Scalia said, referring to Congress.

“I’d rather the people rewrite the Constitution rather than nine aristocrats do it, but ideally, it should be neither one,” he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: activistjudges; antoninscalia; constitution; scotus
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To: presidio9
I agree with justice Scalia completely, but, I must tell you, as I see my liberal counterparts destroying the nation with their rulings, it is hard for me to not fight back ruling in such a manner as to send the district back 100 years to the right.
21 posted on 05/02/2007 2:29:24 PM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: microgood

Scalia doesn’t seem to mind giving some wiggle room in the Constitution when it comes to the power of the federal government, but when a state wants to enforce its powers, or a person his rights, suddenly he (selectively) interprets it strictly. Just look at Gonzales v. Raich, where he completely ignored the ideas of state sovereignty and limited federal powers.

Thomas is, overall, becoming my favorite. And to think I didn’t like him at first.


22 posted on 05/02/2007 2:39:31 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Thomas is, overall, becoming my favorite. And to think I didn’t like him at first.

Me too. He is the most strict constitutionalist of them all.
23 posted on 05/02/2007 2:42:11 PM PDT by microgood
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To: DuncanWaring
I'm sure he understands it, but putting it into terms of God given rights would set off a huge firestorm, so he spoke in secular terms & then went on to give an example of the way a government given "right" infringes on the rights of another set of people.

All laws infringe on someone's rights in some way. The Constitution laid out some agreed upon basic rights which we (the government, the people) will work to favor for each other. Freedom of speech versus freedom from hearing "offensive" speech. The Constitution doesn't say our government can't search us or our home, but places rules on what the government needs to do in order to do so.

It's why "Justice" is shown holding a balance, because enforcement of all man made laws involve weighing opposing interests.

24 posted on 05/02/2007 2:46:02 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: microgood
Me too. He is the most strict constitutionalist of them all.

I can't decide whether Thomas got better, coming out of Scalia's shadow and into his own, or I just need to eat a big bunch of crow for my earlier broad criticism of him. A bit of both, I suppose.

BTW, it was FReepers who specifically pointed out some arguments from Thomas and helped me change my view. I love FR.

25 posted on 05/02/2007 2:46:53 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: presidio9

Uh HELLO !!! Shouldn’t? How about “judges CAN”T change the constitution”


26 posted on 05/02/2007 2:53:36 PM PDT by diverteach
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To: antiRepublicrat

Bingo! We have MANY rights, not just those listed in the Constitution. Basically, we have the right (liberty) to do what we want to do, as long as we respect the life rights and property of others. Too many conservatives don’t get this. It makes us look like authoritarians.


27 posted on 05/02/2007 2:54:06 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: TSchmereL

The Constitution is a living roll of toilet paper used by the left. Sick.


28 posted on 05/02/2007 2:55:51 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: antiRepublicrat
BTW, it was FReepers who specifically pointed out some arguments from Thomas and helped me change my view.

I was always impressed with his views on the Commerce Clause and his willing to buck the trend of accepting precedent, most of which I learned about on FR.
29 posted on 05/02/2007 2:56:42 PM PDT by microgood
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To: diverteach
Shouldn’t? How about “judges CAN”T change the constitution”

Good point. Since the Constitution forbids 'ex post facto laws', and any Judge never sees any case until it's 'ex post facto', then were a Judge to change the Constitution such a change would be ex post facto and, thus, ipso facto UN-Constitutional.

The only rational conclusion then, since some Judges HAVE changed the Constitution, is that the Constitution is no longer in force...null and void...entirely usurped from the People.

30 posted on 05/02/2007 3:24:15 PM PDT by O Neill (Aye, Katie Scarlett, the ONLY thing that lasts is the land...)
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To: presidio9
Amen to that.

I trust that the Founding Fathers had a greater sense of national sovereignty and citizen rights than do the current self-interested, self-absorbed, self-serving elected and appointed.

The Constitution spells out the path to change. Not McCain’s CFR that tries to infringe legislatively to limit the First Amendment — in a way that benefits McCain and other incumbents by making certain free speech actions criminal offenses.

It is the responsibility of the citizenry to be ever vigilent and hold politicos' feet to the fire and maintain OUR rights as citizens. Too many politicos would gladly infringe on and erase those rights legislatively.

31 posted on 05/02/2007 3:33:22 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: O Neill
You are correct....unfortunately
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1947 Everson vs. Board of Education.
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This was the beginning of the end.
32 posted on 05/02/2007 3:41:32 PM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (Liberals; People That are So Open minded Their Brains Have Fallen Out !)
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To: HaveHadEnough
we could do/change hypotheticals all night..

change "car lease" to "credit card"....most credit cards are variable rates...they change like the wind....a living contract...and we have no say in the changing rates.

the other side, just a bit different..try this on for size

my father leased a car when before i was born...the terms of the lease are the same for everybody...in fact everybody is covered under the same lease...the best lease of all-times
The terms of the lease state, you can have change, but only if enough of your fellow citizens want the same change.

Seems ok to me as we get the final say so.

33 posted on 05/02/2007 3:50:35 PM PDT by stylin19a (Bad golf shots come in groups of 3, a 4th bad shot is the start of the next group of 3.)
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To: TSchmereL
Why is this even debatable?

Exactly. Otherwise, you've got nine men in black robes who can dictate anything they wish, and our Republic is dead. Or to paraphrase Ann Coulter, think of how the liberals would feel if there were nine conservative justices dictating to liberals? They'd be ballistic.

34 posted on 05/02/2007 4:13:52 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: DuncanWaring

You said: One would think that this guy, of all people, would understand that new rights can’t be created.
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I could not disagree with you more. I don’t know that I support the addition of any rights, but they can be created in the law. Such rights are not natural rights, but they may be rights nonetheless.


35 posted on 05/02/2007 4:21:38 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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Ping!
36 posted on 05/02/2007 4:21:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, April 28, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: microgood

You said, in part: He even ruled once that a dog searching around the outside of a car was not a search of the car, taxing logic itself to its limits.
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A dog sniffing outside of a car is simply detecting an odor that has escaped the car. If the odor remained inside the car, the dog would never smell it. I would say that this is akin to a policeman at the front door of a house, seeing blood oozing out the door. Seeing that blood is not a search of the house, but the sight of that blood might provide the probable cause to search.


37 posted on 05/02/2007 4:25:40 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441
A dog sniffing outside of a car is simply detecting an odor that has escaped the car. If the odor remained inside the car, the dog would never smell it. I would say that this is akin to a policeman at the front door of a house, seeing blood oozing out the door. Seeing that blood is not a search of the house, but the sight of that blood might provide the probable cause to search.

But if a policeman is at someone's door or has pulled someone over it is probably for another reason. If a dog is sniffing around a car, the entire reason the dog is there in the first place is to perform a search so it is disingenuous to say the dog is not searching since that is its sole purpose of its existence at the scene.
38 posted on 05/02/2007 4:37:25 PM PDT by microgood
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To: stylin19a
Seems ok to me as we get the final say so.

You're right...analogies can be changed all night.

It has always given me a twinge of discomfort, however, that a strict majority of people must live with a constitution which they did not create and which they cannot change on their own. Rather, the majority must enlist a portion of the minority to create a super-majority to change the rules devised by long dead people.

In this, I must agree with Thomas Jefferson, who said that constitutions (and laws) should automatically expire, as repeal and expiration are not equivalent:

"Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be, indeed, if every form of government were so perfectly contrived, that the will of the majority could always be obtained, fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves; their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils, bribery corrupts them, personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents; and other impediments arise, so as to prove to every practical man, that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:459, Papers 15:396
39 posted on 05/02/2007 4:49:09 PM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: TSchmereL
Why is this even debatable?

Because of the Penumbra Doctrine.

40 posted on 05/02/2007 4:55:43 PM PDT by Polybius
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