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Latest Republican Candidate Polls Suggest that Giuliani's Lead is Fading Fast
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| May 06, 2007
Posted on 05/06/2007 8:54:22 AM PDT by jdm
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To: TomGuy
If McCains numbers are on the rise, and FThompson does jump in, will they split the vote and give the nomination to Rudy? or to Romney? Since Fred has considerd running, he has gone up in national polls at the expense of Rudy. I dont think he is likely to have much of a negative impact on McCain.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:24:55 AM PDT
by
Dave S
To: TLI
To: dirtboy
Fred has since voiced the opinion that CFR probably needs to be replaced with full disclosure. Unlike Rudy, who still like is.
When a politician change positions, the supporters call it 'growth and development'.
When a politician changes positions, the opposition calls it 'flipflopping.'
An honest change of opinion has to be proved, not just voiced. Otherwise, it smacks of hypocrisy in the same manner as Kerry's 'I voted for it before I voted against it'.
Thompson was chairman of the committee that wrote CFR, so his involvement ware more than just casting a vote. He was instrumental in the content and design of the bill. He has to offer a more convincing 'change of opinion' before I am convinced that this change of heart is anything more than a politicial move.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:25:07 AM PDT
by
TomGuy
To: dirtboy
Rudy couldnt even outpoll Hillary in the 2000 NY Senate race when he was mayor and she was a carpetbagger.
I have posted many times (and got skewered by the Rudy-bots, lol) that there was more to his withdrawing from the Senate race and facing Hillary than meets the eye, more than his medical condition. Kerry had a similar medical condition, yet just months later, Kerry managed to almost win the Presidency.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:28:19 AM PDT
by
TomGuy
To: TomGuy
When a politician changes positions, the opposition calls it 'flipflopping.'If a politician presents a good reason for the change, it's called common sense.
When Rudy straddles both sides of the debate over Roe, it shows he's not ready for prime time. Fred at least can present logical and coherent answers for what he's done in the past and what he believes now.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:29:09 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
(JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
To: Revel
Look, the MSM is going to lie and lie and lie. It’s what they always do about Republicans. No matter the nominee the big networks, CNN, PBS, and NPR will make the worst possible case for any Republican.
Remember, they MUST have Hillary.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:29:52 AM PDT
by
kjo
To: dirtboy
If a politician presents a good reason for the change, it's called common sense.
And always, the one you support has good sense, but the opposition never does.
LOL.
Why do 'blinders' come to mind?
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:31:03 AM PDT
by
TomGuy
To: TomGuy
Thompson was chairman of the committee that wrote CFR, so his involvement ware more than just casting a vote. He was instrumental in the content and design of the bill. He has to offer a more convincing 'change of opinion' before I am convinced that this change of heart is anything more than a politicial move. Fred still hasn't called CFR unconstitutional. He just says that it isn't working. So apparently he still doesn't get it.
Anyway, most of the candidates are poor on CFR.
Fred is still far and away a conservatives best shot.
To: lone star annie
He's explained why he voted for McCain-Feingold, and why it has not worked out like he expected that it would.
In addition, he supported McCain in 2000.
Well, the other front runner at the time was Bush, and Bush wasn't that well known, and didn't do the best of jobs in selling himself with his public speaking. I think that Bush turned out far better than McCain would have, but Bush still has his own flaws as well.
Those Senators who supported McCain such as Hagel and Limpey Graham have proven untrustworthy.
He has has his own voting record, and with the exception of McCain-Feingold, it is far more conservative and consistent than Hagel or Graham.
He has also shown more recently a willingness to speak out on tough issues, and an ability and willingness to take on the press.
This is an essential skill for a Republican presidential candidate in today's political environment. Bush has let the liberal press dictate their own view of the world and he seems unwilling to boldly contest it.
We need a President that is not only conservative, but one that can sell those conservative values to the people.
To: TomGuy
And always, the one you support has good sense, but the opposition never does.Once again, Fred has stated why he supported CFR in the past and why he thinks full disclosure might be the way to go now. Or should Fred just stick with something that clearly isn't working?
That's the point - in regards to abortion, the moral issues have remained the same. In the case of CFR, the legislation failed to work as intended. Fred wanted to try to do something about the legalized bribery of modern campaigns. Of course, the real solution is to shrink government - and at least Fred has tried to do that as well.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:34:02 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
(JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
To: KavMan
If Rudy is the only 1 who can beat Hillary or OSama then he better be the nominee! If Rudy were the only one who could beat the Democrats, that might make sense, but I doubt Rudy would do nearly as well against Hillary as would Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney. Almost anyone who would be more inclined to vote Democrat-Lite than Republican will be more inclined still to simply vote Democrat.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:36:57 AM PDT
by
supercat
(Sony delenda est.)
To: KavMan
If Rooty is the only one who can beat Hillary, why was he afraid to run against her in 2000 and 2006?
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:38:54 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: jdm
Among the major issues facing the Giuliani is that he has never run and won a major State race, running for mayor is not the same as running for a State wide office like a Governor or a Senator. Also Rudy will be cleaned by Hillary or Obama in Newyork, it is highly unlikely that he would win his homestate.
Compare this to Mccain, Romney, Thompson etc these guys have won State wide races and widely experienced in the political tactics and strategy needed to win elections.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:40:20 AM PDT
by
GregH
To: Cuttnhorse
He’s 64. Giuliani is 63. Romney is 60.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:48:28 AM PDT
by
Politicalmom
(Conservatives want freedom. Republicans want power.)
To: untrained skeptic
He's explained why he voted for McCain-Feingold, and why it has not worked out like he expected that it would.
Hillary voted for that war thing and it isn't working out like she expected it would.
So, you give Thompson a pass, but I doubt you would give Hillary one.
I fail to see the distinction.
Let's be consistent. If we skewer one pol for flipflopping and changing his mind, let's do it for all that flipflop for change their minds.
Thompson, to be a serious candidate, needs to be held accountable for his involvment in writing, voting for, and passing CFR. And he needs to give a fuller explanation of why he thinks it failed and what needs to be done to correct it.
[I'm not giving him a pass on this. I want a full explanation. This bill, CFR, is a direct infringement on the First Amendment. Thompson owes the voters a better explanation than 'oh sorry, it's not working the way we intended'.]
In the same respect, Rudy owns a full explanation of his position on abortion and on gun contol and his infringment on the Second Amendment.
Let's hold ALL their feet to the fire. We don't have to settle for---and end up with second-rate politicians.
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:52:36 AM PDT
by
TomGuy
To: jdm
Guiliani most certainly WILL drop as more conservatives realize how liberal he really is. The only problem is that it will take a long time to get the word out--as most aren't that interested yet in an election a year and a half away.
The more debates, the better--as the sooner that conservatives get the "WHOLE RUDY STORY" (and not just the celebrity version) the sooner that Rudy will drop in the polls.
Run, Fred, Run!!!
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posted on
05/06/2007 9:54:33 AM PDT
by
stockstrader
(We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one who will DIVIDE it!)
To: Revel
The msm will try to have a field day with any of the Republican candidates.
To: jdm
To: TLI
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posted on
05/06/2007 10:05:18 AM PDT
by
stephenjohnbanker
( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
To: TomGuy
So, you give Thompson a pass, but I doubt you would give Hillary one. I don't think Thompson has ever denied he voted for CFR. Hillary, however, has tried to state what she was really voting for was inspections, which obviously does not match her position at the time.
I fail to see the distinction.
Well, if something that obvious isn't clear to you on face then no amount of explaining is going to help you.
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