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Report: National Guard May Be Needed to Enforce Quarantine in Flu Pandemic
FOXNews.com ^ | May 10, 2007 | U/A

Posted on 05/10/2007 8:37:52 AM PDT by Gritty

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To: blam

Well, I’m doing some gardening today (and all summer looks like) which involves digging out sectors, renovating the soil, and refilling. Looks like graves at the moment.


61 posted on 05/10/2007 12:54:20 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: GOPJ

No need to worry, we have contracts with the Chinese to provide us with bulk shipmnets of the flu vaccine.


62 posted on 05/10/2007 12:56:00 PM PDT by kaboom
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To: mmichaels1970
"Which would mean that it is beyond debate."

Certainly not beyond debate, more like beyond our control.

63 posted on 05/10/2007 1:00:39 PM PDT by Radix ( "You can take the wisdom of this world, and give it to the ones who think it all ends here.")
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To: RightWhale
Fairbanks has no Interdivisional Box

Like I said, give your local EMA a call and ask about your local EOP. I'll bet they'll be more than happy to show you around it.

Better yet, see if they're taking volunteers.

You're a smart guy and I bet you could make some invaluable contributions.

Best,

L

64 posted on 05/10/2007 1:00:40 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing 'moderate' islam to 'extremist' islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
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To: kaboom
No need to worry, we have contracts with the Chinese to provide us with bulk shipmnets of the flu vaccine

In that case, we are doomed!

65 posted on 05/10/2007 1:00:40 PM PDT by Gritty (We are dealing with a highly lethal virus that no one has natural immunity to-Dr Gerberding,CDC)
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To: RC2
I’ve never had a flu shot but everyone I know that has had it, got sick. That tells me that the body is trying to get rid of that stuff.

I'm sorry, but that's just not possible. Unless every one of your friends is highly allergic to egg albumin and lied about it to the people giving the shot.

The flu shot doesn't cause the flu. And it doesn't cover every strain, just the predominant ones.

Additionally, it doesn't protect you against stomach "flu," which is a generic term used to describe a whole plethora of non-flu related vomiting symptoms.

Basically, it's a good idea to have the shot every year. You save yourself a week of flat on your back misery in most cases, and you save everyone else that you would have infected as you drudged in to work as a virus incubator and gave it to the whole office.
66 posted on 05/10/2007 1:07:45 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: RightWhale
"Well, I’m doing some gardening today (and all summer looks like) which involves digging out sectors, renovating the soil, and refilling."

I have silver dollar sized tomatoes already. It's 90+ degrees here presently...and, a good time to take a nap.

67 posted on 05/10/2007 1:08:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

The ground was frozen again this morning. Had to wait until 10 to continue digging. But, some of the trees are starting to bud. This is nothing like 3-4 years ago when we had Global Warming and it was 80 already.


68 posted on 05/10/2007 1:11:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Radix
Certainly not beyond debate, more like beyond our control.

Got it...This news seems kind of "global-warmingish" to me, so I figured I'd sound smart if I used some of their terms like "beyond debate" to go along with "consensus" and "3 million people could die". It just seemed like it would fit.
69 posted on 05/10/2007 1:14:54 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970
Well, it is nobody’s business, so why don’t I just spill the beans out here on Free Republic?

I have been semi, almost, marginally, kind of sort of, recruited to get involved as a First Responder for when the (”no question of a doubt it is coming!”) pandemic actually happens.

No $$$$, no help, no nothing, but maybe someday a real badge, and permission to run a few red lights. That part would be cool.

I’m sort of the mind set that the “sky is falling” position is just evidence that nothing ever really changes.

If a pandemic comes, and people start dying all over the place, you’ll either be dead, or immune to whatever it is.

At least I won’t have to worry about my Comcast Cable bill for a while.

70 posted on 05/10/2007 1:38:52 PM PDT by Radix ( "You can take the wisdom of this world, and give it to the ones who think it all ends here.")
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To: Radix

P.S. I have all due respect for those who may be charged with saving my life, or the lives of my family some day. I hope we can keep the issue of questioning science and the MSM’s doomsday reporting on it separate from our feelings towards the responders personally.


71 posted on 05/10/2007 2:10:01 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: dangerdoc
Nah, chicken littles are screaming that the sky is falling, as usual. It is rank superstition. Healthiest world ever etc. But some people need to get their eschatology one way or another. Personally, I know that men are mortal because I am not clinically insane, and no more wander around worrying about this sort of thing than about getting stuck by lightning.
72 posted on 05/10/2007 7:52:25 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Hoplite
No matter how much kleenex you have, it will not change by one minute the infinity of time in which you will already be dead.
73 posted on 05/10/2007 7:53:19 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Gritty
Meanwhile, we have China sending us poisonious Melamine "protein" to go into pet and animal food but FDA tells us "there's no reason to suspect that the 'additive' is harmful to humans."

Not for 3, 5, 10 years at least.....so they want us to spend time worrying about SARS, etc.

74 posted on 05/10/2007 7:58:25 PM PDT by zerosix
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To: All

If the pandemic is coming, the best thing to do is buy enough food for two weeks...put it on your credit card if you have to, get more shells for your shotgun and stay the hell home for the duration.

I dont have any intention of interacting with guardsmen.

Let us review,,,tamiflu, gallons of orange juice, soup and crackers, fruit, lots of tissues and shotgun shells in case someone tries to take your stuff.

And stay home..you cant get in trouble if you arent out there where trouble is happening.


75 posted on 05/10/2007 8:05:52 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: JasonC
The reason we are the healthiest world ever is based on the public health work of our forefathers.

Epidemics are part of the natural order, to ignore than is foolish. In the past, we could not do anything about it, now we can if we have the will and foresight.

A flu pandemic is not the end of the world, we as humanity have survived many in the past. However, it is not unreasonable to expect 10-30 million dead with a dramatic shutdown of the economy lasting 6 months. That is a huge price to pay for something we can potentially avoid.

At the risk of being called chicken little, I am a physician boarded by the American College of Preventive Medicine and I know enough to be very concerned about pandemic flu, multi drug resistant tuberculosis, resurgence of malaria, and a whole host of problems that are lurking.

The government has wasted billions of dollars on programs that have not helped us, but public hygiene (the old term) is a shining example of their success. Most of our increased life expectancy occurred before doctor had any effective medicines. It was caused by public health doctors getting to the root cause of disease and preventing it before it occurred. Safe water, insect control, sewage treatment, quarantines, etc. To walk away from that success, assuming that we are just healthier now is foolhardy.

76 posted on 05/11/2007 6:23:10 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: dangerdoc
Yes, it really is unreasonable, because nothing of the sort is going to happen.

This isn't 1919, massive populations have not just faced 5 years of severe deprivation, etc.

I teach complexity modeling for a living and I can tell you all the spreading models are utter balderdash.

Be as prepared as you like and nobody is walking away from anything. Someone is however engaging in typical irresponsible scaremongering unsupported by the slightest tincture of fact.

It is nonsense, been tried too many times, we know the drill.

77 posted on 05/11/2007 6:09:04 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC

I’ve been involved in public health for a decade. When I started in the field, a group of deranged environmentalists almost got a water chlorination ban passed in South America, we would have seen hundreds of thousands of prevenable deaths. No hyperbole, if you are familiar with computer modeling, combine third world plumbing and no chlorine in the water and calculate the results.

Similar people in the United States are trying to get childhood immunizations banned either outright or through the back door by suing manufacturers out of existence

It would take some bad luck to get the right combination of virulence and transmission to get a some of the numbers they come up with but even a minor pandemic would create economic chaos.

Before you go to bed, think about a rather small outbreak of a very-slowly-lethal virus and dificult-to-contract disease, which was only occuring in a small segment of the population in the late 1980’s. It could have been stopped with rather simple public health measures but nobody had the public will to deal with the problem.

Now picture something as easy to catch as a cold, with a 1% lethality rate in healthy persons. Not an unreasonable assumption, it could be worse. In our current political atmosphere, do you think that we could manage that situation. Do you think it is unreasonable for somebody to worry about it?


78 posted on 05/12/2007 9:00:14 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: bicyclerepair

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79 posted on 06/12/2007 3:13:55 PM PDT by dennisw (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction)
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