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Fight back against Christian Leaders who support Amnesty for illegal aliens!!!
E-mail From Roy Beck of NumbersUSA May 8, 2007 ^ | May 11, 2007 | Americaone

Posted on 05/11/2007 4:43:21 AM PDT by AmericaOne

Too many Christian Leaders are now pushing amnesty for illegal aliens!!!

Roy Beck of NumbersUSA sent out an e-mail titled "Are Christians for open borders?" on Tuesday, May 8, 2007. In this e-mail, Mr. Beck points out that far too many Christian leaders are now pushing amnesty for illegal aliens and putting illegal aliens ahead of Americans. To see Mr. Beck's e-mail, just scroll down to response #1 of this thread.

First, I ask that you do what Mr. Beck asked and contact your Senators and tell them you are a Christian and that you oppose amnesty (to see some talking points you can use, please check out Mr. Beck's e-mail).

Second, it is time that we Christians who oppose illegal alien amnesty or guest worker programs take the fight to these so-called "Christian" religious leaders who back amnesty for illegal aliens and open borders. These leaders may call it "comprehensive immigration reform", but we all know it really means amnesty for illegal aliens!!!

We can start fighting back by withholding our donations/offerings to those Christian church organizations that support illegal alien amnesty (comprehensive immigration reform), guest worker programs for illegal aliens and/or open borders! Also, while you are withholding your donations/offerings, contact these Christian church organizations and let them know that you are withholding your donations/offerings to them due to their support of illegal alien amnesty (comprehensive immigration reform), guest worker programs for illegal aliens and/or open borders!

In this world, money talks more than words and this is no different for Christian organizations/churches.

Besides, it makes no sense to donate some of your hard earned money to organizations that are willing to stab you, your families and your country in the back.

Below are links to some of the major Christian church organizations/denominations that Mr. Beck pointed out in his e-mail. I urge you to contact them (especially if you belong to one of them) and tell them that you will no longer donate to their organizations due to their support of illegal aliens amnesty, guest worker programs for illegal aliens and/or open borders. Tell them if they ever want to see your money again, they had better do a complete public reversal of their positions and publicly state they no longer support illegal alien amnesty, any guest worker programs and open borders.

(To find the contact information for the Christian church organizations listed below, look for the “Contact Us” or “Contact” link on the webpage.)

http://www.sbc.net/ - Southern Baptist Convention

http://www.catholic.org/ - Catholic Church

http://www.umc.org/ - United Methodist Church

http://www.elca.org/ - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

http://www.pcusa.org/ - Presbyterian Church U.S.A.

http://www.abc-usa.org/ - American Baptist Churches U.S.A.

If your church’s denomination/organization is not listed above, just go to Google or another search engine and type their name in the search box.

http://www.google.com - Google

The same goes for any evangelical Christian television or radio ministry that you watch or listen to. If they state or you otherwise find out that they are for illegal alien amnesty (comprehensive immigration reform), guest worker programs for illegal aliens and/or open borders, then contact them as well and tell them you will no longer donate to their ministries due to their support of illegal alien amnesty, etc.

To find the contact information for any evangelical Christian television or radio ministry, just go to Google or another search engine and type their name in the search box.

These Christian religious leaders claim the Christian thing to do is to support granting amnesty to illegal aliens and keep our borders open and also repeat the tired old rhetoric that "these illegal aliens are only doing the jobs that Americans will not do"!

Yet nowhere in the Bible does it say that we must give amnesty to illegal aliens and that it is okay to disobey laws that we don’t like in the nation we are living in or entering. Click here for “How does God view illegal immigration?”, a good article that spells out the fact that nowhere in the Bible does it say we must give amnesty to illegal aliens (For the record, I do disagree with the author’s suggestions for dealing with the illegal aliens already here in the last paragraph).

The Bible does mention that we as Christians should obey the laws of the land we are living in, for Jesus’ sake, something the illegal aliens and these Christians leaders conveniently ignore or don’t seem to grasp. Below is a search result from Google that lists several sites that amplify the point that nowhere in the Bible does it say we must, as Christians, give amnesty to illegal aliens.

Keywords: “Bible” + “illegal immigration”

How Christian is it of these "Christian" leaders to willingly put the welfare of illegal aliens over the welfare of their own flocks (Working and Middle Class American Christians)?

Also, How Christian is it of them to willingly put their flock (Working and Middle Class American Christians) in several types of danger?

These "leaders" are putting Working and Middle Class American Christians in danger of losing their jobs and putting their flock's families in a financial bind or outright poverty; of having their wages and standard of living significantly lowered; of creating increasingly large and unfair tax burdens that their flocks and their families are forced to pay for illegal alien healthcare and education; of destabilizing their flocks country and states; of their of exposing their flocks to crime and disease that they wouldn't be exposed to if our immigration laws had been forced, etc.

Before you send any money to any Christian church organization/denomination or evangelical Christian television/radio ministry, contact them and ask them if they support illegal alien amnesty (comprehensive immigration reform), guest worker programs for illegal aliens and/or open borders. If they say yes, then tell them you will not be sending them any money.

If your own local church is backing illegal alien amnesty and open borders in any way, then you should at the very least lower the amount of money you donate. Then tell your pastor/priest/minister that unless they withdraw their support for illegal alien amnesty and open borders, then your donations will cease and you will look for another church.

If you feel that withholding donations/offerings to pro-illegal alien Christian organizations is a good idea, then please forward this to other Christians you know who are opposed to illegal alien amnesty and open borders!!! Please feel free to change any of the wording or terminology used.


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   From:   Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA
Date:   Tuesday 8MAY07     11:45 p.m. EDT
 
Too many Christian leaders are now pushing amnesty for illegal aliens
 
DEAR FRIENDS,

I am sending this to all of you who have checked on your NumbersUSA Interest Survey that you are connected to a Christian denomination.

I really need your phone calls to your Senators today.

They need to hear an overwhelming voice of Christian constituents who believe it is moral for nations to have immigration laws.

The story below is like many that are running around the country suggesting that faithful Christians are compelled to support an amnesty for illegal aliens and a big increase in future foreign workers and their dependents.

These leaders in the new Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform are running expensive ad campaigns, telling Members of Congress that Christian teachings require the opposite of what you believe about the rule of law and protecting the most vulnerable members of our national community from disorder and injustice.

PLEASE CALL YOUR TWO SENATORS, identify yourself as a Christian (or with your denomination) and give a quick reason why you believe the moral path is to oppose any "comprehensive" immigration bill that includes allowing illegal aliens to remain in this country or increase overall immigration.

202-224-3121


I implore you to pick up the phone and make this phone call.

Without your phone call, the overwhelming Christian witness in Washington DC Wednesday and the rest of the week will be that Christian spirituality requires amnesty.

At some point, most of you are going to have to put some heat on the leaders of your own denomination and its support for amnesty. For now, though, you just need to make phone calls to drown out the national Christian leaders' call for amnesty.

SOME TALKING POINTS FOR YOUR PHONE CALL

1. Some ! of you m ay want to mention that you disagree with the new Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. But most of you will want to just ignore that and mainly leave the impression with staffers that most Christians take our view against rewarding illegal immigration. (BTW, that is true. Polls show that the more devout a Christian is -- regardless of denomination -- the more likely he/she wants immigration reduced and wants illegal aliens to leave.)

2. "As a Christian, I have compassion for the people who have broken our immigration laws. But I do not believe that illegal aliens and illegal businesses should be rewarded. Illegal aliens should be treated humanely as they are barred from jobs and compelled to go home."

3. "I am a Christian who believes that the stranger in our midst should be treated humanely. But if those strangers have entered this country illegally, they should be humanely caused to go back home."

4. "The Senator's decision on how to deal with immigration is a profoundly moral one. As a (name denomination), I believe the moral path is to act for economic justice and protect vulnerable American workers, their families and their communities from unfair competition of foreign workers. We need reductions in immigration. And we need for the illegal foreign workers to go back home."

5. "The Bible constantly shows that the main purpose of government is to provide for order and for justice. Immigration laws provide for an order that makes possible justice for workers. Without fully enforced immigration laws, the most vulnerable members of our own national community would see their wages and working conditions plummet."

6. "Mercy is something that primarily should be extended by an individual -- not by a government. The granting of mercy to some can mean injustice to others. Granting mercy to an illegal alien creates injustice for the American worker whose job was taken by the illegal alien or whose wages were reduced because of the illegal alien."!

See more ethical discussion on this page:
http://numbersusa.com/about/ethics.html

A number of other stories have been emphasizing the growing lobbying for a comprehensive amnesty from:
  • SOUTHERN BAPTISTS -- Those of you who are part of the nation's second largest religious group must be horrified to know that about the only voice from your denomination on immigration is a pro-amnesty one. Dr. Richard Land continually has made public appearances in favor of comprehensive amnesty solutions. See the Baptist Press sotry below at how your Baptist schools and media are promoting compassion for law-breaking corporations and foreign workers over compassion for vulnerable American workers and communities.
  • CATHOLICS -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has become an incredibly aggressive ally of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in arguing for massive new flows of foreign workers and forgiving outlaw businesses for having illegally hired foreign workers instead of paying better wages to American workers. Those of you in this largest of U.S. religious groups have a terrible situation in which you often are confronted in homilies and in literature at your places of worship with calls for you to join int he advocacy for illegal immigration.
  • UNITED METHODISTS -- The nation's third largest religious group (to which I belong) is seeing more and more of its bishops join the Catholic bishops' advocacy for larger foreign worker flows. The church's Washington office is becoming one of the most outspoken in labeling our views of protecting the environment, American workers and individual liberty as unchristian.
  • LUTHERANS -- The largest of the Lutheran demonations is probably the most aggressive of all religious groups in pushing the open borders agenda, and has been for many years.
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  • QUAKERS -- Some of your leaders have for years been at the heart breaking laws while aiding and abbetting the illegal trafficking of humans for all kinds of purposes, but mainly for helping outlaw corporations avoid improving their working conditions for their labor force.
  • PRESBYTERIANS -- Some of your national leaders are driving this new comprehensive amnesty coalition.
  • AMERICAN BAPTISTS -- Same as the Presbyterians.
  • MANY EVANGELICAL LEADERS -- More and more nationally known evangelical leaders are joining the comprehensive amnesty cry. Those of you who attend evangelical churches should not assume that your leaders are not joining the amnesty movement. You may want to talk to your own pastors to be sure.

    Christians eye immigration reform
    The Washington Times
    May 8, 2007

    By Sean Lengell

    A new Christian group touting liberal immigration reform has begun an extensive nationwide advertising campaign, days before Capitol Hill lawmakers are expected to begin debate on proposed changes to U.S. immigration laws. Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, a collection of more than 100 evangelical, mainline Protestant, Roman Catholic, Hispanic and black religious and social-service groups and activists, began running full-page advertisements in Roll Call and Congress Daily...

    The group says it initially will focus its efforts in five states -- Florida, Arizona, Kansas, Ohio and Pennsylvania -- and will spread its message through local newspaper and radio advertisements, letter-writing to lawmakers and newspapers, telephone calls and public meetings. The group promises hundreds of lobbying visits to members of Congress by the August recess.

    "...the Bible tells us again and again about the need to care for the stranger in our midst," said Jim Wallis, founder and presiden! t of Soj ourners, an evangelical Christian ministry and key member of the coalition.

    The coalition's platform, which includes an option for illegal residents to become citizens and a guest-worker program that includes "legal avenues" for workers to bring their families, is similar to legislation backed by Democrats...

    The group -- which includes the United Methodist Church's General Board of Church and Society, the Presbyterian Church USA's Washington office, National Ministries of the American Baptist Churches USA and Network, a national Catholic social-justice lobby -- says it isn't advocating for a total open-border policy...

    The group declined to say how much the campaign will cost...

    "As Americans, we must reject xenophobia and discrimination," said Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. "At the end of the day, how we deal with immigrants is a diagnostic of the spiritual health of our nation."


    Anti-immigrant rhetoric not new, historians say

    By Ken Camp
    Associated Baptist Press

    WINSTON-SALEM - If American Protestants today have trouble knowing how to accept and assimilate a new wave of immigrants, they can at least take comfort in knowing their forebears wrestled with similar issues.

    "Americans have always struggled with immigrants. Non-conformist immigrants like Quakers and Baptists were exiled and sent back to England or the Caribbean by the colonial religious establishment," church historian Bill Leonard said. "Roger Williams (founder of the first Baptist church in the colonies) was an unacceptable immigrant."

    Years later, anti-Catholic prejudice fueled a "terrible animosity" among the dominant Protestant culture toward an influx of Irish, Italian and eastern European immigrants, said Leonard, dean of the Wake Forest University Divinity School in Winston-Salem.

    Protest! ants oft en stereotyped Irish Catholics, in particular, as "lazy, clannish people who went to mass on Sunday morning and drank beer all Sunday afternoon," he said. And the resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan coincided with the growth of the immigrant population in the United States, Leonard added.

    "We must not forget that the KKK was not simply anti-black. It was also anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish and made a lot out of their immigrant status," he said.

    But anti-Catholic sentiment was not confined to the radical fringe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, historian Barry Hankins added.

    "You didn't have to be in a Klan meeting to hear anti-Catholic rhetoric. In polite Protestant circles - whether evangelical or liberal - anti-Catholic statements were viewed as acceptable and above board," said Hankins, professor of history and church-state studies at Baylor University.

    To a large degree, Baptists and other Protestants sometimes disguised their anti-Catholicism by couching it in arguments regarding the separation of church and state, Leonard said.

    "You could make a case that Baptists in the South in the early 20th century gave greater attention to separation of church and state language and issues because they feared the numbers of Catholic immigrants and their desire to have state funds for parochial schools," he said.

    Like those earlier waves of immigrants, the current influx of Hispanics from Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America includes large numbers of Catholics. But today, resistance to immigrants seems to stem less from their religious background and more from issues of language and economics.

    "One hundred to 150 years ago, it was assumed that one would want to learn English and, in fact, would have to learn English to become assimilated as an American," Hankins said. But the United States today - particularly in the Southwest - has moved toward a bilingual society, Hankins and Le! onard no ted.

    What's more, Roman Catholic attitudes toward immigrants have varied across the years, Leonard said.

    "Generally, Catholic churches have been welcoming places, as have synagogues," he said. With the shortage of priests in the Roman Catholic Church now, however, some parishes are struggling to assimilate new Spanish-speaking members, and they are unsure how to respond to the growing number of Pentecostal and charismatic Hispanic immigrants, Leonard said.

    Generally, regardless of their feelings about immigration as a political issue, Baptists have viewed immigrants as opportunities for evangelism, Leonard and Hankins said.

    "The Baptist response typically has been to reach out and do what used to be called 'home missions' among immigrant communities," Hankins said.

    Baptists generally have been successful in starting churches for distinctive ethnic and language groups, he said. But their track record at assimilating immigrants into established churches has been far from exemplary.

    Baptists believe the Bible, which mandates love for neighbors. But when the stranger speaks a different language and comes from an unfamiliar culture, fear of the unknown presents a barrier to ministry - a barrier that becomes greater when many immigrants lack legal documentation.

    "It's hard to live out biblical principles. Therein lies the struggle," said Jon Singletary, director of the Center for Family and Community Ministries at Baylor University in Waco, Texas.

    Even so, Singletary remains optimistic. Working with the Baptist General Convention of Texas Immigration Services Network, he has seen churches in Waco begin to "walk alongside people, including the strangers among us."

    Tihara Vargas, a graduate student in Baylor's School of Social Work and Truett Theological Seminary, works with the network to dispel stereotypes about undocumented workers and encourage churches to see the! ir respo nsibility to immigrants, regardless of their legal status.

    "We try to help people get the documentation they need to come under the protection of the law and into compliance with the law," she said.

    She points to Jesus' parable about the Good Samaritan as motivation for ministry.

    "If Jesus were telling the story today, he'd probably talk about a migrant Mexican worker instead of a Samaritan," Vargas said.

Friends, the open-borders movement has thoroughly infiltrated the national offices of most large Christian denominations.

I imagine that most of the church leaders taking these stands sincerely believe they are doing the right thing by being compassionate to all foreign workers who want to take American jobs. But the consequences of their actions is profoundly immoral. They fail to look on the faces of the poor of their own communities. While touting racial justice, they ignore the faces of 40% of Black American men who do NOT have a job. They ignore the faces of the 23 million less-educated Americans of all races who do NOT have a job.

These church leaders are eager to show their compassion while forcing American workers and families to pay for their largess. While these church leaders beat their chests about how much more moral they are than the majority of Christians in the pews, they callously give away the jobs of vulnerable Americans and collapse the wages in one occupation after another by their advocacy of massive foreign labor.

As a life-long committed churchman and Christian, I feel these religious leaders are bringing shame on the Gospel as they have compromised their principles to collude with today's modern Robber Barons.

Please make sure you give your two Senators a different view of the practice of Christian faith.

Remember as you call to be courteous and show a Christ-like spirit toward those staffers taking your message,

-- ROY!

1 posted on 05/11/2007 4:43:23 AM PDT by AmericaOne
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To: AmericaOne

Start yanking tax exemptions and they will fall in line.


2 posted on 05/11/2007 4:47:13 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: AmericaOne
How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico
3 posted on 05/11/2007 4:59:41 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: AmericaOne

One church not mentioned in the original article is United Church of Christ. They are aligned with the ELCA, Presbyterians, and a spokesperson for that organization was on O’Reilly last night defending this effort. I was also disappointed with O’Reilly’s points and opinions.


4 posted on 05/11/2007 5:14:23 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: AmericaOne

IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

RICO — Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, AND CAN INCLUDE NONPROFIT ASSOCIATIONS.


5 posted on 05/11/2007 5:51:27 AM PDT by BGHater (“Every little bit of good I may do, let me do it now for I may not come this way again.”)
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To: AmericaOne

Tihara Vargas, a graduate student in Baylor’s School of “Social Work and Truett Theological Seminary, works with the network to dispel stereotypes about undocumented workers and encourage churches to see the! ir respo nsibility to immigrants, regardless of their legal status.
“We try to help people get the documentation they need to come under the protection of the law and into compliance with the law,” she said. She points to Jesus’ parable about the Good Samaritan as motivation for ministry. “If Jesus were telling the story today, he’d probably talk about a migrant Mexican worker instead of a Samaritan,” Vargas said”
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Here we go...somebody who never actually READS the Bible for herself, but uses misquoted snatches of Scripture as a liberal talking point to whip conservatives with...

It’s amazing how people who hate God, will attempt use His words against the very ones who believe and honor Jesus as Lord and Savior..

The whole verse and the verses before and after need to be read and understood if someone is going to use them to explain an opinion or belief...

The story of the Good Samaritan has nothing to do with immigration illegal or not..

The Good Samaritan was the one helping...not the one in need..

And the Good Samaritan was on a thoroughfare used by everyone...not in a country where he had invaded without permission..


6 posted on 05/11/2007 6:02:39 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; HiJinx; gubamyster

Watch this!

Kindergarten Kids (aka jackpot babies who will soon vote!!) confront the minutemen chanting “Mexico! Mexico!”

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z7YrkpKNB7M


7 posted on 05/11/2007 8:04:34 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AmericaOne

B U M P


8 posted on 05/11/2007 8:13:34 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


9 posted on 05/11/2007 8:32:28 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: AmericaOne

BUMP


10 posted on 05/11/2007 8:48:30 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: AmericaOne
From the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
http://www.usccb.org/mrs/amrican.shtml

"Earned legalization. The centerpiece is the earned legalization program, or “path to citizenship,” for approximately 12 million undocumented residents. Proposals in Congress require at least six years of employment, the payment of a fine and any back taxes owed, and English instruction—all before workers (and their families) can become eligible for permanent residency. Those eligible would then have to go to the end of the application line, behind all who are already waiting. It would ultimately take 11 to 13 years for an eligible individual to become a U.S. citizen. Such a program is hardly a “giveaway,” which is how Webster’s dictionary defines amnesty.

An earned legalization policy could achieve several objectives. By giving legal status to undocumented workers, it would stabilize the workforce in many industries and increase wages for all those workers. By ensuring that undocumented parents are not removed from their U.S. citizen children, it could promote family unity. By requiring the undocumented population to come out of the shadows and identify themselves to the government, it would enhance national security."

I hate to say it, but little tweaks here and there and you got amnesty.

11 posted on 05/11/2007 8:55:21 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: AmericaOne

Don’t waste time with Quakers.

Quakers are also anti-gun, pro-gay and oppose war even in self-defence. The current Quakers are closer to the Unitarians in their religious beliefs than were their antecedents - not they were any better.

Quakers refused to sell food or clothing to American patriots in the Revolution but sold the same materials to the British and they “banned” members like Nathaniel Greene who took up arms to defend America.


12 posted on 05/11/2007 9:01:29 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: gubamyster

Thanks very much for the ping. Anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-individual, anti-life collectives are likely to join forces.


13 posted on 05/11/2007 9:14:38 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: AmericaOne

Great post. My pastor has spoken out against illegal immigration. He used it as an example of how “lawlessness will increase” in the last days, as predicted in the Bible.


14 posted on 05/11/2007 10:20:27 AM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: siunevada
Thanks for the link. A very good article. I just bookmarked it.
15 posted on 05/11/2007 5:58:00 PM PDT by AmericaOne
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To: bcsco
One church not mentioned in the original article is United Church of Christ.

Thanks for the info. I'll add it to my list of pro-illegal alien churches.

16 posted on 05/11/2007 6:01:16 PM PDT by AmericaOne
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To: BGHater
BTTT

Great post. Thanks for passing on this info.

It looks like it will take private citizens/groups to file civil RICO lawsuits against employers and others aiding and abetting illegal aliens, hopefully making it much too costly for these scumbags to hire illegals. We know the Feds will do nothing to stop this invasion.

17 posted on 05/11/2007 6:08:40 PM PDT by AmericaOne
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To: Tennessee Nana
Here we go...somebody who never actually READS the Bible for herself, but uses misquoted snatches of Scripture as a liberal talking point to whip conservatives with...

I couldn't have said it better myself.

18 posted on 05/11/2007 6:10:31 PM PDT by AmericaOne
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To: ZULU
Don’t waste time with Quakers.

I won't. Thanks for the info.

19 posted on 05/11/2007 6:17:17 PM PDT by AmericaOne
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To: Nea Wood
Great post. My pastor has spoken out against illegal immigration. He used it as an example of how “lawlessness will increase” in the last days, as predicted in the Bible.

You are blessed to have such a great pastor.

20 posted on 05/11/2007 6:18:47 PM PDT by AmericaOne
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