Skip to comments.Docs speak out about abortion
Posted on 05/13/2007 4:59:06 PM PDT by buzzyboop
Canada, which reputedly provides the most open legal access to abortion in the western world, doesn't provide access enough, said an abortion rights group last week.
Many women can't get abortions at all, or are subjected to long delays. The group's solution: Require doctors by law to perform abortions whether they like it or not.
This demand, made upon the Canadian Medical Association by Vicki Saporta, president and CEO of the National Abortion Federation, inadvertently disclosed a curious fact. Though abortion is technically legal in Canada up to the moment of birth, so many doctors refuse to do it that access to it is effectually restricted.
Some doctors reject abortion on purely professional grounds. Medicine is about healing sick people and pregnancy isn't a sickness.
Others regard as morally repugnant the forcible extinction of a human life.
Under CMA rules, a doctor need neither perform an abortion nor direct a patient to an abortion-provider.
Only 15% of hospitals provide the service and that percentage is declining.
Physicians, says Saporta, must put their patients' interest ahead of "their own religious and moral convictions."
(Excerpt) Read more at calsun.canoe.ca ...
Does Saporta think they are slaves? Hmph!
Rudy will fix this. Can’t have any woman denied her “choice” because of someone’s moral tastes, now can we?
Go ahead you morons. When doctors of conscience refuse and you send them to prison or they quit practicing, what are you going to do with your already overtaxed, understaffed and lousy system of health care?
Canada - where the abortions are free, but the waiting list is 12 months.
I saw this some time ago on FR, but I can’t remember who to give credit to. It seems that the joke is close to the truth.
Prayers for the unborn.
Have convicted killers do it...They might even like being gainfully employed.
I believe the same is true here. Most docs are not killers.
Not only in Canada, but in Britain, where the overwhelming majority of physicians will not perform abortions.
When someone loses power they grasp at straws.
Couldn’t help but throw Rudy in. Just flipped on the TV at the gym and there he was, grinning from ear to ear as he told Chris Wallace about his moral convictions regarding abortion—which, frankly, make even Vicki Saporta’s seem reasonable and humane.
interesting stat, however. just when I thought Ikea was the worst thing that ever happened to furniture...
thanks for not chopping my head off.
LOL! I read the IKEA thread earlier. I spent about 5 seconds trying to figure out how the two threads were related!
Thanks for the unintended humor!
Physicians in America will be required by law to perform abortions if liberals get their way. Those who don’t will be dropped by insurance companies and the new liberal national healthcare.
In essence, if you don’t do what the government healthcare system demands, you will no longer receive reimbursement for any of your procedures.
Result: Many good physicians will switch to other professions and drop the practice of medicine altogether. It has already begun.
Ms. Saporta: Stick it where the sun don’t shine, witch.
It does seem to be "all Rudy, all the time" around here anymore, does't it?
I wish he'd fade away quickly. If just to reduce the number of Rudy threads around here.
I think a freeper straw poll would have hillary clearly in the lead.
Pretty dang depressing, if true. Can you document that? (I'm not disputing you, I'd just like to know more about it.)
On a more cheerful note, 87% of the counties in the USA have not one doctor willing to do abortions.
And the average age of abortionists in the USA is over 50; and when they retire they are, by and large, not being replaced.
Where's all this conscience coming from?
To an idealistic young doctor, abortion has little appealit's fundamentally a destructive operation, offering little professional challenge, and no ongoing doctor-patient relationship. In addition, other doctors hold abortion providers in low esteem. Warren Hern, an abortion specialist in Boulder, Colorado, complains that his fellow providers "are treated as a pariah by the medical community. At best, we are tolerated." In 1993, the controversial Project Choice survey polled almost a thousand abortion providers; 69 percent said their profession was "not respected in the medical community."
Well, golly. Maybe it's because they have such suboptimal outcomes. Almost every operation, it's one wounded, one dead.
Physicians caring for pregnant women have two patients, the mother and the baby. I don't believe Ms. Saporta really cares about either patient.
“Pretty dang depressing, if true. Can you document that? (I’m not disputing you, I’d just like to know more about it.)”
Look at Medicare. I live in a small town with a shortage of doctors. The best ones refuse to accept new patients if they’re on Medicare; they don’t want a clientele of demanding old people who pay the lowest fees. Also, many HMO’s do not offer coverage here because the low population size makes in unprofitable. Hence, no doctors will come to practice here, they just can’t make money.
Then there is the other side of the coin, Medicare, not doctors, deciding what should be covered and what not. They won’t pay for a Naturopath, but they will a physical therapist, but only to a limited amount per year.
My neighbor, who is a physical therapist, has just decided to accept only “private practice” patients and not bill ANY insurance at all. She is not sure if she will get enough patients this way, so is also starting her own Ebay business in case she needs to close her medical office!
This does not have anything to do with abortion, but my point is in some ways practicing medicine is being made unappealing by both the government (Medicare) and HMO’s.
Compare this to the North Carolina doctors who refuse and threaten to blacklist any physician who takes part in a lawful execution. Their excuse is it violate their oath. Abortion violating any oaths, huh doctors?
Expect for the pesky fact that the Florida Board of Medicine would likely not grant licenses to these physicians. It is hard as heck to gdet a medical license in this state, and the board does not view transplants who are down here 3 months at a time kindly.
They're just exercising their "right to choose." Deal with it, lady.
“They’re just exercising their “right to choose.” Deal with it, lady.”
Exactly! It would be a huge blow to lose the privilege to practice medicine, but I would never let any government force me to do something that was against my conscience. It’s hard enough in life to do the right things and make the right decisions each day, and to have added to that struggle coercive pressure by the government to do what you don’t believe in is reprehensible.
Wow. Strong, assertive language. Thats good.
At what price would you start murdering innocent babies?
Me? Zip. Nada. Never.
I think you may have missed his point.
Guess this "group" will have to do its own surgeries and heal its own illnesses then, as doctors will drop out of the profession in droves.
I was referring to the reason Canadian doctors go to Florida. The primary reason is the way they are paid, effectively they have a salary cap and they reach that in about 9 months. If they treat any more patients they sort of work for free the rest of the year, so, many vacation in Florida till after the New Year and then go back to work. Also, Florida is a great place to vacation in winter. I didn't intend to represent that Canadian doctors would try to work in Florida three months of each year. I represented that possibly they would permanently emigrate and practice in the entire USA and other attractive nations.