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Docs speak out about abortion
Calgary Sun ^ | May 13, 2007 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 05/13/2007 4:59:06 PM PDT by buzzyboop

Canada, which reputedly provides the most open legal access to abortion in the western world, doesn't provide access enough, said an abortion rights group last week.

Many women can't get abortions at all, or are subjected to long delays. The group's solution: Require doctors by law to perform abortions whether they like it or not.

This demand, made upon the Canadian Medical Association by Vicki Saporta, president and CEO of the National Abortion Federation, inadvertently disclosed a curious fact. Though abortion is technically legal in Canada up to the moment of birth, so many doctors refuse to do it that access to it is effectually restricted.

Some doctors reject abortion on purely professional grounds. Medicine is about healing sick people and pregnancy isn't a sickness.

Others regard as morally repugnant the forcible extinction of a human life.

Under CMA rules, a doctor need neither perform an abortion nor direct a patient to an abortion-provider.

Only 15% of hospitals provide the service and that percentage is declining.

Physicians, says Saporta, must put their patients' interest ahead of "their own religious and moral convictions."

(Excerpt) Read more at calsun.canoe.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abortion; cma; cultureofdeath; doctors; moralabsolutes
Not only in Canada, but in Britain, where the overwhelming majority of physicians will not perform abortions.
1 posted on 05/13/2007 4:59:10 PM PDT by buzzyboop
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To: buzzyboop
Physicians, says Saporta, must put their patients' interest ahead of "their own religious and moral convictions."

Does Saporta think they are slaves? Hmph!

2 posted on 05/13/2007 5:01:00 PM PDT by LibKill ("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
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To: buzzyboop

Rudy will fix this. Can’t have any woman denied her “choice” because of someone’s moral tastes, now can we?


3 posted on 05/13/2007 5:01:36 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: buzzyboop

Go ahead you morons. When doctors of conscience refuse and you send them to prison or they quit practicing, what are you going to do with your already overtaxed, understaffed and lousy system of health care?


4 posted on 05/13/2007 5:02:21 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Current tagline banned under hate speech laws.)
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To: buzzyboop

Canada - where the abortions are free, but the waiting list is 12 months.

I saw this some time ago on FR, but I can’t remember who to give credit to. It seems that the joke is close to the truth.


5 posted on 05/13/2007 5:05:43 PM PDT by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: madprof98
rudy police out in full force. any and every thread fair game. even one about Canada.
6 posted on 05/13/2007 5:07:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: buzzyboop

Prayers for the unborn.


7 posted on 05/13/2007 5:10:17 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (Life time member of the VRWC.)
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To: buzzyboop
How about we let people who don’t mind taking a life doing the abortions.

Have convicted killers do it...They might even like being gainfully employed.

8 posted on 05/13/2007 5:10:27 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: buzzyboop
It has been estimated that one in ten babies in Europe is today conceived in an Ikea bed.

I believe the same is true here. Most docs are not killers.

9 posted on 05/13/2007 5:11:03 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx
Oops. Disregard the Ikea post. Another thread. I was referencing this:

Not only in Canada, but in Britain, where the overwhelming majority of physicians will not perform abortions.

10 posted on 05/13/2007 5:12:39 PM PDT by sphinx
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When someone loses power they grasp at straws.


11 posted on 05/13/2007 5:13:00 PM PDT by dellbabe68
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To: the invisib1e hand

Couldn’t help but throw Rudy in. Just flipped on the TV at the gym and there he was, grinning from ear to ear as he told Chris Wallace about his moral convictions regarding abortion—which, frankly, make even Vicki Saporta’s seem reasonable and humane.


12 posted on 05/13/2007 5:16:47 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: sphinx

interesting stat, however. just when I thought Ikea was the worst thing that ever happened to furniture...


13 posted on 05/13/2007 5:19:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: madprof98

thanks for not chopping my head off.


14 posted on 05/13/2007 5:19:42 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: sphinx

LOL! I read the IKEA thread earlier. I spent about 5 seconds trying to figure out how the two threads were related!

Thanks for the unintended humor!


15 posted on 05/13/2007 5:22:42 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: buzzyboop

Physicians in America will be required by law to perform abortions if liberals get their way. Those who don’t will be dropped by insurance companies and the new liberal national healthcare.

In essence, if you don’t do what the government healthcare system demands, you will no longer receive reimbursement for any of your procedures.

Result: Many good physicians will switch to other professions and drop the practice of medicine altogether. It has already begun.


16 posted on 05/13/2007 5:32:54 PM PDT by doc maverick
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To: everyone

Ms. Saporta: Stick it where the sun don’t shine, witch.


17 posted on 05/13/2007 5:33:10 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: the invisib1e hand
rudy police out in full force. any and every thread fair game. even one about Canada

It does seem to be "all Rudy, all the time" around here anymore, does't it?

I wish he'd fade away quickly. If just to reduce the number of Rudy threads around here.

18 posted on 05/13/2007 5:38:21 PM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB
It does seem to be "all Rudy, all the time" around here anymore, does't it?

I think a freeper straw poll would have hillary clearly in the lead.

19 posted on 05/13/2007 5:39:59 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: doc maverick
"In essence, if you don’t do what the government healthcare system demands, you will no longer receive reimbursement for any of your procedures.... Result: Many good physicians will ... drop the practice of medicine altogether. It has already begun.

Pretty dang depressing, if true. Can you document that? (I'm not disputing you, I'd just like to know more about it.)

On a more cheerful note, 87% of the counties in the USA have not one doctor willing to do abortions.

And the average age of abortionists in the USA is over 50; and when they retire they are, by and large, not being replaced.

Where's all this conscience coming from?

To an idealistic young doctor, abortion has little appeal—it's fundamentally a destructive operation, offering little professional challenge, and no ongoing doctor-patient relationship. In addition, other doctors hold abortion providers in low esteem. Warren Hern, an abortion specialist in Boulder, Colorado, complains that his fellow providers "are treated as a pariah by the medical community. At best, we are tolerated." In 1993, the controversial Project Choice survey polled almost a thousand abortion providers; 69 percent said their profession was "not respected in the medical community."

Well, golly. Maybe it's because they have such suboptimal outcomes. Almost every operation, it's one wounded, one dead.

20 posted on 05/13/2007 5:42:33 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Whatever things are true, whatever are noble, just, pure, lovely--- brethren, think on these things.)
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To: buzzyboop
Wow, when we eliminate the Dr’s with a conscience...what will be left...Dr’s willing to kill. Hmmm just the Doc I want doing my surgery.
21 posted on 05/13/2007 5:47:12 PM PDT by flipper999 (tag you are it.)
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To: buzzyboop
Physicians, says Saporta, must put their patients' interest ahead of "their own religious and moral convictions."

Physicians caring for pregnant women have two patients, the mother and the baby. I don't believe Ms. Saporta really cares about either patient.

22 posted on 05/13/2007 5:53:24 PM PDT by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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To: buzzyboop
This will have unintended consequences. Canadian doctors can find employment in a host of medical fields outside Canada. Many vacation in Florida the last three months of each year. They just might stay here.
23 posted on 05/13/2007 6:01:17 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Zimbabwe, leftist success story.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Pretty dang depressing, if true. Can you document that? (I’m not disputing you, I’d just like to know more about it.)”

Look at Medicare. I live in a small town with a shortage of doctors. The best ones refuse to accept new patients if they’re on Medicare; they don’t want a clientele of demanding old people who pay the lowest fees. Also, many HMO’s do not offer coverage here because the low population size makes in unprofitable. Hence, no doctors will come to practice here, they just can’t make money.

Then there is the other side of the coin, Medicare, not doctors, deciding what should be covered and what not. They won’t pay for a Naturopath, but they will a physical therapist, but only to a limited amount per year.

My neighbor, who is a physical therapist, has just decided to accept only “private practice” patients and not bill ANY insurance at all. She is not sure if she will get enough patients this way, so is also starting her own Ebay business in case she needs to close her medical office!

This does not have anything to do with abortion, but my point is in some ways practicing medicine is being made unappealing by both the government (Medicare) and HMO’s.


24 posted on 05/13/2007 6:25:12 PM PDT by baa39
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To: buzzyboop

Compare this to the North Carolina doctors who refuse and threaten to blacklist any physician who takes part in a lawful execution. Their excuse is it violate their oath. Abortion violating any oaths, huh doctors?


25 posted on 05/13/2007 6:44:22 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Navy Patriot
Many vacation in Florida the last three months of each year. They just might stay here.

Expect for the pesky fact that the Florida Board of Medicine would likely not grant licenses to these physicians. It is hard as heck to gdet a medical license in this state, and the board does not view transplants who are down here 3 months at a time kindly.

26 posted on 05/13/2007 7:04:59 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: buzzyboop
Though abortion is technically legal in Canada up to the moment of birth, so many doctors refuse to do it that access to it is effectually restricted.

They're just exercising their "right to choose." Deal with it, lady.

27 posted on 05/13/2007 7:34:04 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: RansomOttawa

“They’re just exercising their “right to choose.” Deal with it, lady.”

Exactly! It would be a huge blow to lose the privilege to practice medicine, but I would never let any government force me to do something that was against my conscience. It’s hard enough in life to do the right things and make the right decisions each day, and to have added to that struggle coercive pressure by the government to do what you don’t believe in is reprehensible.


28 posted on 05/13/2007 8:41:04 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: WorkingClassFilth
..what are you going to do with your already overtaxed, understaffed and lousy system of health care?

Wow. Strong, assertive language. Thats good.

At what price would you start murdering innocent babies?

29 posted on 05/14/2007 5:47:22 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

Me? Zip. Nada. Never.


30 posted on 05/14/2007 2:51:12 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Current tagline banned under hate speech laws.)
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To: laotzu

I think you may have missed his point.


31 posted on 05/14/2007 2:53:46 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: buzzyboop
The group's solution: Require doctors by law to perform abortions whether they like it or not.

Guess this "group" will have to do its own surgeries and heal its own illnesses then, as doctors will drop out of the profession in droves.

32 posted on 05/14/2007 2:56:57 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: gas_dr
Hey Doc,

I was referring to the reason Canadian doctors go to Florida. The primary reason is the way they are paid, effectively they have a salary cap and they reach that in about 9 months. If they treat any more patients they sort of work for free the rest of the year, so, many vacation in Florida till after the New Year and then go back to work. Also, Florida is a great place to vacation in winter. I didn't intend to represent that Canadian doctors would try to work in Florida three months of each year. I represented that possibly they would permanently emigrate and practice in the entire USA and other attractive nations.

NP

33 posted on 05/17/2007 12:45:40 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Zimbabwe, leftist success story.)
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