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Posted on 05/14/2007 4:07:51 PM PDT by wagglebee
Oh yes... now I remember NPR did a big puff piece upon his death... imagine NPR doing a puff piece on a priest ... only if he is a son of Judas.
But I expect there to be traitors and I expect NPR to bow down in homage to the traitors. What I do not expect is for the Church to be silent. How can politicians be excommunicated for being pro-abort if we have priests who are openly pro-abortion? That makes no sense to me!
*(John Allen...said the pope appears to have a personal view that is stronger than the official Catholic position. “What seems to be clear is that the pope personally thinks that Catholic politicians who support abortion rights should not receive communion,” he told Reuters.)
Mr. Allen, open up a catechism, this is the “official Catholic position” ... if anything, the Pope understated it! *
john allen always seemed a little out of touch and-or quite liberal to me...
“The problem is, they’ve all excommunicated themselves. They are no longer part of the Catholic Church.”
And so if they take communion they do so in an unworthy manner and so heap coals upon their heads. Not a good position to be in. I hope for the sake of their souls that they repent.
Mel
Though my proofreading is atrocious so early in the day, I thought I’d ping you to my previous post.
From your statements in this thread it's rather obvious that you do.
They know best imo.
If they're instructing you that it's acceptable to give non-Catholics Communion then they obviously don't know best. Sounds as if they're more than happy to have someone else freeing them up from the responsibilities of their clerical office at the hospital. Send a letter to the CDF and see whether or not they disagree.
Are you an Extraordinary (formerly called Eucharistic) Minister at a Catholic parish in a Catholic Diocese?
No. Not being ordained I am not worthy to touch the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord with my hands. A view shared by Blessed Teresa of Calcutta, St. Thomas Aquinas and the Blessed Mother.
Are you mandated by the Diocese to give the Eucharist at Mass, to shut ins, and during hospital duty?
Irrelevant. I wouldn't accept Communion from Greeley or McBrien either unless I was near death and they were the only Priest available.
Answer those questions and I may click your link and not view your reply as a snarky, uninformed reply by an uniformed person, who just wants to feel special by telling one she “needs to read something for starters”.
You've obviously been poorly catechized, which is obvious from your lack of comprehension as to why an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion is called extraordinary. The Parochial Vicar at your parish should have given you a copy and instructed you to read it and then discussed its contents with you so you wouldn't be so poorly informed. Perhaps he was too busy on his day off while you were discharging his duties at the hospital and patting yourself on the back for being such a wonderful person.
Let me give you a clue, the authority of Rome spelled out in Redemptionis Sacramentum cannot be usurped by a Priest whom you mistakenly think, in your humble, relativist, extraordinary opinion, knows best.
Thank you for that reply. Having come from a Protestant background, it grates on my nerves to see the laity distributing the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord. You are right, only the priest should distribute, and we should receive only on the tongue and not in the hand. Even when I was Episcopalian, we were taught not to touch the Holy Eucharist. It was placed in our outstretched palm and we immediately lifted it to our mouth. No touching with the fingers. If people really believed it was the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord, they would be afraid of doing something sacrilegious. But so many people don’t believe - they treat it like Presbyterian wafers (I was Presbyterian growing up). People just don’t realize the implications of their lack of reverence. This is the Creator of the Universe we are talking about. The ancient Jews knew that if they looked on God, they would die (and were shocked when Moses didn’t) and yet we receive Him at every Mass. We have taken Him for granted and are totally flippant about our demeanor before Him.
Good question, and it doesn't make sense to me, either!
As a Baptist,
Well stated! I'm Catholic but we certainly see eye to eye on this.
I'm a million miles away from being an expert on canon law, but this I really don't understand.
Why just pick on Giulliani?
How many self identified Catholics Democrats are running for President or any other elected office who have the audacity to challenge and flaunt their disobedience to Church teaching and our Holy Father.
If they dare to violate God’s law, they should never be elected to make Man’s laws.
I can see how you would not understand it, that’s because Allen is talking out of his hat and it makes no sense. The Pope’s comments were perfectly cohesive with the catechism and historical church doctrine.
“If they dare to violate God’s law, they should never be elected to make Man’s laws.”
You put that very well and I agree with you.
The term has always been Extraordinary Minister; the Ordinary minister is the priest. On occasions where there are not enough priests to accommodate the needs of the faithful, etc, the situation is extra-ordinary. The preference is always that the priest should distribute, but EM’s are to meet the necessities of the faithful when the priest cannot. Hence, the term “Eucharistic Minister” is actually incorrect and misleading.
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You’ve misunderstood me, I think. I don’t pat myself on the back and question often why I can give Communion since I’m not a poster child for anything moral.
The priests aren’t instructing me, the chairs of the ministry are, all lay people. And, that’s been the way in our parish for a long time. It’s changing now, which I think is for the better. Our new pastor and a new priest are very involved so the status quo is going to change and that has many upset and worried. I’m sad because the priest, ordained two years ago, is leaving to study, and he was what many in the parish (nuns mostly) called pre-vatican II. Our former pastor was wonderful but for the last ten years just wanted to retire and the Diocese wouldn’t let him. He let the parish council run the church and the school principal run the school. Our new pastor is young, very involved in every aspect of the parish and parish school. He’s not letting the lay people run the parish and school. I think that’s a good thing. And the priest who is leaving to study, at the behest of the Diocese, could do so much for our parish but he’s leaving now.
I understand why lay people were given the opportunity to give Communion during Mass, to hospital patients, to shut ins. There’s just not enough priests. I have no idea why I was asked to be a part of this ministry. I never feel worthy. I question it daily and have discussed my reservations with the priest and nun I talk to.
Please don’t accuse me of being misinformed or uninformed or question my religious upbringing. I attended Catholic elementary and high school, Penn State, then St. Joe’s for my Master degrees. Most importantly, I had a mother who taught me my faith by her actions.
Not true (extraordinary vs. eucharistic). In my parish, we were called Eucharistic Ministers. The Diocese of Trenton called all this. A couple of years ago, per Rome, our parish called a meeting to tell us we aren’t Eucharistic Ministers but Extraordinary and will be called from now on. Our former pastor, deceased, explained why but none of it mattered to me and still doesn’t.
I probably didn’t convey this in my other post.
Many of the older more informed were upset by the change in name. Personally, none of it mattered to me. I don’t understand the change, just as I don’t understand why we went from kneeling during a certain part of the Mass to standing to back to kneeling (once Rome told the Diocese to go back to kneeling and once the Diocese informed my parish). Some never followed the kneeling to standing and still kneeled so going back to it wasn’t an issue. Many went from kneeling to standing because we were told to. And did the same when we were told we were going back to kneeling. To me, this is all a whatever type thing. It doesn’t contribute or take away from the Mass. Just like we’re supposed to bow, rather than genuflect to the tabernacle. Yes, it’s bowing now and genuflecting is discouraged in our parish. To me, these are all changes that aren’t really important but I will follow them.
I grew up in Philly and the Archdiocese of Phila, along with all its parishes, didn’t have a Saturday evening Mass when the rest of the country did. We were the only one or one of the few in America who didn’t. Until the Pope, Rome, insisted. They weren’t happy about it but had to comply because Rome made a point of addressing it. Rome did the same thing with our Diocese concerning the Eucharist v. Extraordinary term as well as the standing/kneeling thing. Then the Diocese pressured the parishes and they complied. It’s the same thing with the terms Eucharist/Extraordinary.
I’m not a spokesperson for my faith and certainly not for my parish. I rely on my parish priests to educate me on all of this. As for being called Eucharist Ministers, that’s what our parish, our Diocese called us until a couple years ago. And we had a big meeting, many were up in arms about it all, regarding the change.
You don’t know me at all and I don’t know you at all. If my post came off in some way as “higher than thou” it wasn’t its intent because I question my mandation/giving the Eucharist, daily, but I understand the need given the lack of priests.
True, but what we were called in the Diocese of Trenton and in my parish church, until Rome demanded it change, was Eucharistic Minister. And again, it’s just a name or title.
The only “Eucharistic Minister” is the priest. He is the only Ordinary. There was never a change, the title as always been “extraordinary” because it would not make sense any other way. If your particular parish was using another version, and was corrected by someone in authority, that makes sense because you were using the wrong phrase. Nothing has been changed, except people’s casual substitution of an inaccurate title for the accurate (and original) one.
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