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Kurdish Leader: Oil Law Is a Deal Breaker [Iraq Government Dead in the Water]
UPI via Kurdish Aspect ^ | May 15, 2007 | Ben Lando

Posted on 05/15/2007 9:44:06 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty

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To: Sleeping Beauty

Reading too many NY Times quagmire stories?


41 posted on 05/15/2007 11:28:30 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Sleeping Beauty

*shrug* Sometimes I do...


42 posted on 05/15/2007 11:28:50 AM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: tobyhill
Turkey should like the Kurds getting their own place because they can all return home and out of Turkey and Iran.

You should look at the wiki entry for Kurdistan to see why that wouldn't work. There is no "returning" to Kurdistan, since the majority of it is located in present-day Turkey. The Kurds have existed in that region for at least 5000 years (they're not Arab or Persian), so they're not going to leave willingly.

Turkey's fear is that the Turkish Kurds, upon seeing the southern third of Kurdistan freed, will revolt to unify the Kurdish nation. Given the long running Kurdish rebellion in Turkey, it's not a misplaced fear.
43 posted on 05/15/2007 11:34:58 AM PDT by Arthalion
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To: Sleeping Beauty

You didn’t know about Alaska Oil Royalties? It’s how they get people to live in that frozen wasteland.

As to your other statement, nowhere in that article does it say the Kurds oppose revenue sharing. They oppose a national oil company. Here’s what they say about revenue sharing:

“”We want to create an automatic payment mechanism where it doesn’t rely on the goodwill of the finance minister or the oil minister for the regions to get their fair share,” he said”

So they are FOR revenue sharing, they want it to be based on free market, not some oil minister, and be an automatic payment to all regions that makes sure they all get their “fair share”. Under Saddam, the Kurds got almost NONE of the oil revenue, and they fear corrupt politicians will take the money and give it to their supporters instead of the Kurds.


44 posted on 05/15/2007 11:35:42 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Sleeping Beauty
Okay critical thinkers — what other outcomes do you see?

The only outcome I see is that no matter what, the US taxpayers (and their descendants for generations to come) are going to get stuck paying off the holders of all those T-Bills to the tune of almost a Trillion dollars.

Maybe the genius brain trust in DC should cut a deal with which ever faction will agree to pay us back and sell us oil below market.....................

45 posted on 05/15/2007 11:37:02 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: Arthalion
Can't happen. Kurdistan would be a landlocked nation, so how are you going to get the oil out

You're right. I assume they are currently piping it through Iraq.

When we pipe oil through Canada, I assume we pay Canada.

All I know for sure is that without this oil revenue sharing bill signed by the Iraqi government -- now -- they will remain locked in a worsening civil war and Americans will not willingly continue to sacrifice our soldiers and our treasure while they slug it out and bleed us dry.

The real bottom line is that we need this oil. It's a national security issue. We need the oil more than we need to kill Al Qaeda in Bagdad and its environs.

So, what do you suggest we do if the Kurds pull out of the Iraq Parliament? (Followed by the Sunnis.) Back to square one?

46 posted on 05/15/2007 11:38:07 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: pissant
Reading too many NY Times quagmire stories?

I didn't even know they existed. I assume you are the expert on that.

This is a critical thinking thread.

47 posted on 05/15/2007 11:41:03 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty
We need the oil more than we need to kill Al Qaeda in Baghdad and its environs.

I'm not so sure which is the greater priority...

48 posted on 05/15/2007 11:41:55 AM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: LS
Option 4, as we did in the Philippines in the Insurrection, we crush the opposition ultimately, turning it into a relatively peaceful area

LOL! BWHAHAHA!! Thanks..whew...I needed the laugh. That's got to be the most pie in the sky, unrealistic, load I've heard in at least a week. I would point out the glaring differences between the two regions but I realize 'conservatives' don't like real compare and contrast between current and past police actions...

49 posted on 05/15/2007 11:42:21 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You didn’t know about Alaska Oil Royalties? It’s how they get people to live in that frozen wasteland.

I honestly didn't. But now I am looking it up. Maybe I can afford a second home and have my share of the oil revenues pay for it. It's better than an IRA.

As to your other statement, nowhere in that article does it say the Kurds oppose revenue sharing. They oppose a national oil company.

You are right. I jumped to fast conclusions because I see a vast gulf that cannot be crossed -- at least not in time to prevent the fall of the Iraqi government. I really don't want to start over again. You know? And I really want to walk away with the oil -- to help make up for all the sacrifices we made for these people.

50 posted on 05/15/2007 11:46:27 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: null and void
We need the oil more than we need to kill Al Qaeda in Baghdad and its environs.

I'm not so sure which is the greater priority...

Well, I'm a capitalist. Can't help it. Get the money first, then kick their butts.

It would make the war easier to sell at home, as well.

51 posted on 05/15/2007 11:53:14 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Arthalion
Give the Kurds their own country and we’ll take their side over the Turks since Turkey didn’t want to help with Iraq. Draw the boundaries and that will be the locations we protect but if the Kurds choose to stay in Turkey or Iran then those Kurds are on their own.
As for the oil they can sell it to whomever they choose but it will be up to that country to make logistical transportation. Oil from the middle-east is not ours but the more on the market, regardless where it goes to, helps the overall supply.
52 posted on 05/15/2007 11:56:57 AM PDT by tobyhill (only wimps believe in retreat in defeat)
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To: billbears

As usual, a content-less post.


53 posted on 05/15/2007 12:02:40 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Well, it would be critical thinking if the original story was as alarmist as you make it out to be.


54 posted on 05/15/2007 12:14:53 PM PDT by pissant
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To: LS
Seriously poor lad. If I have to I will. But if you can't see the basic differences in how that 'plan' worked in the Philippines compared to how it would not work in Iraq, I could provide content all day long and it wouldn't convince you of the ignorance of your statement.

But to keep a promise, I will make a post, one post, which will explain why you're wrong. Again.

55 posted on 05/15/2007 12:23:21 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Create a number of viable separate oil businesses. Issue every adult Iraqi citizen ownership shares in all of these separate operations. Allow these shares to be bought & sold on an Iraqi stock exchange. Those who want to stay in the oil business keep their shares and buy more. Those who prefer cash now sell their shares. Once oil is in the marketplace, the need to fight over control of the government will be reduced.


56 posted on 05/15/2007 12:26:13 PM PDT by John Semmens
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To: Sleeping Beauty

We make it clear to the Kurds if they torpedo a reasonable oil deal, that we need to end the Sunni insurgency, they will forfeit our protection and we will not defend them against Sunni, Turkish or Iranian incursions.


57 posted on 05/15/2007 12:34:32 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: null and void
You F with our country, not only will we track you, personally, down and kill your worthless butt, and as many of your equally worthless kin as that mission takes, but your entire country and/or those that supported you will simply cease to exist.

Afghanistan should have been fragmented along ethnic lines into mutually warring pissant regions, and the same fate should have befallen Iraq.

I guess the globe makers didn't have a lobby to push for this.

58 posted on 05/15/2007 12:46:57 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: pissant
Well, it would be critical thinking if the original story was as alarmist as you make it out to be.

To the untrained eye, it may look alarmist -- but it is an alarming development from the perspective of national security and the US economy.

Last week, Vice-President Cheney traveled to Iraq for the SOLE purpose of forcing the Iraqi Patliament to sign the oil revenue sharing bill that the Parliament announced days earlier was drafted.

Trust me when I tell you that Cheney was not there for a photo op or to sabre rattle with Iran. Those of us in the global economy business are balancing on a knife edge waiting for this to come down. The stakes are high.

If the bill doesn't get signed before June -- the Iraqi parliament will probably disintegrate, oil prices could slam America like nothing we've ever seen before, the US might be forced to pull troops out of Iraq, and our national security could be compromised.

Admittedly -- none of this gets into the news (except high-level financial news) -- but a few creative souls around here like to "think" about things rather than "react" to them. It's the classical conservative approach.

It would be nice to have you in the game.

59 posted on 05/15/2007 12:53:28 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty

I have been following developments in Iraq like a hawk since day one. I do not share your pessimism. The fact that Kurds today, or Sunni’s yesterday, or Shia last month threaten to leave the gov’t does not concern me. It is how things work in a parliamentary system. It is how they jostle for power.


60 posted on 05/15/2007 12:57:01 PM PDT by pissant
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