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Kurdish Leader: Oil Law Is a Deal Breaker [Iraq Government Dead in the Water]
UPI via Kurdish Aspect ^ | May 15, 2007 | Ben Lando

Posted on 05/15/2007 9:44:06 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty

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To: Dr. Frank fan

Affecting me? Naw, I’m just bored easily...


21 posted on 05/15/2007 10:27:16 AM PDT by dakine
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To: hunter112

Turkey should like the Kurds getting their own place because they can all return home and out of Turkey and Iran.


22 posted on 05/15/2007 10:27:33 AM PDT by tobyhill (only wimps believe in retreat in defeat)
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To: dakine
Affecting me? Naw, I’m just bored easily...

Then change the channel and let the people in charge figure it out. There are plenty of other TV shows for you to watch ;-)

23 posted on 05/15/2007 10:29:06 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan

Much better theater...


24 posted on 05/15/2007 10:30:25 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Old Retired Army Guy; All
The Turks primary concerns are not the oil or even the Iraqi Kurds. What they worry about is that a separate Kurdistan would spark a civil war in the Kurdish portion of Turkey in an effort by Turkish Kurds to partition off the southwest portion of Turkey that has a Kurd majority and join an independent Kurdistan. This is a real flashpoint for Turkey and they would definitely send in their troops to protect their interests. The Iraqi Kurds need to make the oil sharing deal and make it soon. It is the center of any political arrangement to a peaceful Iraq.

Okay.

Am I on Candid Camera?

How come all the brilliant FReepers suddenly showed up on MY thread???

25 posted on 05/15/2007 10:31:20 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty
I think we made a fundamental mistake in the post 9/11 world. The message we should have sent was:

You F with our country, not only will we track you, personally, down and kill your worthless butt, and as many of your equally worthless kin as that mission takes, but your entire country and/or those that supported you will simply cease to exist.

Afghanistan should have been fragmented along ethnic lines into mutually warring pissant regions, and the same fate should have befallen Iraq.

Turkey, who wouldn't allow us to stage on their turf would be rewarded with a hostile Kurdistan on their border...

26 posted on 05/15/2007 10:31:20 AM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Look closely just above and to the left of your monitor.

SMILE!


27 posted on 05/15/2007 10:37:37 AM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Your premise is faulty, which leaves you limited conclusions.

The Kurds will support oil sharing, they just don’t want it to be tied to a national oil company. As conservatives, we should all oppose a national oil company. But the central government could claim royalties from all oil, and then distribute those royalties throughout the nation in a fair way not tied to where the oil fields are.

Like Alaska gives royalties to all alaskans, not based on whether they live in the provinces where the oil is being extracted.


28 posted on 05/15/2007 10:42:47 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: null and void
You F with our country, not only will we track you, personally, down and kill your worthless butt, and as many of your equally worthless kin as that mission takes, but your entire country and/or those that supported you will simply cease to exist.

Overall, your post makes perfect sense. Hindsight and all that...

But -- I don't get the part about "but your entire country ... will simply cease to exist." I mean, they don't have a country. We are not fighting any nation that I know of. We are not at war with Iraq, we are not at war with Afghanistan. This is the ugly advantage that Al Qaeda has over us. They are active in nations all over the world. Sixty at last count.

But we MUST keep in mind that Iraq is the "central battlefield in the war on terror" -- because Al Qaeda chose that battlefield. They have to travel there from other countries in order to fight with us. We have to hope they continue to show up -- so we have someone to fight with and can inflict some casualties on them.

29 posted on 05/15/2007 10:44:29 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Your premise is faulty, which leaves you limited conclusions.

No doubt about it. But I have been waiting for this shoe to drop. Cheney was there this weekend rubbing their noses in the absolute necessity for the Iraq Parliament to immediately sign the oil revenue sharing bill. (Remember, they announced, with much fanfare last week, that the bill was drafted and finally ready to sign -- before they all take a 2-month vacation in Paris.)

The Kurds will support oil sharing, they just don’t want it to be tied to a national oil company. As conservatives, we should all oppose a national oil company. But the central government could claim royalties from all oil, and then distribute those royalties throughout the nation in a fair way not tied to where the oil fields are.

From your mouth to god's ear, Sir. The article above definitively states that they will not share their oil revenues with the rest of Iraq. Perhaps -- after 100 years or so of contentious negotiations -- they might consider paying some royalties. (You know how stubborn those Arabs can be.)

Like Alaska gives royalties to all alaskans, not based on whether they live in the provinces where the oil is being extracted.

Why didn't anyone TELL me that people who live in Alaska get oil royalties in their bank accounts because they live there??? Jeesh. I could have been "living" in Alaska and getting free money all this time.

30 posted on 05/15/2007 10:55:25 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty
Yeah. Hindsight. I was 100% behind nation building/rebuilding in the foresight department. And I still think we need to continue that direction now that we are on that path.

But -- I don't get the part about "but your entire country ... will simply cease to exist."

Words and names have meaning and symbolic power all their own.

There are still countries named Afghanistan and Iraq. They still have the same physical territories and peoples. The Taliban will alway be a part of Afghan history books, Saddam Hussein will always be a part of Iraqi history books.

When those countries are replaced by new countries with people regarding themselves as something other than Afghanis or Iraqis the defeat of the Taliban and Saddam will be complete.

Nothing in this prevents Kurdistan, Sunnistan, and Shiiastan from continuing to act as Roach Hotels for jihadist, each fighting against those who just aren't Islamist enough.

Nice guy that I am, I'm even willing to arm all sides and keep them stirred up until they break their own and each other's wills to fight.

31 posted on 05/15/2007 10:56:55 AM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; hunter112

What you said is what should happen, but I doubt that’s what’s going to happen. Like hunter112, I see a pan-Islamic war shaping up. It’s been a long-time coming, and all the elements are there: ancient tribal rivalries and religious animosities, a power vacuum, an emotional, largly uneducated and easily manipulated populace and billions in oil wealth for the victors. If the surge doesn’t work, and if the Iraqi government doesn’t get its act together real quick, buckle your seatbelts.


32 posted on 05/15/2007 11:03:36 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Before any Iraq oil is nationalized, they need to find that 100,000 to 300,000 barrels per day. Even Mexico is not that corrupt.


33 posted on 05/15/2007 11:08:44 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: LadyNavyVet
I see a pan-Islamic war shaping up.

Me too.

Want some popcorn?


34 posted on 05/15/2007 11:11:56 AM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: null and void

Okay. You make a lot of sense.


35 posted on 05/15/2007 11:12:52 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty

None of your proposals are even remotely acceptable. An autonomous Kurdisatan may be the best outcome available.


36 posted on 05/15/2007 11:13:31 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: RightWhale
Before any Iraq oil is nationalized, they need to find that 100,000 to 300,000 barrels per day. Even Mexico is not that corrupt.

LOL, RightWhale. I've been avoiding that story for a week. Just because I know it will make me smack my forehead with utter frustration.

37 posted on 05/15/2007 11:14:56 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: saganite
None of your proposals are even remotely acceptable. An autonomous Kurdisatan may be the best outcome available.

You've got that right. The FReepers on this thread set me straight.

38 posted on 05/15/2007 11:18:40 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty

An autonomous Kurdisatan

Good grief! I should use spell check. That one’s kind of weird.


39 posted on 05/15/2007 11:20:37 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Sleeping Beauty
We support the new Kurdish nation. We even send our troops to help them get it together. They are sitting on most of the world's oil. We become their favorite customer.

Can't happen. Kurdistan would be a landlocked nation, so how are you going to get the oil out? Through Turkey? The Turks have already stated that the creation of a Kurdish nation would be an act of war. Even if we parked troops there to defend Kurdistan, the Turks would never allow it to be transported across their border. Maybe west, through Syria? Oh no, that won't work. Syria is an anti-American Sunni dominated nation with close ties to the Sunni's in Baghdad. They'll never side with the Kurds. Iran? Iran may permit transshipment of oil through their pipeline, but the Iranian's are equipped to deal with Europe and Russia, so there are huge logistical problems with shipping oil to the US through there (and I suspect that the Iranians won't be any help in resolving those). Perhaps south, through what's left of Iraq? I shouldn't even have to explain why that won't work.

An independent Kurdistan may be able to exist as a separate nation with us defending it, but it won't be exporting much of anything.
40 posted on 05/15/2007 11:22:32 AM PDT by Arthalion
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