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Rudy Giuliani downplays the value of his jewelry collection
Village Voice ^

Posted on 05/15/2007 9:59:24 AM PDT by Omega Man II

Runnin' Scared Diamonds are Forever

Rudy Giuliani downplays the value of his jewelry collection

by Wayne Barrett

May 15th, 2007 10:38 AM

Down in Huntsville, Alabama, last week, Rudy Giuliani was forced to answer questions about the gaudy World Series rings he's been wearing on the presidential campaign trail. "I paid precisely what anyone else would pay," he insisted, adding that he didn't get any of them until after he left office. He was responding to a Voice story ("The Yankees' Clean-up Man," May 9–15) that charged him with taking the rings while in office and failing to disclose them as gifts—both of which are violations of law that could still be prosecuted. He branded the Voice's revelations "a joke," though it was his contention that he paid full value for them—$2,500 for the 1996 ring in 2004 and $4,500 apiece for 1998, 1999, and 2000 rings in 2003—that had much of the sports-memorabilia world laughing.

The Yankees haven't been very forthcoming about the core value of their rings, but the Chicago Tribune reported last year that the 2005 White Sox ring "might have cost as much as $20,000 to make if recent World Series rings by the same manufacturer are any indication." The Boston Herald put the appraised value of the Red Sox 2004 ring—nothing but the jewels—at $16,300. The Anaheim Angels had their 2002 ring appraised at $15,000. And Jerry McNeal, the ring expert for the Baseball Hall of Fame, says the 2003 Florida Marlins ring cost $46,000 to make. The New York Times says the Yankees once estimated the cost of one of their rings at $8,000. But the price rose to more than $10,000 by 2000, according to both a Yankee source and a memorabilia expert, Pete Siegel, whose store, Gotta Have It Collectibles, has actually sold sports items to Giuliani.

The three-karat, 2000 ring weighed more than an ounce, had 22 diamonds and 34.5 grams of gold, and featured three subway cars etched above a façade of Yankee Stadium, representing both the Subway Series victory over the Mets and three consecutive championships. David Bernstein, the Yankee's director of hospitality, told the Poughkeepsie Journal that the team drastically cut the number of people getting the 2000 ring, limiting it to only 10 to 15 people who worked at the stadium, but still giving one to Giuliani. With 25 or so executives who'd received it in the past denied it in 2000, the exclusivity added to its value, just as the end-of-the-drought breakthrough represented by the 1996 ring boosted its worth.

Spencer Lader, who regularly appears on the Yankee television station as a memorabilia buyer and expert, says he paid $18,000 for a ring owned by Arthur Richman, an obscure Yankee executive. Lader, like a half dozen other experts, says all Yankee rings have "an intrinsic value" beyond the sum of their parts and regardless of whose name is inscribed in them. "They commemorate a significant sports event," says Lader, adding that there is no way that Giuliani insured any of his rings for as little as $2,500. Dick Williams, an ex-manager of other teams who was a consultant to the Yankees when he won his ring, sold it at auction for $34,787.

Giuliani's name obviously adds much more value to the rings than Richman's or Williams's. The Voice story cited three memorabilia experts who put the combined market value of the ex-mayor's rings at a minimum of $200,000, and a fourth who said $100,000. Giuliani responded by telling reporters that he shouldn't have to pay what a collector might, a nice way of saying he was entitled to a breathtaking discount. But even subtracting what his name contributes to the market price, the Yankees, pushed by two Times reporters who wrote stories in recent days, couldn't offer any examples of others who bought these not-for-sale rings at anything approximating Rudy's price. The New York City Conflicts of Interest Board (COIB) has ruled that city employees "may accept a discount" from a vendor for the employee's "private use," but only if "the discount is available generally to all government employees."

Of course, that ruling is only applicable to the rings if Giuliani received them, or was promised them, while still a city employee. The Yankees are straining to support Giuliani on the price question, but they're not helping him on the pivotal issue of the timing of when he got the rings. Alice McGillion, the team spokeswoman, says the team has no record of when Giuliani received them, and won't answer questions about whether they were all made for him while he was in office. The Voice story established that he received the 1996 ring in 1997, around the time the players did, and the other three in 2001. Both the COIB and the NYC Department of Investigations would have the jurisdiction to investigate that, as would the Manhattan and Bronx District Attorneys. None will answer questions about any possible ongoing investigation.

The New York State Lobbying Commission, which levied one of its largest fines ever on the Yankees for tickets it gave to public officials, would also have the authority to examine whether the team accurately disclosed its dealings with Giuliani when it settled with the commission in December 2003. It issued subpoenas against the Yankees at that time and those subpoenas could simply be renewed. The commission can only examine gifts to Giuliani that occurred while he was in office. Its initial probe went back to July 2001, which is precisely when the 2000 ring was finally presented to the players.

But the rings, the tickets, the jackets, the caps, and the autographed balls—all detailed in last week's story—weren't the only Yankees loot that Giuliani collected.

He also has a Joe DiMaggio uniform. When Avenue magazine did an extended photo shoot and cover story entitled "At Home with Judith Giuliani" in November 2003, it ran a picture of what it called "the framed, glass-encased shirt of another Giuliani idol, Joe DiMaggio." The Number 5 shirt with the signature "Best Wishes, Joe DiMaggio" hangs in Rudy's den. Judith told the magazine: "When I put that up, Rudy smiled because he knew it was going to be a room that he'd enjoy just as I promised." Avenue staff writer Jill Brooke says that Nathan-Giuliani led her to believe the shirt was authentic. In fact, it's a replica. When Giuliani received the shirt in June 2002 at the Joe DiMaggio Award Gala, sponsored by Xaverian High School in Brooklyn, in June 2002, Daily Variety reported it was "the Number 5 jersey worn by DiMaggio in the 1951 World Series," the Yankee Clipper's final games. But Xaverian principal Sal Ferrara told the Voice: "I gave Giuliani a certificate to say what it was, so he definitely knew it was a replica."

Morris Engelberg, who manages the DiMaggio estate and donated the replica to the school, still estimates that it, plus the Tiffany crystal DiMaggio bat Giuliani was given at the same event, were worth about $25,000. The original jersey sold for $195,000 at Christie's. Engelberg, who sits on the Xaverian committee and goes to the annual dinner, couldn't understand why the school gave the shirt to Giuliani rather than auction it off for the disabled kids who are the beneficiaries of the event. Indeed, Ferrara had described the shirt in earlier news stories as one of the principal objects donated by Engelberg that the school planned to auction, but says he decided to give it to Giuliani instead. "When I gave them the pieces," Engelberg recalled, "I said to Ferrara, 'Auction all these pieces off to raise money for scholarships.' I'm not going to make an issue of it."

The Yankees are only tangentially connected to the Xaverian event. The team makes a significant annual donation and the Yankees' president presented the award in 2000—the first year of the DiMaggio gala.


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To: Omega Man II
so he's not allowed to seek public office because he likes sports memorabilia ? ....odd

but, it no doubt adds to the splash poo on rudy pile, so it suits a purpose

21 posted on 05/15/2007 10:38:17 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Well ,,, then let me put it this way.

BIG FRIGGING DEAL !!!

Who cares?


22 posted on 05/15/2007 10:39:35 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I’ve heard of college class rings that cost more than this, and they weren’t as ornate as the rings.

Really? $2,500 and up for a college class ring?

You can buy a Jostens "Regal" style college ring in gold with sapphire - top of the line from the biggest manufacturer/retailer of college rings - on eBay for a few hundred bucks.

23 posted on 05/15/2007 10:43:09 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Jake The Goose; CharlesWayneCT
BIG FRIGGING DEAL !!!

It might be a bigger deal if CharlesWayneCT's math were accurate.

But it isn't.

I was actually being generous in saying that a ring of that description in 2000 had raw material costs of $2550.

For a manufacturer, 3 carats of diamonds in one-eighths would cost less than a thousand dollars, not more than $2000.

24 posted on 05/15/2007 10:46:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Omega Man II

of all the things that bother me about Rudy....this ain’t one of them.


25 posted on 05/15/2007 10:51:49 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Calpernia
Duncan Hunter not a millionaire? C'mon...
Net Worth: $1,384,010 to $2,881,000 Rank: Ranks 108 among all members of the House http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/pfds.asp?CID=N00006983
26 posted on 05/15/2007 10:54:53 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: mnehrling

Only elite leftists are “allowed” to be wealthy.


27 posted on 05/15/2007 10:56:12 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Jake The Goose

Boy, is the ridiculous Wayne Barrett scraping the bottom of the barrel, or what?


28 posted on 05/15/2007 10:56:59 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: ccmay

Pagoda.... in this case being a NE phrase for such properties as “The Kennedy Compound” etc. Not meant literally. Gore only used real Pagodas for illegal Campaign fundraising and possibly ice tea-driven pitstops.


29 posted on 05/15/2007 11:01:14 AM PDT by rod1 (uake)
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To: jonathanmo

Pardon, I didn’t know that. I didn’t even realize open secrets had personal finances. I’ve only used it for campaign info. Thanks for that tip.


30 posted on 05/15/2007 11:01:45 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul are both millionaires.


31 posted on 05/15/2007 11:02:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Calpernia
Brownback is worth millions as well...estimates from 2 million to 9 million....FYI...

I don't think the term "millionaire" means a whole lot in some contexts...Hunter probably owns real estate ... doesn't mean he's driving a Jaguar !
32 posted on 05/15/2007 11:05:02 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Yeh - it’s so silly you almost have to laugh at the very idea that someone considers this news.

Weird is what it is.


33 posted on 05/15/2007 11:06:30 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Omega Man II
After some other news I have heard about Giuliani I was curious about what type of jewelry he wore.
34 posted on 05/15/2007 11:12:38 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (How dose it feel to be italicized?)
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To: Jake The Goose

It’s interesting because it is another “where did this come from?” story to bring down Rudy by the MSM. Rudy is the only Republican who consistently polls ahead of Hell’s Queen in most polls. So while many of my fellow Republicans disagree with Rudy on a number of issues, we should take notice of who is trying to bring him down and why.


35 posted on 05/15/2007 11:42:31 AM PDT by es345st
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To: es345st

I agree with you - I have often said the same thing.


36 posted on 05/15/2007 11:44:52 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: wideawake
Sounds quite plausible to me.

I agree. What a collector would pay is not at all the same thing as what a team owner would pay to buy these things by the dozens.

-ccm

37 posted on 05/15/2007 12:16:25 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Jake The Goose
"....it was his contention that he paid full value for them—$2,500 for the 1996 ring in 2004 and $4,500 apiece for 1998, 1999, and 2000 rings in 2003—that had much of the sports-memorabilia world laughing."

To me, it smells like another grab for the goodies -- and BS about it being a "full value" purchase...

Rudi's "explanations" of his prior performance, behavior, positions and friendships --- sound less credible than Hillary's..

38 posted on 05/15/2007 12:28:54 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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