Posted on 05/15/2007 6:44:13 PM PDT by neverdem
New York mayor informed the law bars purchases by undercover private agents
Gov. Timothy M. Kaine yesterday defended a new Virginia gun-rights law, saying it is designed to keep "rogue folks" from making "freelance gun purchases."
Attorney General Bob McDonnell wrote a letter to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg last month telling him about the law that would prevent the mayor from sending undercover private investigators to buy guns in Virginia.
The law will take effect July 1. McDonnell's letter was written April 13, three days before the Virginia Tech massacre, and not made public until this week.
McDonnell, as attorney general, requested the legislation, which makes it a felony for a person who is not a law-enforcement officer, or under the supervision of a law-enforcement officer, to entice a firearms dealer to transfer a firearm to someone who is not the actual buyer. It passed the House of Delegates by a 91-5 vote and the state Senate 31-9.
McDonnell said at a news conference yesterday that he wrote the letter as a courtesy to Bloomberg because spokesmen in the mayor's office were saying the purchases by out-of-state agents would continue.
The Republican mayor of New York has sued two dozen gun dealers in five states, including Virginia, to reduce the flow of illegal guns into New York. Between 80 percent and 90 percent of the firearms used to commit crimes in the city are initially purchased out of state, according to New York police.
The suits were filed after guns were sold to undercover investigators during sting operations in which investigators attempted "straw purchases" of firearms.
A straw purchase occurs when one person fills out the paperwork and buys the gun, then passes it along to someone else who is not permitted to own one...
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Criminals will still have guns.......
>>A straw purchase occurs when one person fills out the paperwork and buys the gun, then passes it along to someone else who is not permitted to own one<<
I’m not totally informed on the subject, but wouldn’t this situation require firearm salespeople to exhibit a level of psychic powers not typically seen in the population at large?
How does this affect them?
Your ordinary government employee used/misused by Bloomburg is not so limited, or at least not used to being so limited.
That means that since he's not a cop, the undercover ordinary government employee will be subject to the same penalties as anybody else who is not a cop.
Even Bloomburg could find himself looking at a long trip to the slammer in the Old Dominion.
We could go down to Richmond and poke fun at him on visitors days.
It makes them a felon. They better not get caught doing anything in VA.
>>"It's not the job of the mayor of New York to enforce the criminal laws of Virginia," McDonnell said yesterday. "It's a matter of jurisdiction."<<
The VA LEO's want to maintain their full authority in their own cage. It's bad enough they have to share it now with the Feds.
BTTT
No such thing, if one wants to observe the Constitution of the United States, as an illegal gun. Guns may be possessed illegally, such a felon whose punishment included the loss of RKBA, but for the otherwise law abiding citizen, there is no such thing as an illegal gun, knife or other arm.
touche’!!!
They were felons anyway. Making a straw purchase is a federal felony. No exception for out of jurisdiction private investigators, nor state employees outside *their* jurisdiction. The Mayor is an accomplice, and/or a co-conspirator to violate federal law.
If the federal "police", primarily the BATFE, had a single hair on their collective backsides they'd indict these criminals, maybe stomp their cats and throw their pregnant wives up against a wall. But of course the BATFE would rather go after ordinary citizens in possession of fender washers and exhaust tubing, or plumbing supplies, because that doesn't cost them any budget $$$, and if properly spun, would actually give them more leverage in the budget wars.
Virgina has anti sodomy laws too.
A straw purchase occurs when one person fills out the paperwork and buys the gun, then passes it along to someone else who is not permitted to own one.
I fail to see the problem here.
IF the person BUYING the gun checks out with the gun dealer, what the BUYER does with the gun after that is of no concern to the dealer!
This is like someone buying a car, then giving it to his worthless nephew, who robs a bank and uses it to escape, then the car dealer getting sued for selling the car in the first place! Makes NO F'N SENSE!!!!!
Bloomie is no Republican.
Stick to the concerning problem Gov.
Freelance gun purchases don't kill in cold blood, some rogue folks do however.
“Freelance gun purchases don’t kill in cold blood, some rogue folks do however.”
The purpose of the law isn’t to stop typical crimminals. It’s to prevent interference by out-of-state individuals in Virginia State and Federal investigations. The actions Bloomberg’s PI’s are taking could jeopordize Federal and/or Virginia State investigations of gun-dealers who are suspected of breaking the law.
I predict that Virginia is going to send one of Bloomberg’s boys to prison before this is all over.
“I fail to see the problem here.
IF the person BUYING the gun checks out with the gun dealer, what the BUYER does with the gun after that is of no concern to the dealer!
This is like someone buying a car, then giving it to his worthless nephew, who robs a bank and uses it to escape, then the car dealer getting sued for selling the car in the first place! Makes NO F’N SENSE!!!!!”
Usually, in these “Bloom-stings”, they have the straw-purchasers make statements that quite plainly show they intend to give the gun to someone else. The gun-dealers at that point, if they hear such a statement, are required to warn the purchaser that it is illegal to purchase a firearm for someone who is not eligible to have one. Also, if they intend to give it as a gift to someone who IS eligible, they have to fill out a portion of the Form 4473 that is specifically for that purpose and which the identity of the person receiving the gift firearm is listed.
I guess some of the gun-dealers did not do so, and are the subject of those lawsuits. The problem with that is that the gun-dealer might have been under investigation by the BATFE and/or Virginia Police, and because of the lawsuit they become super-cautious, ruining the investigation.
We can only hope.
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