Posted on 05/15/2007 8:04:25 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
I just copied this from Glenn Reynolds website (fellow libertarian)....I think it says it all:
"No offense, but the libertarian movement is going nowhere with Ron Paul as the face. His comments about 9/11 are comparable to Rosie O'Donnell"
Ouch.
Has it occurred to you that a closed, tightly-controlled and homogeneous society like China doesn't provide an easy target? What about the fact that China is a major weapons source for jihadists, or anyone else who will fork over cold hard cash (including the Taliban, until Rumsfeld opened up a brand-new box of captured Chinese weaponry on the news just after the Taliban cut and run)? Islamists who strike China will lose the lowest cost weapons provider out there. And anyone who harbors these people will be tortured to death for information or executed (perhaps along with the male members of their families, as has happened to China's Uighur Muslims) instead of being sent to a cushy resort like Guantanamo.
Has it also occurred to you that China might also have an informal alliance with the jihadists? Note how Chinese weaponry has been found in Somalia and the Sudan.
Bottom line here is even though al Qaeda doesn't hate us for the things Giuliani says it does, it hates us for standing in the way of their takeover of Muslim governments around the world. The only way for us to redeem ourselves would be for us to deliver those governments into al Qaeda's hands. Thanks but no thanks.
The fact is that al Qaeda can't defeat those governments. But they think they can make us deliver those governments to them by attacking us. Think of how Carter made the Shah abdicate the throne in favor of the Ayatollah Khomeini. Al Qaeda figured it could speed the process along by attacking us on home ground. We are the weakest link.
They are attacking us because we are infidels. Just so happens we are the biggest infidels on the block. Why is that so hard to understand?
Spain - was in Iraq as an ally at the time.
Indonesia - An ally in GWOT; has helped us reound up members of Jeemah Islamiyah; Attacks directly on Indonesia have been quite small
- Bali - Australia is a major ally in the war on terrorism.
- Pakistan - A no-brainer; they turned on the Taliban and helped us topple them; they have also conducted numerous operations to round up al-Qaida agents. The highest-ranking al-qaida members captured to date, Ramsi bin al-shib and Khalid sheik Mohammad, were both rolled up in Pakistani, not US, operations.
- Turkey - A secular muslim state that has cracked down on radicals for decades; also a major ally of the US
- the Philippines - The Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) is part of a 100-year old muslim independence movement in the southern Philippines (Mindanao, Jolo, and Basilan islands). The Government has even granted the separatists the “Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao” (ARMM). The ASG is also part organized crime, and sometimes it is hard to tell the difference.
- Germany - You must be talking about the ‘86 disco bombing; two weeks before the attack, 35 Libyan sailors were killed in a Naval skirmish in Libyan waters with the US Navy; the bombing was retribution against US servicemembers.
- England - the 51st State; Al-Qaida uses the same arguments to attack them that they use to attack us.
No, we fight because we are free men who don’t sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.
So, bin laden explicitly states that they are NOT freedom haters, but attack because of our policies.
Spain, Indonesia, Bali, India, Pakistan, Turkey, Phillipines, Germany, England, just to name a few
And yes.......you are showing I am speaking to an ignorant moron.
Why do you insist our enemies are 10 feet tall? They don’t think we hate their tyranny because we support the regimes in Saudi, Jordan, and Egypt, all the while turning a blind eye to Syria.
Here at FR, we are very big on taking the arabs at their word that they want to kill us. But when it comes to "why", we assume that they are lying. Or something like that.
Well, they do practice lying as part of their religio-fanatical-governmental oppressive idealogy of Islam. I know that. But, in this case, they're definitely not lying.
And that's not even addressing the issue that they definitely want to take over the entire world. And they're not even joking about that one. So, I find no reason to disbelieve what is written in black and white in what they consider to be their sacred scriptures from Mohammed (PBUH - PissBeUponHim)...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Are you really this dumb?
We take them at their word when they say they want to kill us because of little things like 9/11. When they rattle off their reasons, they include things like world poverty, global warming, and a whole laundry list of grievances ripped off from the Communists. Communists and fascists who slaughter their opponents don't say they're doing it to maintain their perks and power, they claim to be doing it for the good of the nation. Jihadists will say whatever helps them raise funds or appeal to public opinion.
I don't really care if they see me as sub-human.
I see them as a follower of a false prophet, followers of a religion spread by the sword. But so what?
I doubt they have the ability to install sharia law in most muslim states, not to mention non-muslims states.
Actually, all I ever hear is that we are messing around in the middle east. Reading this initial post, there is no mention of anything other than that.
Yes; it does matter WHY they do things. It does not matter whether an opponent is evil or not; the Nazis were evil, and it definitely mattered WHY they did things.
I’d like to thank Ron Paul for linking Al Queda and Iraq.
The oil claim is BS. Oil is a fungible market; if they sell it to anybody, they sell it to everybody. If oil goes above $80 - $100 a barrel, oil shale and US wells become profitable.
Look, you don't need to get all nasty. You said "ALL", when I challenged you on that, you could have just said that was an exageration. The fact is, you were wrong, and like a person with zero integrity, you have responded by attacking me personally for pointing out that you were wrong.
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