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Giuliani's words have hollow ring - Presidential hopeful keeps flip-flopping
National Post - Canada ^ | Wednesday, May 16, 2007 | Steven Edwards

Posted on 05/16/2007 6:11:22 AM PDT by GMMAC

Giuliani's words have hollow ring
Presidential hopeful keeps flip-flopping

Steven Edwards, National Post
Published: Wednesday, May 16, 2007


With flip-flopping a sure way to ensure rejection at the polls, what's a presidential candidate to do when his political record clashes with the bedrock beliefs of the party he seeks to represent?

Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, is taking on the Republican rank-and-file when he asks them to nominate him despite his refusal to renounce his support for abortion.

He claims this shows he has the courage to state his views frankly, regardless of their popularity.

It's a strategy rooted in the premise that people are tired of nuanced answers from politicians and prefer a straight shooter -- even if they don't entirely agree with him.

In fact, Giuliani is showing less steel than if he had simply declared himself against abortion in line with essential Republican party thinking.

Like many abortion supporters, he reconciles the fact that it involves eliminating a life by saying that while he is opposed to abortion personally, he believes in a woman's right to it as a family planning option.

Of course, it all comes down to weighing the right to life of an unborn child against the right of a woman to make choices about her body.

For abortion supporters, the less developed the life in the womb, the easier it is to deny it rights that override the mother's.

Until ultrasound imaging shows a clear human form, it's easy to forget that something more than cellular fusion has taken place.

By saying he is "personally" against abortion, Giuliani clearly accepts the argument that life begins at conception. He must also believe the extension of that argument -- that the fetus at this stage has the same right to life as any human.

Giuliani is therefore being disingenuous when he recently asked Republicans to "respect" him for "telling? the truth."

If he were truly honest about where he stands, he would admit he seeks a free pass on the abortion issue so that he can pander to abortion supporters.

His message not only falls short of the truth-- which would reflect his convictions -- it contradicts the line promoted by both him and his supporters that his position on abortion is clear and free of variation.

He's on record as saying abortion is an "issue of conscience" and a decision to have one is a matter of "personal choice."

But he has also shown he's indifferent to the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling that legalized abortion in the United States.

"It would be OK to repeal," he said during the first debate between Republican hopefuls.

"It would be OK if a strict constructionist judge viewed it as precedent," he added, using a conservative-friendly adjective that describes judges who feel obliged to uphold only the specified rights in the U.S. Constitution.

Such wavering is inconsistent with the principles Giuliani champions in his book Leadership, a central one being strong self-definition.

And how can he claim to be adhering to the truth when, in his mind, there are several versions of it on this issue?

Giuliani's brand of Republicanism -- conservative on fiscal and security matters but socially liberal -- was always going to be problematic nationally, though it earned him the maximum two terms as mayor in Democraticleaning New York.

As campaigning continues, he will face increasing questions from the Republican right over his liberal stances on several other issues, such as gay rights and gun control.

There's also his tumultuous domestic life.

He's married to his third wife, and has a difficult relationship with his two children, reportedly because of their dislike for their current stepmother, also in her third marriage.

Opponents of all political stripes will attack him over his former close association with his last police commissioner, Bernard Kerik, who last year pleaded guilty to misdemeanour ethics violations.

Giuliani's bid to take on the Republican party over abortion rights contrasts with the approach of fellow presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, a Mormon.

While Romney declared himself pro-abortion when running for state senator and later governor in heavily Democratic Massachusetts, he has now flipped back to his earlier antiabortion position.

While Giuliani's wavering is far from Romney's credibilitydeficient about-turns, his claim that his determination to stick to his convictions makes him a strong leader rings hollow.

© National Post 2007


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cino; elections; gop2008; righttolife; rudygiuliani
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1 posted on 05/16/2007 6:11:27 AM PDT by GMMAC
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To: GMMAC; Liz; indylindy

Rudy is spinning so fast, we could put a coil around him and generate enough electricity to run New York City.


2 posted on 05/16/2007 6:13:24 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

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3 posted on 05/16/2007 6:13:24 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: TommyDale
Odd thing about Rudy. He is too conserative for liberals and too liberal for conservatives.
4 posted on 05/16/2007 6:16:58 AM PDT by AngieGOP (I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: GMMAC
Rudy's Moral Compass:
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5 posted on 05/16/2007 6:17:56 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: AngieGOP; Liz; indylindy
"Odd thing about Rudy. He is too conserative for liberals and too liberal for conservatives."

With Bloomberg looming on the horizon as a third party candidate, I wonder who would actually carry New York between Hillary, Rudy, and Bloomberg? Toss in Ralph Nader and possibly Al Gore as well, they may run as alternate party candidates as well. The funny thing is that no other states would care!

6 posted on 05/16/2007 6:20:03 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: GMMAC

Abortion - Abortion - Abortion.....

Every 4 years - the GOP corners itself while the world explodes around us.

While rightly noble in it’s cause - the pro-life movement must allow itself some perspective.

I just cannot fathom why we focus so much attention (every 4 years) on abortion.

Why is this issue not pursued with the same urgency 24/7/365 at the state and local level like it is with our Presidential elections. I rarely see abortion as the #1 issue for local and state officials - and that’s where it should be driven home.

Also - does anyone notice that GOP men seem more engaged on this issue than GOP woman? Seems that way to me.


7 posted on 05/16/2007 6:20:55 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Jake The Goose
does anyone notice that GOP men seem more engaged on this issue than GOP woman? Seems that way to me.

must just be the women you hang around. i see absolutely no disparity between the genders with respect to life issues, but then i do run with a pro-life crowd. : )

8 posted on 05/16/2007 6:23:44 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Jake The Goose

“Also - does anyone notice that GOP men seem more engaged on this issue than GOP woman? Seems that way to me.”

Are you saying you have “issues”? :-)


9 posted on 05/16/2007 6:27:43 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: GMMAC
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10 posted on 05/16/2007 6:28:19 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: TommyDale

Ok - that was funny - I will give you credit - nice come back.


11 posted on 05/16/2007 6:31:07 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: mkjessup

Good graphic but rootie’s is much much smaller, if you know what I mean.


12 posted on 05/16/2007 6:31:31 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhymes, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: Jake The Goose

Glad you appreciated the humor. :-)


13 posted on 05/16/2007 6:32:33 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: Jake The Goose
Abortion is the issue that won’t go away. That’s because it encapsulates the difference between liberalism and traditional Americanism. It points up what can happen when too much power to shifted to the judiciary, and the removal of many issues from the political arena.It marks a clear divided between the elite in this social, which is 80% liberal and the rest of us, who are 80% nonliberal, whether conservative or libertarian. Libertarians made not care about social issues, but they recongnize that the liberal establishment that has replaced the Protestant establishment is ever bit as determined to use government to make us conform to their morality and its attendent agenda. That means suppression of free speech as well as religion.
14 posted on 05/16/2007 6:32:57 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: TommyDale; indylindy
Rudy is spinning so fast, we could put a coil around him and generate enough electricity to run New York City.

Plus with all that BS he's spewing, at the same time he could fertilize half of the Nation's food crop.

15 posted on 05/16/2007 6:34:13 AM PDT by Liz (Rudy Giuliani: Guinness World Record for Having The Most Positions on Abortion.)
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To: xsmommy

Fair observation.

I just think it’s such a volatile issue.

Just awful -

I have told the story - an in-law of mine had an abortion about 10 years ago - it ripped the family to shreds - and to this day the scars are horrible.

She is wonderful girl and I understood her reasoning at the time - an I understand it today.

But at least once a month the subject comes up inside the family and tears flow.

Horrible

We all ask “what if” - we all look our kids....

You know?

I cannot think of a more tragic issue people (men and woman) have to deal with.


17 posted on 05/16/2007 6:35:55 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: GMMAC
But, but his city was attacked on 911 so elect him president. Please, Rudy One-Note!
18 posted on 05/16/2007 6:36:44 AM PDT by jackieaxe (This one hour pre-flight security screening is brought to you by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)
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To: AmishDude; Liz; indylindy
"Rudy was never my favorite, but when I travel back home to Iowa, I think I’ll give him a second look because his detractors are so shallow, ignorant, juvenile, moronic and truly, truly pathetic."

Sure! I bet you always base your vote on what opponents say against someone, especially when what they say is true and damaging to the candidate. You really root for the underdog, don't you? A regular Rooty rooter.

19 posted on 05/16/2007 6:37:31 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: AmishDude; Liz; indylindy
"Rudy was never my favorite, but when I travel back home to Iowa, I think I’ll give him a second look because his detractors are so shallow, ignorant, juvenile, moronic and truly, truly pathetic."

Sure! I bet you always base your vote on what opponents say against someone, especially when what they say is true and damaging to the candidate. You really root for the underdog, don't you? A regular Rooty rooter.

20 posted on 05/16/2007 6:37:34 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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