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The question after the election disaster of 2008 will be, which betrayal did in the GOP?
May 17, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/17/2007 3:07:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

  1. The war.
  2. Failure to secure the borders.
  3. Amnesty.
  4. McCain-Feingold.
  5. Big government.
  6. Big spending.
  7. Abortion.
  8. Gay marriage/gay agenda.
  9. Gun control.
  10. Failure to protect private property.
  11. Failure to abide by the constitution.
  12. Failure to enforce the law.
  13. Corruption.
  14. Too many RINOs.
  15. Lack of spine.
  16. Loss of testicles.
  17. Failure to run conservative candidates.
  18. Most of the above.
  19. All of the above.
  20. Other.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; amnesty; corruption; elections; gayagenda; illegalaliens; rinos; rkba
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To: Gumdrop

We have no champion of optimism to rally around!!! Everytime we try here in CA, we get hit with the tired tirade from the politically expedient party putch croud that our champion cannot possible “win!” (it’s like drinking from a negativity fire hose!)


141 posted on 05/17/2007 3:55:02 PM PDT by SierraWasp (CA!!! Are you ready to rumble *??? Or are ya just gonna mumble and grumble??? (*aka "Recall"))
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To: NVDave

The pols knew what their base wanted, and the pols flipped voters the finger and said “We know better than you” on issue after issue.

Spot on, and there seems to be no change forthcoming from the Republicans, from Hastert’s covering for Jefferson to the disgraceful cover up of the Mark Foley’s piccadillos we ahve been poorly led at the top.


142 posted on 05/17/2007 3:56:06 PM PDT by padre35 (we are surrounded that simplifies things-Chesty Puller)
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To: Jim Robinson

The question is, will all of that result in the downfall of the Two Party cartel?


143 posted on 05/17/2007 3:56:15 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Steve_Seattle

In other words, the only reason this numbnuts ever got his hands on the office of Chief Executive is because the alternatives (Gore, Kerry) would have been even worse.

Never forget: The lesser of two evils is still an evil.


144 posted on 05/17/2007 3:56:34 PM PDT by jakewashere (politically incorrect and proud of it since 1982)
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To: Jim Robinson

Methinks the Pubbies are being blackmailed from Teddy ‘s and Hillary’s files, which were built from J. Edgar Hoover’s.


145 posted on 05/17/2007 3:57:14 PM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: Strategerist

I wasn’t trying to convince anyone that people care about LOST. That point is conceded. The point is that Bush doesn’t have to promote this bad idea, global tax, lost sovereignty, and yet does. So the betrayals are likely to continue. Heck he didn’t even get his strong anti-globalist UN ambassador John Bolton voted on. Now the globalists are looking for a global warming tax to secure a permanent independent revenue stream.


146 posted on 05/17/2007 3:58:39 PM PDT by kcar (Victory is the best exit strategy.)
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To: SierraWasp; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; AuntB; ElkGroveDan; Carry_Okie; Amerigomag; pissant; ...
"As Rush said this morning... "I've said many times that there's an 80% chance that Hillary will be elected and now with this betrayal and loss of the party's base for 2008, I'm afraid we're doomed!"

I agree with Rush.

If Bush signs anything into law even remotely resembling S.1348, the GOP is toast. Most of the the conservative base has already departed, and those few remaining will view that event as proof positive there is no longer a GOP which shares conservative values. Quite the opposite. I suggest they keep right on pandering to the illegal alien invaders because they are going to need them to replace the conservative base. Of course, the pandering won't work because the latinos will all be crowding into Rat Central (DNC) to register.

147 posted on 05/17/2007 3:59:08 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: jakewashere

In my opinion Bush’s biggest problem - and it seems characteristic of most Republicans - is their unwillingness to fight back when the Democrats utter nonsense. There are dozens and dozens of people in FR who should be writing press releases for Bush, saying what needs to be said, calling the Dems on their lies and distortions and crap. The Plame/Libby affair was a prime example, and the attorney firings is another. Some tough talk, some pointed rebuttle, some simple clarity, early on would have prevented those entire fiascos.


148 posted on 05/17/2007 4:00:19 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Czar

The vast majority of people cast their presidential votes because of vague emotional feelings towards the candidate, not because of specific bills.


149 posted on 05/17/2007 4:01:29 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
With all due respect, you live in Massachusetts, and don’t have much, if any, credibility.

What, since I'm a Republican in an overwhelming Democrat state I don't have any idea what I'm talking about? Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?

150 posted on 05/17/2007 4:03:18 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Strategerist

All of your observations are correct. I have long known that the strict-constructionist is now but a pipe dream. I am of the opinion that our democracy will continue it’s steady decline toward socialism as a result...I am WAY past the mourning period on this. But I DO feel like a putz for voting twice for a man who is going to sign this immigration travesty. I guess I’m saying that I will only vote for true blue conservatives in the future...don’t blame the future GOP’s losses on me although I suspect you will. My political affiliation is Conservative, no longer Republican


151 posted on 05/17/2007 4:04:13 PM PDT by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The failure to treat the threat of Radical Islam is the number one issue to address. The endless quibbling over cultural issues, leaving us vulnerable to attack, is our big threat

I am willing to set aside some of these cultural issues for the moment and focus on the big threat. Many like to quibble

152 posted on 05/17/2007 4:05:16 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: mc6809e
And I suppose Al Gore and John Kerry would have done more to further conservative principles that has George Bush. Only the nominees of the two major political parties have a realistic chance at winning the presidency and those were the choices we had at the time. IMO, the WOT, the ban on partial-birth abortion, and Alito and Roberts are all good things that have been accomplished during the Bush administration. If one of you Freepers who claim to be conservative can sit by and let the Clintons back in the White House just because you are mad at the Republicans, I will never understand it!
153 posted on 05/17/2007 4:06:01 PM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
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To: Czar
The solution:


154 posted on 05/17/2007 4:06:01 PM PDT by pissant
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To: SuziQ
What, since I'm a Republican in an overwhelming Democrat state I don't have any idea what I'm talking about? Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?

I share your predicament being in Maryland(and I even live in a left-wing part of the state, the People's Republic of Greenbelt, which is a nice place overall, but we have a "New Deal Cafe" which makes me want to barf every time I go past it.)

If anything it gives us a BETTER political perspective and insight into the thinking of swing voters, etc.

155 posted on 05/17/2007 4:06:56 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Jim Robinson
If I had to pick right now, before knowing who the nominee is, I'll take:

Failure to secure the borders.
Amnesty.
McCain-Feingold.
Big government.
Big spending.
Failure to protect private property.
Failure to abide by the constitution.
Failure to enforce the law.
Corruption.
Too many RINOs.
Lack of spine.
Loss of testicles.
Failure to run conservative candidates.

And if Rudi shows up as the nominee, add:

Abortion.
Gay marriage/gay agenda.
Gun control.

156 posted on 05/17/2007 4:07:07 PM PDT by steveegg (I am John Doe.)
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To: Jim Robinson

All of the above.


157 posted on 05/17/2007 4:08:28 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: srmorton
If one of you Freepers who claim to be conservative can sit by and let the Clintons back in the White House just because you are mad at the Republicans, I will never understand it!

At this point, I really don't see any qualitative difference between the Clinton Democrats and the Dubya Republicans. It's merely a choice of going to hell in a handbasket or in a limousine - either way we're all f__ked.

158 posted on 05/17/2007 4:08:46 PM PDT by jakewashere (politically incorrect and proud of it since 1982)
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To: mewzilla
This is not about party.

It IS about party, when one party is willing to throw everyone out, and the other stands behind their folks. It sounds very noble to stand for your principles and throw out those with whom you disagree on an issue, but when it comes down to it, allowing the other party, which doesn't agree with ANYTHING you hold important, take the majority of seats in Congress, doesn't seem very smart.

159 posted on 05/17/2007 4:09:02 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

The immigration warriors did not stay home - the blue-collar Reagan Democrats decided that they could vote for either the pro-amnesty party that would hand them a welfare check when their job was offshored/cheap-sourced, or the pro-amnesty party that would leave them hanging when their job was offshored/cheap-sourced. The exit polls showed that the Republican base DID SHOW UP - it was the independents that sat out or voted DIM. Stop repeating this trope.


160 posted on 05/17/2007 4:09:12 PM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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