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Images of fetal development (here is a baby at seven weeks)
priests for life dot org ^ | 5-20-07

Posted on 05/20/2007 9:30:57 AM PDT by doug from upland

GO TO THE SITE FOR MORE PICTURES

Images of Fetal Development

The following images were presented to Fr. Frank Pavone, at the time he was working at the Vatican, by a team of experts from Poland. The experts presented them also to Pope John Paul II.

Priests for Life is grateful to Professor Andrzej Skawina (Collegium Medicum Jagiellonian University, Krakow) and Dr. Antoni Marsinek, MD (Czerwiakowski Gynecological and Obstetrics Hospital, Krakow) for making these images available, and to the Zrodlo Foundation, Wychowawca Department, for the permission to use them.

We encourage pro-life groups and individuals to use these images, keeping in mind the words that pollster Harrison Hickman spoke to the 1989 conference of the National Abortion Rights Action League, "Nothing has been as damaging to our cause as the advances in technology which have allowed pictures of the developing fetus, because people now talk about that fetus in much different terms than they did fifteen years ago. They talk about it as a human being, which is not something that I have an easy answer how to cure."

CAVEAT: I am a commercial real estate broker, writer, and businessman. I have no medical training and don't play a doctor on television. But I am pretty sure that I seeing a developing human baby here.

AT SEVEN WEEKS:



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; humanrights; itsababystupid; plannedparenthood; prenataldevelopment
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1 posted on 05/20/2007 9:30:58 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

DOH === I am seeing, not I seeing....good writing, Doug


2 posted on 05/20/2007 9:31:38 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

My grandchild is at 7 weeks. Thanks. I just sent the photos to my daughter. I’m calling the kid Phoebe, just to make it easier to lift this child up in prayer. Her mother has had two miscarriages.


3 posted on 05/20/2007 9:34:06 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: doug from upland
The basic problem is that Constitutional rights are conferred at birth not conception.

This is a fundamental problem that should be corrected with a Constitutional Amendment.

No court would be able to “interpret” that.

4 posted on 05/20/2007 9:34:57 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: doug from upland

PRayers for the unborn.


5 posted on 05/20/2007 9:38:33 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer (Pray for W.)
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To: doug from upland

I’m sure at 4 weeks, the form is there, also, just smaller than what we see here. God’s creative power is awesome! Great article and pictures.


6 posted on 05/20/2007 9:41:16 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Mercat

Bump


7 posted on 05/20/2007 9:44:10 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: Mercat
I’m calling the kid Phoebe, just to make it easier to lift this child up in prayer.

Maybe you want to call her Faith. Your daughter is carrying faith and believing by faith!
8 posted on 05/20/2007 9:44:16 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Mercat

Prayers for this child to come into the world.


9 posted on 05/20/2007 9:46:19 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Mikey_1962

But rights belong to an individual as a consequence of being human. Of course citizenship is conferred at birth...I’m sure other privileges and rights are worded similarly.

But human rights overide that.


10 posted on 05/20/2007 9:46:52 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Mikey_1962
The basic problem is that Constitutional rights are conferred at birth not conception.

The basic problem is that judges and politicians can't or won't read.

The Preamble, the very foundation of the Constitution, makes it clear that the document's purpose is to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves AND our posterity.

The word "posterity" is not only inclusive of the unborn, but of the as-yet unconceived.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

11 posted on 05/20/2007 9:49:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: doug from upland

I really wish I hadn’t gone to the other pictures at the bottom of that page.

How can anyone NOT call abortion murder?

And how can anyone who calls themself a doctor, mutilate and dismember one of Gods creations and call it “choice”?


12 posted on 05/20/2007 9:50:55 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Mikey_1962
The basic problem is that Constitutional rights are conferred at birth not conception.

Conferred by whom?

13 posted on 05/20/2007 9:52:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mikey_1962
The basic problem is that Constitutional rights are conferred at birth not conception.

Then why is it murder to kill someone's baby in the womb?

14 posted on 05/20/2007 9:52:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: doug from upland

Makes me think of our great grand daughter. She was a 27 week pregnancy. They laid her on a metal table saying she was still born, a few seconds later they heard a ‘squeak’. She was alive and now at the age of 2 1/2 she is a beautiful blue eyed blond with a smile that would melt your heart.


15 posted on 05/20/2007 9:55:41 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Dustbunny

Just WOW. :-)


16 posted on 05/20/2007 9:56:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: EternalVigilance
Conferred by whom?

Our "rights" are not given to us by anyone. They do not exist except in our heads. We choose to respect the rights of others in exchange for others respecting our rights. It is the mental framework of a prosperous society. The most basic right is to be secure in ones property. With out property rights nothing else matters.

17 posted on 05/20/2007 10:03:33 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Dustbunny
Great testimony. Out of the mouth of babes ‘squeak’ - letting the doctors know they are wrong - and she is very much alive!
18 posted on 05/20/2007 10:05:33 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Mark was here
Our "rights" are not given to us by anyone. They do not exist except in our heads.

Amazing how hard folks like you have to work to not see what Thomas Jefferson and the other Founders called "self-evident."

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Our rights to life, liberty and private property are not "conferred" by any man. They are the gift of the One Who made us. That's why they are inalienable.

19 posted on 05/20/2007 10:09:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mark was here
The most basic right is to be secure in ones property. With out property rights nothing else matters.

Wrong. The most basic right is the right to live, for without the right to live, all other rights are meaningless fantasies.

20 posted on 05/20/2007 10:10:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mark was here

Know any dead people with property rights?


21 posted on 05/20/2007 10:12:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Dustbunny

What a wonderful story!


22 posted on 05/20/2007 10:14:50 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Mark was here
It is the mental framework of a prosperous society.

Without reliance upon the Creator, and adherence to his principles, there is no lasting framework of any sort for a prosperous, a free, or a just society. It is the equivilent of building your house on the sand. First storm that arises will sweep it all away forever.

"It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." - George Washington

23 posted on 05/20/2007 10:17:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: EternalVigilance
Wrong. The most basic right is the right to live, for without the right to live, all other rights are meaningless fantasies.

I consider ones life one of ones possessions. Life and Liberty with out ones property is not quite the same.

My point is that "Rights" do not exist in nature. A bunny rabbit has no right to life when a hawk is hungry.

24 posted on 05/20/2007 10:19:16 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Without reliance upon the Creator, and adherence to his principles, there is no lasting framework of any sort for a prosperous, a free, or a just society. It is the equivilent of building your house on the sand. First storm that arises will sweep it all away forever.

Yes we must be a moral people for the framework to survive. This means we must respect the rights of others, simply because it is the proper thing to do, not out of fear of punishment. Punishment is a good backup plan, but it is a loosing battle if people have no moral framework.

25 posted on 05/20/2007 10:24:21 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Mark was here
I consider ones life one of ones possessions. Life and Liberty with out ones property is not quite the same.

You're in for a big shock sooner or later. I can say with 100% certainty that at some future date, you will discover that your life is only on loan. You belong to the One Who made you. (I sincerely hope it is sooner.)

My point is that "Rights" do not exist in nature. A bunny rabbit has no right to life when a hawk is hungry.

Sorry, but we're not animals, and might does not make right. Self-evidently, we were created by God, in His image, and are called to something far higher than mere ravening beasts.

Your statements have more to do with the way of thinking that brought about the Soviet Union than they do with fundamental American principles of government or morality.

26 posted on 05/20/2007 10:27:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: presently no screen name

My grandmother’s first name was Phoebe. I’ve felt close to her lately even though I didn’t know her in this life. Phoebe was also a strong and faithful woman in the New Testiment. I’m not going to be the one naming this child and maybe a Phoebus but bright and shining works for me.


27 posted on 05/20/2007 10:31:47 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Mark was here
Yes we must be a moral people for the framework to survive. This means we must respect the rights of others, simply because it is the proper thing to do, not out of fear of punishment. Punishment is a good backup plan, but it is a loosing battle if people have no moral framework.

Mere fear of punishment is never sufficient to restrain human passions.

Have you never heard of self-government under God? It's the only thing that has ever worked to build a real civilization that actually works...and such self-government is impossible without the God that the Founders of America worshipped and served, and the principles He teaches.

As men move further from God and His principles, human governments rise up to fill the vacuum, with ever-increasing levels of oppression and tyranny.

28 posted on 05/20/2007 10:33:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: EternalVigilance
The concept of rights as we know it developed around the time of Martin Luther and the reformation. Look into the Peasants Revolution that took place in Germany. These events were fresh in the minds of the Founding Fathers. They did not invent the concept of natural rights out of thin air nor interpret them from Bible scriptures alone. These events that influenced the Founding Fathers took place far before the Soviet Union.

The rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness were called inherent to our being, meaning no one gave them to us, meaning no state gave us our rights, they exist as a concept, and people can choose to ignore them if the choose.

29 posted on 05/20/2007 10:49:34 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Dustbunny

Gad!! They couldn’t tell dead from alive?


30 posted on 05/20/2007 10:56:30 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Mark was here

Sorry, Mark, but no godless, communistic, animalistic, ideology is going to produce this kind of society:

Isaiah 58

6 Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of injustice, to undo the thongs of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke?

7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry, and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover them, and not to hide yourself from your own kin?

8 Then your light shall break forth like the dawn, and your healing shall spring up quickly; your vindicator shall go before you, the glory of the LORD shall be your rear guard.

9 Then you shall call, and the LORD will answer; you shall cry for help, and he will say, Here I am. If you remove the yoke from among you, the pointing of the finger, the speaking of evil,

10 if you offer your food to the hungry and satisfy the needs of the afflicted, then your light shall rise in the darkness and your gloom be like the noonday.

11 The LORD will guide you continually, and satisfy your needs in parched places, and make your bones strong; and you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water, whose waters never fail.

12 Your ancient ruins shall be rebuilt; you shall raise up the foundations of many generations; you shall be called the repairer of the breach, the restorer of streets to live in.


31 posted on 05/20/2007 10:58:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mikey_1962
> The basic problem is that Constitutional rights are conferred at birth not conception.

The Constitution does not confer rights -- it is a guarantor of rights that are conferred by God.

32 posted on 05/20/2007 11:01:29 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Mark was here
They did not invent the concept of natural rights out of thin air nor interpret them from Bible scriptures alone.

On August 1, 1776, Samuel Adams stood before a large crowd on the steps of the Philadelphia Statehouse and delivered a speech before the formal signing of the Declaration Of Independence on August 2, 1776. In his speech he stated:

"We have explored the temple of Royalty and found that the idol that we have bowed down to has Eyes which see not, Ears that hear not our Prayers, and a heart like the nether millstone. We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom alone all men ought to be obedient; He reigns in Heaven, and with a propitious Eye beholds His subjects assuming that freedom of thought, and dignity of self direction, which He bestowed upon them. From the rising to the setting Sun, may His Kingdom come."

The close of the Declaration of Independence, which is so often ignored:

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

The constitutions of all fifty states are premised on an appeal to the Creator, the Almighty, the Judeo-Christian God, and an admission that without him we can do nothing.

33 posted on 05/20/2007 11:07:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mercat
My grandmother’s first name was Phoebe

Oh! Then it's the perfect name!. Phoebe was a strong and faithful woman! Know I'm praying for Phoebe, also! No matter what her/his name becomes, she/he is going to be a joy and a blessing. Maybe twins!
34 posted on 05/20/2007 11:12:31 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Mark was here
"Before any man can be considered as a member of Civilized Society, he must first be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe." - James Madison
35 posted on 05/20/2007 11:16:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mark was here
"To grant that there is a supreme intelligence who rules the world and has established laws to regulate the actions of his creatures; and still to assert that man, in a state of nature, may be considered as perfectly free from all restraints of law and government, appears to a common understanding altogether irreconcilable. Good and wise men, in all ages, have embraced a very dissimilar theory. They have supposed that the deity, from the relations we stand in to himself and to each other, has constituted an eternal and immutable law, which is indispensably obligatory upon all mankind, prior to any human institution whatever. This is what is called the law of nature....Upon this law depend the natural rights of mankind." - Alexander Hamilton
36 posted on 05/20/2007 11:18:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mark was here
"The moral precepts delivered in the sacred oracles form a part of the law of nature, are of the same origin and of the same obligation, operating universally and perpetually." - James Wilson (Of the Law of Nature, 1804) Reference: The Works of the Honourable James Wilson, Wilson, ed., vol. 1 (137-138)
37 posted on 05/20/2007 11:19:40 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mark was here
Justice William O. Douglas of the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1961 case of McGowan vs. Maryland:

"The institutions of our society are founded on the belief that there is an authority higher than the authority of the State; that there is a moral law which the State is powerless to alter; that the individual possess rights, conferred by the Creator which government must respect. The Declaration Of Independence stated the now familiar theme: 'We hold these Truths to be self evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.' And the body of the Constitution as well as the Bill of Rights enshrined these principles." (The following year, prayer was removed from schools.)

38 posted on 05/20/2007 11:20:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mark was here
"Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other. The divine law, as discovered by reason and the moral sense, forms an essential part of both." - James Wilson - Reference: The Works of James Wilson, McCloskey, ed., 125.
39 posted on 05/20/2007 11:21:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: NewJerseyJoe; EternalVigilance
Ok, not conferred.

Rights begin at birth. That is why we have the drinking, voting, and all other defined by how many years since birth not conception.

The fact that some States apply a double standard in fetal death is their problem not mine. I would apply all rights at conception.

40 posted on 05/20/2007 11:28:02 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: Mark was here
"This law of nature, being coeval [existing at the same time - ed.] with mankind, and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original." - Sir William Blackstone (

"Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered [permitted] to contradict these." - Sir William Blackstone

"A free people claim their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." - Thomas Jefferson

"[It is] God who gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a Gift of God?" - Thomas Jefferson

God, the One Who made you, and me, and every other human being who ever lived, not the State, is the author of "Rights," according to "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God," regardless of what the ACLU, or you, would lead us to believe.

41 posted on 05/20/2007 11:29:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: Mikey_1962
Rights begin at birth.

Again, I ask, why then is it murder for you to kill a pregnant woman's baby?

42 posted on 05/20/2007 11:30:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: doug from upland

If I could figure out how to do it I would post her pic.


43 posted on 05/20/2007 11:35:23 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Dustbunny

send it to me in an email.... you have FReepmail


44 posted on 05/20/2007 11:36:50 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Mikey_1962
I would apply all rights at conception.

On what basis would make that argument, though? If such a decision is based solely upon your will, it is meaningless and cannot stand for long.

45 posted on 05/20/2007 11:37:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Any politician who supports amnesty is deader politically than Teddy Kennedy's liver...)
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To: bboop

Actually, they think the cold stainless steel table shocked her heart, sort of the way really cold ice water does to someone whose heart has slowed way down.


46 posted on 05/20/2007 11:38:34 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: doug from upland

Our God given rights precede our birth and even our conception:

Psalm 139

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.


47 posted on 05/20/2007 11:41:17 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Jeremiah 1:4-5

The Call of Jeremiah
4 The word of the LORD came to me, saying,

5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew [a] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”


48 posted on 05/20/2007 11:42:27 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: doug from upland

One year old.

49 posted on 05/20/2007 11:46:04 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: EternalVigilance
Sorry, Mark, but no godless, communistic, animalistic, ideology is going to produce this kind of society:

How many times do I have to say we need a moral society? When God brings people to a moral viewpoint it is great. I have no problem with the government reflecting the morality of the people that created it.

People have to bring morality to the table of self government. The government can not force people to be moral, once force comes into play, morals are gone in my opinion. People have to be good and obey the law because they want to.

Your attempted character assassination of what I am saying by linking it to some sort of "godless, communistic, animalistic, ideology" is just a lot of garbage. I was speaking in general terms that were inclusive of the part religion played in the development of our society. How many time can I say it? We need to be moral, and that includes respecting the rights and property of others. We need to realize that rights are merely concepts, rules of the game, and the game can be easily cheated. This is why the Founding Fathers said our rights were inherent, [God was crossed out and replaced with Creator.] and set up limits upon the government to try to prevent the government from ignoring our rights.

Just as people have to find it in their hearts to accept the Lord, they must find it in their hearts to want to live by the rules, to lead a moral life, not because they are forced or bribed to, but simply because they want to.

People doing the right thing simply because the want to, is one of the frameworks of a solid prosperous society, not the only framework.

Abortion is wrong because it does not respect the rights that we share with all people, I am including the little one in the womb as a person. These rights are never conferred upon the little guy, they are just recognized as being there by definition. You know, inherent.

50 posted on 05/20/2007 11:47:12 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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