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Dems to send Bush no-timeline war bill
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/21/07 | David Espo - ap

Posted on 05/21/2007 1:14:27 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - In grudging concessions to President Bush, Democrats intend to draft an Iraq war-funding bill without a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops and shorn of billions of dollars in spending on domestic programs, officials said Monday.

The legislation would include the first federal minimum wage increase in more than a decade, a top priority for the Democrats who took control of Congress in January, the officials added.

While details remain subject to change, the measure is designed to close the books by Friday on a bruising veto fight between Bush and the Democratic-controlled Congress over the war. It would provide funds for military operations in Iraq through Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year.

Democrats in both houses are expected to seek other opportunities to challenge Bush's handling of the unpopular conflict later this year.

Democratic officials stressed the legislation was subject to change. They spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss provisions before a planned presentation to members of the party's rank and file later in the day.

Democrats in Congress have insisted for months they would not give Bush a blank check for his war policies, and officials said the legislation is expected to include political and military goals for the Iraqi government to meet toward establishment of a more democratic society.

Failure to make progress toward the goals could cost the Iraqis some of the reconstruction aid the United States has promised, although it was not clear whether Democrats intended to give Bush power to order the aid to be spent regardless of progress.

Several officials said it was possible that Democrats would attempt to draft a second bill, to include much of the domestic spending that Bush and congressional Republicans have said they oppose.

Either way, Democratic leaders have said they hope to clear a war spending bill through both houses of Congress and send it to Bush's desk by week's end. They added the intention was to avoid a veto.

Bush vetoed one bill this spring after Democrats included a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops in Iraq, and Republicans in the House upheld his rejection of the measure.

The House then passed legislation to provide war funds in two 60-day installments. Bush threatened a veto, and the measure was sidetracked in the Senate in favor of a non-controversial bill that merely pledged to give the troops the resources they need.

That set the stage for the current House-Senate negotiations on a measure to send to Bush.


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KEYWORDS: bush; dems; dhimmicrats; timeline; warbill
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To: NormsRevenge
Huge victory for President GWB (and as importantly our troops)....big defeat for the DEMs.....Yet, the tone of this article (and I suspect the MSM) will not act as if such is true.

The MSM will still spin this as not a defeat for the DEMs nor as a victory for GWB.

61 posted on 05/21/2007 2:35:38 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: jveritas
President Bush is the one who suggested bench marks for Iraq long time ago before any one else suggested it and the Iraqi governments agreed on those bench marks. The President did not blink on "No Child Left behind", "Illegal immigration" or "Drug Prescription" for some citizens, he proposed it and he campaigned on it and he won the Presidency twice. Campaign Finance Reform is in my opinion the most overrated "scare tactics" used by our side. The Law of Sea is another overly misunderstood treaty that has been changed to the US favor 10 years ago, but some people on our side are totally hysteric and do not want to get the facts, but just blame the President for everything.

You are exactly right - It is just some fools can't be bothered with facts / nor reality.

62 posted on 05/21/2007 2:37:54 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: NormsRevenge
This just in:

The majority in Congress remains not fully Anti-American.

63 posted on 05/21/2007 2:47:58 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: jveritas; mwl1

JV, you are assuming the Congress will fully fund the Pentagon for 2008, the fiscal year of which starts on October 1, 2007. The democrats can game the appropriations bill in the House for 2008 just like they have and will continue to do so with the supplemental bill for 2007. Again, they will attempt to punt a decision on funding the Iraq war down the road as far as possible so they can use the issue to pound on the Pubbies with an assist from their allies in the DBM, while avoiding painting themselves as the ‘owners’ of the Iraq war. Whether that strategy will work or not depends on the reaction of the voting public as to what the perception of progress on the ground in Iraq is by the end of this year.

The Iraq war will not disappear into oblivion anytime soon. It will be still be going on long after the end of 2008 no matter which party occupies the White House.


64 posted on 05/21/2007 2:50:54 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: NormsRevenge

Time magazine is stunned.


65 posted on 05/21/2007 3:02:21 PM PDT by chopperman
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To: 3AngelaD

They blinked. Blanked. Blunk.


66 posted on 05/21/2007 3:06:37 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: jveritas

I agree. It’s way too soon to be setting our hair on fire and giving up.


67 posted on 05/21/2007 3:24:40 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: 3AngelaD
Did they blink? Or am I missing something?

Yes, they blinked.

I hope all the naysayers on the Free Republic learn something, that the Democrats can be beaten if confronted.

68 posted on 05/21/2007 3:24:55 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Busywhiskers
And I thought Pelosi was incapable of blinking.

LOL!

69 posted on 05/21/2007 3:25:48 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: harmodius
Actually, i think it’s a bit more cynical than that. The Dems don’t want to actually impact anything in Iraq. That would make them responsible for the results. Granted, the majority of Americans appear to want the war over. However, let’s say them Dems cut off funding, Bush brings the troops back home, and a massive civil war breaks out in Iraq drawing in Turkey, Syria, Iran, etc. (the likely result of removing troops now) Hundreds of thousands dead, massive ethnic cleansing, not to mention possible terrorist strikes on the U.S. If that occurs, what will the American public think of the Dems move to pull the troops out? They will likely view them as incompetent and that will impact the results of the 2008 election.

The Dems simply want to be seen as opposing an unpopular war, they don’t really want to take responsibility for the alternative.

70 posted on 05/21/2007 3:27:42 PM PDT by deebee1
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To: jveritas
The vast majority of the illegal immigrants will not take the risks described above, but they will be more than happy to just get a working visa where they can work and go back and forth to their country without being deported.

Exactly!

71 posted on 05/21/2007 3:28:09 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: bnelson44; NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Iraq makes plans for quick U.S. pullout
72 posted on 05/21/2007 3:28:32 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: NormsRevenge
The legislation would include the first federal minimum wage increase in more than a decade, a top priority for the Democrats who took control of Congress in January, the officials added.

Is American Samoa included this time?

73 posted on 05/21/2007 3:28:51 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Raycpa
By the time the Bush haters get done, Bush certainly caved.

Sad, but true.

74 posted on 05/21/2007 3:29:09 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: mwl1

Amen to your post!


75 posted on 05/21/2007 3:29:49 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: anyone

Douchebag underground is taking it well...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2854026


76 posted on 05/21/2007 3:34:13 PM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: jveritas
vast majority of the illegal aliens will not take the risks described above

You are right about the fact they will not take the risk to get a green card and eventually citizenship. In fact, the vast majority of them will not wish to take that risk now or at any later date, especially if they have to pay fines and fees. They will continue in their current illegal non-resident status just as they did after the first 'comprehensive immigration reform' bill, the Hart-Celler Immigration Bill which was signed into law by President Johnson in 1965. That bill when signed into law wiped out the quota system that had been in place since 1921, with some modifications that occurred in 1952. Subsequent actions in 1986 substantially increased the level of immigration, by providing amnesty and temporary status to all illegal aliens who had lived in the USA continuosly since before Jan. 1, 1982, plus a separate lenient amnesty for farmworkers. A modification in 1990 to the 1965 act increased the number of legal immigrants to 700,000 and visas by 40%. Here are some familiar names who voted for or against that bill in 1965. For: Sen. Edward Kennedy. He ushered the bill through the Senate. For: Robert Dole (R-KS), (202) 224-6521. Then a Congressman. Against: Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) For: Sen. Albert Gore Sr., the former VP's father For: President Gerald Ford, then a Congressman For: Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-MI) For: Rep. Henry Gonzalez (D-TX) Against: Rep. James Quillen (R-TN) Against: Rep. E. (Kika) de la Garza (D-TX).
77 posted on 05/21/2007 3:41:22 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: 3AngelaD

I’ve got to agree with many of the comments posted here. I do believe that this is a juggling act for the Democrats between Iraq timelines and the juicy, abundant Latino vote that comes upon passing the amnesty bill.

Here’s the thing that the Democrats miss, over and over and over again:

It’s better to go down in flames and LOSE while fighting for something you truly believe in than it is to sell yourself out for the quick win.

All of the Democratic chest-thumping over Iraq has been a sham. They’ve been playing to their own base. They want power, plain and simple. The only problem is that once they get past their tough talk, they have nothing, other than a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage stance. In my circle of acquaintance, that’s two strikes. So they give up their “highly principled” stand on the Iraq war and hope that 12 million legalized illegal aliens will put Hillary in the White House.

That will happen when pigs fly. The Democrats have nothing except hot air and photo ops.


78 posted on 05/21/2007 3:52:57 PM PDT by BornInASmallTown
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To: NormsRevenge

Democrats in Congress have insisted for months they would not give Bush a blank check for his war policies, and officials said the legislation is expected to include political and military goals for the Iraqi government to meet toward establishment of a more democratic society.

Failure to make progress toward the goals could cost the Iraqis some of the reconstruction aid the United States has promised, although it was not clear whether Democrats intended to give Bush power to order the aid to be spent regardless of progress.

Several officials said it was possible that Democrats would attempt to draft a second bill, to include much of the domestic spending that Bush and congressional Republicans have said they oppose.

Either way, Democratic leaders have said they hope to clear a war spending bill through both houses of Congress and send it to Bush’s desk by week’s end. They added the intention was to avoid a veto.

Bush vetoed one bill this spring after Democrats included a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops in Iraq, and Republicans in the House upheld his rejection of the measure.

The House then passed legislation to provide war funds in two 60-day installments. Bush threatened a veto, and the measure was sidetracked in the Senate in favor of a non-controversial bill that merely pledged to give the troops the resources they need.

That set the stage for the current House-Senate negotiations on a measure to send to Bush.

The Democrats’ attempt to draft war funding legislation occurred after an inconclusive meeting on Friday involving White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten and the Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress.

Democrats criticized the administration for rejecting calls for a troop withdrawal timetable even if Bush has the power to waive it.

For his part, Bolten criticized Democrats for persisting with an approach that had already sparked one veto. He noted the president had already said he was willing to consider legislation that included so-called benchmarks for the Iraqi government.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/4823344.html


79 posted on 05/21/2007 3:56:01 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: jveritas

who do you support for Pres in 08?


80 posted on 05/21/2007 4:00:56 PM PDT by votelife (we need 60 conservative senators)
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