What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again":

The Wichita (KS) Eagle ^ | 23 May 2007 | Mark McCormick

[Rebeleye]

...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.

[Badeye]

‘No worries, I just thought CA had become part of the Confederacy without my knowledge. ;)’

Nope, California is socialism with sunshine.....

[LexBaird]

I disagree, Washington was the most beloved PRESIDENT.

First in war, first in peace, and first in the hearts of his country. But, take comfort. GW was a Virginian, too.

[Badeye]

Hmmmm. I have a higher opinion of Longstreet than you, but everything else I agree with more or less.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Not true. No man in the history of the US was more universally beloved than Washington; and I believe in the whole world’s history.

Lee WAS beloved and great indeed, but partly by virtue of his “side”, perhaps, he has to take a bow to his hero and the his father’s captain.

[the OlLine Rebel]

You realize you are quoting Lee’s father when you use that “first in” speech, you know. ;-)

[carton253]

As uttered by Henry “Lighthorse” Lee - father of Robert E. Lee, who married the great grandaughter of George Washington. Just throwing that in for free.

[carton253]

But Henry Lee said countrymen and not country. That’s for free too.

[LexBaird]

It will go back to the same old arguement. The CW was fought to end slavery,

It was fought for a variety of reasons. The disagreement on these threads is rarely over why it was fought, but rather, why it was begun.

That is a related, but different thing.

[MamaTexan]

I think the pertinent question is “would America be better or worse off now if the South had won the War Between The States?”

Questions composed of pure conjecture serve no purpose.

If the South had won the war (or, Heaven forbid, the Constitution was abided by and the right to leave the compact was acknowledged), perhaps Americans would still be Citizens of one of these united States instead of 'U.S. citizens'.

U.S. v. Anthony 24 Fed. 829 (1873)
"The term resident and citizen of the United States is distinguished from a Citizen of one of the several states, in that the former is a special class of citizen created by Congress."

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The Founders carefully bound the federal power so it could operate in only exclusive and enumerated areas. Under the auspices of freeing the slaves, the Union released those bonds.

"The constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
Patrick Henry

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What's the term FReepers use to refer to those who unknowingly assist others to achieve a hidden agenda?

'Useful idiot', I believe.

[MamaTexan]

That myth has already been debunked. Lincoln didn't particularly care about slavery. It was about preserving the Union.

LOL! I know that, and you know that, but I fear it is a fact some people will never acknowledge.

:-)

[the OlLine Rebel]

Specifically, it was “Lighthorse HARRY”.... ;-)

[carton253]

You are so right. Thank you for that. :>)

[LexBaird]

The problem with looking for “first causes” is that you can always take it back another step. The South fired on Sumter, but the North sent resupply, but the South besieged it, but the North didn’t surrender it, but the South had no legal right to it, but the fort was in a seceded South, but the legality of the secession was in dispute, but....

[LexBaird]

if ah wanna see Viagra, ah'll jes head on up to New York where the Falls pour all of dat water 24 hours a DAY!

No need to trek all that way. I understand they sponsor a NASCAR team. ;^)

[carton253]

I agree... that is why I protest very vigorously both the standard line the South started the war or the other standard line Lincoln started the war. What we witnessed in 1861 was the explosion of the powder keg. The fuse was lit when... when the first slaves were brought to the colonies most likely.

[puroresu]

I would disagree with you on one point. There possibly will come a time when the anti-Confederacy folks here at FreeRepublic denounce Lincoln.

If the left and its PC-Conservative enablers succeed in eradicating every Confederate emblem, name, and memory from civil society, their wrath will then be turned against the Founding Fathers and even against Lincoln. The left is never satisfied with a victory. To them, each victory is simply a springboard to another demand. So if all memory of Dixie is buried, does anyone believe the left will say, “Now that we’ve purged the evil Confederate memories from our midst, we can now all join together as Americans and revere our founders and the Great Emancipator”?

Nope. The left will then direct their hate and vitriol against Washington, Madison, and even Lincoln. We’ll have Jesse Jackson types screaming for Lincoln’s name to be removed from some public school because, after all, he never really wanted to free the slaves. He just wanted to preserve the “racist” United States of America as a union. He even believed blacks were inferior and considered hauling them off and dumping them in a separate colony somewhere. When that happens, the PC-Conservative enablers will immediately do a 180 and will agree that Lincoln was an evil, monstrous human being. Why he was practically a Nazi! He was just as bad as those hideous rebels down South! PC-Cons simply don’t have the nerve or the desire to stand up to bullying leftists when the race card gets played.

[smug]

I thought we were still talking about Davis's book? That's were I was looking for you favorite quotes from.

That is from Davis book. Him quoting Madison, if you want a quote from Davis himself my favorites are---"Sovereigns can't rebel". or perhaps "If the Confederacy falls, there should be written on its tombstone, 'Died of a theory.'"

But, I guess Madison reasoning that the vote for the constitution was by state, and not the people as a whole goes unchallenged. But whom could challenge Madison?

[carton253]

Didn’t you post this same post somewhere else?

[LexBaird]

As I see it, the two situations have absolutely nothing in common with each other.

They have much in common. In both cases, you have large, economic concerns which have based their business model on cheap, easily exploited and acquired labor. In both cases, those concerns are willing to go to huge lengths to maintain that model in the face of evolving moral and legal standards, to the detriment of the local economy. Another iteration of the same thing was the wage slave/company town model of the coal mines.

[mac_truck]

Oh, and learn to take time to spellcheck.

Godwin's corollary, if you can't debate on the merits attack your opponents spelling.