What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again":

The Wichita (KS) Eagle ^ | 23 May 2007 | Mark McCormick

[Ditto]

The tariff on imported cotton finished goods raised the price of such goods to all domestic consumers, lowering the quantity demanded below what it would have been otherwise.

What would have happened to aggregate demand for cotton if all the textile mills in the US had closed?

[LexBaird]

Please point me to the section in the Constitution that states slavery is unconstitutional, as I am unable to find it. The Constitution prior to the civil war, that is.

I'd argue that the 5th A. prohibition against depriving a person "of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" was violated by slavery. Clearly, a person born into slavery, simply due to his paternity, is a deprivation of any due process for a crime. But, the hypocrisy of chattel, generational slaves being both people and property didn't seem to impinge on the Antebellum American mind.

[Jasper]

ALL I CAN DO IS WRITE ABOUT IT
(Ronnie Van Zant, Allen Collins)

Well this life that I've lead has took me everywhere
There ain't no place I ain't never gone
But its kind of like the saying that you heard so many times
Well there just ain't no place like home

Did you ever see a she-gator protect her young
Or a fish in a river swimming free
Did you ever see the beauty of the hills of Carolina
Or the sweetness of the grass in Tennessee

And Lord I can't make any changes
All I can do is write em in a song
I can see the concrete slowly creepin'
Lord take me and mine before that comes

Do you like to see a mountain stream a-flowin'
Do you like to see a youngun with his dog
Did you ever stop to think about, well, the air you're breathin'
Well you better listen to my song

And Lord I can't make any changes
All I can do is write em in a song
I can see the concrete slowly creepin'
Lord take me and mine before that comes

I'm not tryin' to put down no big cities
But the things they write about us is a bore
Well you can take a boy out of ol' Dixieland
But you'll never take ol' Dixie from a boy

And Lord I can't make any changes
All I can do is write em in a song
I can see the concrete slowly creepin'
Lord take me and mine before that comes

Cause I can see the concrete slowly creepin'
Lord take me and mine before that comes

[GOP_Raider]

But what other reason than slavery did the south cecede for?

The Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union might be of some help.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Never mind some of the things I’ve seen crop up on the “preview” bar!

[LexBaird]

Yet another essay which reveals that “States Rights” was simply code for “Expansion of Slavery”.

[BuffaloJack]

Hey Ney. Get over it.
To a great number of Americans the Confederate symbols are heritage not hate. In fact they weren’t associated with racial hatred until the 1960s when the symbology was hijacked by hate groups like the KKK.
My family were confederates from Arkansas. We never owned a slave ever. Didn’t believe in it. But we did give 13 members of the family to the cause.

[Non-Sequitur]

The Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union might be of some help.

You know how many times slaves, slavery, or slave-holding is mentioned in that document? 18. You know how many times tariffs, duties, or taxes are mentioned? 1.

[Axenolith]

... People with to much money and free time on their hands, feeling guilty about it. Always have to be "crusading" against something... Smoking, the South, global warming, etc...

[Badeye]

I doubt it will help, although I appreciate the link.

Its been said many men are more firmly wed to their own ideas than to their spouse.

I’m seeing that in ‘real time’ on this thread.

[frithguild]

Answer “Cause your down here....’ said the young Iraqi man...

Those who will not back victory in Iraq, or see deposing the Hussein regime as an unjustified act, should go back to their cave and email Mr. Bin Laden to tell him we ain't buyin' it.

Copperheads and Democtrats today have alot in common. So I have serious questions about whether that young soldier said he fought "cause you're downn here." It reeks of Copperhead propaganda to me.

What is true then is true now. To say that doing what is necessary will aid the enemy's recruitment is nothing more than providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

[Badeye]

If thats what you believe, you’ll see it no matter what is posted to you, so the question becomes why have you asked for it multiple times, knowing you’ll never be convinced otherwise?

[GOP_Raider]

No problem. Somebody is bound to find it educational. :)

[LexBaird]

Lincoln ran on a very strong pro-tariff platform in 1860.

I already cited both the Republican Tariff plank of 1860, and the Democrat(ick) lack of any mention of tariffs in their platforms. How is this "strong pro-tariff"?: "12. That, while providing revenue for the support of the General Government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country; and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the working men liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence."

Whole Republican Platform of 1860 here. Taken along with the two Dem platforms, it becomes quite clear what the burning issues of the election really were, and why the slaveholding elite triggered the secessions upon Lincoln's election. It wasn't tariffs that had them panicking.

[miliantnutcase]

I thought about that idea too lol. Paint it the general Sherman instead of the Grant and drive it through Georgia... lol NO! I don’t recommend that one!

[Badeye]

Indeed, just not the two who learned everything they know from the public school system concerning the CW.

I appreciated it.

Have a good evening, my absence will be viewed as ‘running away’ as opposed to digging a french drain in the yard.....(chuckle)

[mtnwmn]

Yes, the KKK did fly the Confederate Battle flag but they also flew the American flag.

[riverdawg]

If you are referring to the article by Doug Irwin and Peter Temin in the 2001 JEH, their argument is not relevant to my simple point. They argue that that the tariff on imported finished cotton goods was not needed to protect the Northern textile industry after about 1830 because, as you said, the cotton goods produced by Northern manufacturers were not very close substitutes for British-produced cotton goods. That’s a different argument than mine, which is simply that the tariff on British imports of finished cotton goods reduced the demand for Southern-produced raw cotton. The tariff raised the price of fine cotton goods consumed in the U.S. and that has to have reduced the demand for the specialized input used to produce it. It is merely the “law of demand,” once removed.

[riverdawg]

In 1860 the Democratic Party was hopelessly split, between North and South, much like the Democratic Party in the 1960’s. The party platform may have reflected this split, unable to reconcile competing sectional interests.

[LeoWindhorse]

the Confederacy never ‘died’ ...heck we are just taking a break ;^)