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Does a poor upbringing make you more left wing?
The Telegraph ^ | 5/23/2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 05/25/2007 11:34:56 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

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To: RavenATB
"That, however, doesn’t mean that the study’s findings are crap."

The studies findings are at best subjective. What are the measures? How does the researcher dsfine things. What does the respondant understand about what is being asked?

The data are defective. And the interpretation is , most assuredly, loaded-dice, full of ...crap. Kinda like that 'study' that just came out that states that intellegent, beautuful, superior humans are less likely to believe in God. Crap.

41 posted on 05/26/2007 6:22:26 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: bruinbirdman
According to Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D., author of "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness" liberals aren't fully developed adults. They lack some of the traits that adults demonstrate in their lives. He links the cause to disruptive childhoods, especially between the mother and the child before the age of two.

This is a most informative book. I highly recommend it. In it you learn exactly why Rosie's writer would deface pictures of Elizabeth Hasselbeck.

42 posted on 05/26/2007 6:22:58 AM PDT by Texas Jack
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To: bruinbirdman
[.. Does a poor upbringing make you more left wing? ..]

NAH!.. graduating from an Ivy League College will though..
America has been creating Moonbat left wingers for decades.. at an advanced rate..

43 posted on 05/26/2007 6:26:29 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: bruinbirdman

[Liberals are] skeptical of, or cynical about familiar and traditional ideology; open to new experiences; individualistic and uncompromising, pursuing a place in the world on personal terms; private; disobedient, even rebellious rule-breakers; sensation seekers and pleasure seekers, including in the frequency and diversity of sexual experiences; socially and economically egalitarian; and risk prone; furthermore, they value diversity, imagination, intellectualism, logic, and scientific progress.

The exact pattern of behavior exhibited by criminals and losers.  They value imagination because they live in a fantasy world, intellectualism & logic because they don't have it, and scientific progress because they are looking for quick fixes for their problems.
44 posted on 05/26/2007 6:33:52 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice.)
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To: dasboot

God bless your mom, dasboot. My mom kept the five of us together and it hurt her to go on welfare too. She found a good paying job after dad left, but she worked until midnight and the babysitter would go home early. I was 11. My little brother was 1. Welfare found out we were alone after hours and threatened to take away us kids. Mom had no choice but to stay home. She hated welfare. She was ashamed. When we were old enough, she immediately got a job in housekeeping at the local university. She did all she could to keep us together, fed and clothed. She died just this past Tuesday. My husband and I gave her the most comfortable life we could and she died at home.

We were lucky to have loving, good moms dasboot. You know if she could, your mom would do it all again for you and your siblings. They would do it all over again if they had to - because they loved us that much.


45 posted on 05/26/2007 7:27:45 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: bruinbirdman

Self made people are much more likely to be conservative.


46 posted on 05/26/2007 7:37:15 AM PDT by weezel
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To: Wilhelm Tell
Every few years a psychological study comes out that says that the Marxists and Stalinists are original, sophisticated, tolerant free-thinkers while conservatives who believe in personal freedom and appreciate the complexity of a market economy are simple-minded authoritarians. Yawn.

You just reminded me of something I erased from my memory. Many years ago when I attended the Kremlin on the Charles one piece of required reading for one of my courses was "The Authoritarian Personality". Your description fit that book perfectly. It was a total waste of good forest to print that p.o.s. tome.


47 posted on 05/26/2007 7:46:17 AM PDT by cgbg (A cigar a day keeps the liberals away.)
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To: bruinbirdman

I grew up poor. The fact that my mom and Dad did everthing they could to provide for us WITHOUT any .gov help made me a conservative. My parents were wonderful. If LBJ had been around earlier it would have ended up a sad story.


48 posted on 05/26/2007 8:44:51 AM PDT by therut
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To: bruinbirdman

SELF-Reliance and LIBERAL do not go together.


49 posted on 05/26/2007 8:46:35 AM PDT by therut
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The differences between left and right were detailed by an earlier study of 23,000 people in 12 countries. “Conservatives, in comparison to liberals, are risk averse and prefer social inequality, traditionally established and familiar in-group values, and familial allegiance,” they say.

“Liberals are risk prone, are open to new views and ways, value equality and out-group relations, and exhibit high independence and self-reliance.”

I say BALONEY!


50 posted on 05/26/2007 8:47:55 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: dasboot
“The studies findings are at best subjective. What are the measures? How does the researcher dsfine things. What does the respondant understand about what is being asked?

The data are defective.”

You say the studies are defective, right after you admitted you don’t even know the methodology.

What’s “crap” is you condemning the study as defective while admitting you don’t know ‘chit’ about how it was structured and conducted.

51 posted on 05/26/2007 8:48:31 AM PDT by RavenATB
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i don’t think so... i had an excellent upbringing... and my parents—who have been married 61 years so far—taught all seven of us to be self-reliant... no relying on charity and such... but we had liberal views... it was more like, we don’t government handouts, but others who are worse off might need the help...


52 posted on 05/26/2007 8:52:31 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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Does a poor upbringing make you more left wing?

A "poor upbringing" - Yes.

Having been brought up poor - No.

53 posted on 05/26/2007 8:52:39 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: bruinbirdman

I’d say there’s some truth to this article. I had a horrible childhood and was a lib for a long time as a result. Finally the sheer obvious dreadfulness of Bill Clinton pushed me into being a conservative. Plus living in an extremely liberal area and seeing the results of liberal policies woke me up. Now I am as conservative as they come. I think I am the proverbial “liberal who got mugged.”


54 posted on 05/26/2007 8:53:05 AM PDT by Nea Wood (I'm not a bad Christian because I refuse to join you in giving other people's stuff away.)
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To: bruinbirdman

All you have to do is look at the attitudes of the leading liberals in Congress - Reid, Pelosi, Clinton, Kennedy, et al. Their attitude is that you and I are too stupid to make it without them. And that they need to spend almost $10,000 per person at the Federal level to create the Utopia we all apparently need. And the more they spend on the unwashed masses, the better they themselves feel. So dependence - not independence - is actually the bulwark of liberalism.


55 posted on 05/26/2007 8:56:18 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - there are countless observable hints that God exists)
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To: DB
Lefties look to government to solve their problems.

Underclass socialists want socialism so they will be able to loot the middle class

Affluent socialists want socialism because they are arrogant enough to think they will be part of the planning class

The "educated" university segment is attracted to big-government because they are articulate, and a big-government, socialist environment is where very articulate people can attain power

56 posted on 05/26/2007 8:58:36 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI">Open Season</a> rocks)
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To: cgbg

Yeah, it is funny how the leftists fundamentally do not tolerate dissent and they have very rigid and authoritarian ideas about a lot of things but they are held up as an example of how to be tolerant and free-thinking.


57 posted on 05/26/2007 1:19:17 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: bruinbirdman

I think any child is ‘poor’ if they are not brought up with good character and respect of stability in the world. Those that are brought up to challenge every authority end up being pretty miserable people as the whole world really is out to get them.


58 posted on 05/26/2007 1:22:25 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (argumentum a silentio)
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To: RavenATB

So you think human behavioral psychology is a sciance? LOL


59 posted on 05/26/2007 2:21:01 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot
“So you think human behavioral psychology is a sciance? LOL”

The joke is for you to say in one sentence that the study is crap, and in the next sentence that you know nothing about the methodology of the study.

"sciance"...spele cheak is ur frend. LOL!

60 posted on 05/26/2007 6:33:56 PM PDT by RavenATB
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